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« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2013, 03:16:30 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.
However, I am open to hear new explanations of such phenomena which would tell me something I have not already heard.

Pictures of Earth taken from space?
If they portray the earth as spherical, then they likely have either been fabricated by a computer or run through a fish lens to curve the image.

What about this picture?



You claimed this was the original, yet you can still see the curvature of the earth in the background.
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« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2013, 03:21:10 PM »

you can still see the curvature of the earth in the background.
I would disagree. 
To argue the point further along that line is where the fruitless discussion come in.
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« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2013, 03:55:16 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.

The moon? Time zones? Seasons?

Do you think that the Sun rises and sets at the same time for people in the East and West or North and South? Cuz then it must also be 'round midnight in America as I am writing this...
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« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2013, 03:57:34 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.

The moon? Time zones? Seasons?

Do you think that the Sun rises and sets at the same time for people in the East and West or North and South? Cuz' then it must also be night in America as I am writing this...

It's 16:07 here in D.C. and it's still light outside.
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« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2013, 03:58:04 PM »

Not sure if I follow the map here. Wanna explain it for me?

Edit: Here's a full resolution version of the first map.
the lightened area on the modern map is the land in the Roman map.

The trifoil shaped island, labeled "Insula Dorrados," to the left of the middle of the bottom of the Roman map is Socotra, near Ethiopia.

This might make it clearer how it arranges the world, at the bottom.


Ah ok, I'm also starting to make out some more features. I see the Ganges and the Indus rivers mentioned. I also see an Abyoscinia up on the top, is that supposed to be Abyssinia?
No, it's the name of a people, Abyos Cythae
http://www.cambridge.org/us/talbert/talbertdatabase/TPPlace3259.html
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« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2013, 03:58:12 PM »

I would love for a mod to take the time to remove this flat earth stuff out of this thread whenever. There are two very different and very interesting conversations going on here that I know nothing about.

Except I think the earth is not flat. But maybe everything I know about it is a lie. Geography is one of my many short suits (though I don't think you can have more than four of them, I have managed to do so).
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« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2013, 04:00:53 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.

The moon? Time zones? Seasons?

Do you think that the Sun rises and sets at the same time for people in the East and West or North and South? Cuz then it must also be 'round midnight in America as I am writing this...
LOL. I remember when I traveled in Europe, I always kept my watch on Chicago time, and I would always get puzzled looks when a local would ask to see the time (one Czech was down right perplexed looking up at the sky, around, and at my watch.  This was back during communism, and no one had any experience but with one time zone).

By the way, it is just past noon around here. Not midnight.
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« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2013, 04:01:20 PM »

Seasons?
It seems to me that the diametre of the sun's orbit varies at different times of the year.
More specifically, it is shortest on 24 June and longest on 25 Decembre
- the birthdays of Saint John the Forerunner and the Lord Jesus Christ, respectively.
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« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2013, 04:01:43 PM »

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« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2013, 04:03:34 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.
Not to pick at your beliefs, but you do realize that not everyone has that luxury (aviators, for instance), no?
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What in God's Green Earth did I just read?
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« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2013, 04:04:50 PM »

Seasons?
It seems to me that the diametre of the sun's orbit varies at different times of the year.
More specifically, it is shortest on 24 June and longest on 25 Decembre
- the birthdays of Saint John the Forerunner and the Lord Jesus Christ, respectively.
So along with a flat earth, you believe in a geocentric one as well?
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« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2013, 04:08:14 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.
Not to pick at your beliefs, but you do realize that not everyone has that luxury (aviators, for instance), no?

FYI, the full quote is:
What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.
However, I am open to hear new explanations of such phenomena which would tell me something I have not already heard.

Furthermore, I was a US Navy submarine helmsman and lookout myself. 
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« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2013, 04:09:04 PM »

Seasons?
It seems to me that the diametre of the sun's orbit varies at different times of the year.
More specifically, it is shortest on 24 June and longest on 25 Decembre
- the birthdays of Saint John the Forerunner and the Lord Jesus Christ, respectively.

Hmm. I'm not sure how that explains why around the winter solstice people in the Northern "hemisphere" have the longest night of the year and the shortest day, while those in the Southern one experience the opposite. Or why the latter celebrate the Nativity of Our Lord in the middle of summer... Maybe because they are ana-podoi?
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« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2013, 04:12:36 PM »

So along with a flat earth, you believe in a geocentric one as well?

I have never thought of them as different.

Geocentric means that the earth is at the centre.  
A middle earth located between heaven above and hell below is geocentric.
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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2013, 04:19:06 PM »

Seasons?
It seems to me that the diametre of the sun's orbit varies at different times of the year.
More specifically, it is shortest on 24 June and longest on 25 Decembre
- the birthdays of Saint John the Forerunner and the Lord Jesus Christ, respectively.

Hmm. I'm not sure how that explains why around the winter solstice people in the Northern "hemisphere" have the longest night of the year and the shortest day, while those in the Southern one experience the opposite. Or why the latter celebrate the Nativity of Our Lord in the middle of summer...

The sun itself is only a few miles in diametre and located a few hundred miles above the surface of the earth.

On 25 December, as the sun orbits the arctic mountain it traverses a course roughly contiguous with the tropic of Cancer.  
During the next six months, its orbit gradually broadens until its course is roughly contiguous with the Tropic of Capricorn by 24 June.
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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2013, 04:28:26 PM »

Seasons?
It seems to me that the diametre of the sun's orbit varies at different times of the year.
More specifically, it is shortest on 24 June and longest on 25 Decembre
- the birthdays of Saint John the Forerunner and the Lord Jesus Christ, respectively.

Hmm. I'm not sure how that explains why around the winter solstice people in the Northern "hemisphere" have the longest night of the year and the shortest day, while those in the Southern one experience the opposite. Or why the latter celebrate the Nativity of Our Lord in the middle of summer...

The sun itself is only a few miles in diametre and located a few hundred miles above the surface of the earth.

On 25 December, as the sun orbits the arctic mountain it traverses a course roughly contiguous with the tropic of Cancer.  
During the next six months, its orbit gradually broadens until its course is roughly contiguous with the Tropic of Capricorn by 24 June.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipparchus_on_sizes_and_distances

You cited Hipparchus as a source on this subject. It turns out, he disagrees with you.
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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2013, 04:30:02 PM »

The sun itself is only a few miles in diametre and located a few hundred miles above the surface of the earth.

Is that your rough estimation or did someone else actually measure those distances? If the latter, how?

On 25 December, as the sun orbits the arctic mountain it traverses a course roughly contiguous with the tropic of Cancer. 

During the next six months, its orbit gradually broadens until its course is roughly contiguous with the Tropic of Capricorn by 24 June.

If you are right, people who live at the Tropic of Capricorn should never be able to see the Sun above their head around Christmas. Yet they say it's summer in Australia around that time!
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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2013, 04:34:44 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.
Not to pick at your beliefs, but you do realize that not everyone has that luxury (aviators, for instance), no?

I do not follow you. 
Are you saying that aviators are compelled to dwell upon satellite technology at length?
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« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2013, 04:37:30 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.
Not to pick at your beliefs, but you do realize that not everyone has that luxury (aviators, for instance), no?

I do not follow you.  
Are you saying that aviators are compelled to dwell upon satellite technology at length?

They must adjust their watches, in order to reach their destinations on time.
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« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2013, 04:38:00 PM »

If you are right, people who live at the Tropic of Capricorn should never be able to see the Sun above their head around Christmas.

You do not understand.  I say the sun is on the move completing a full orbit once per day.  
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If you are right, people who live at the Tropic of Capricorn should never be able to see the Sun above their head around Christmas.

You do not understand.  I say the sun is on the move completing a full orbit once per day.  

A full orbit around what? The Arctic mountain? Or does it go to hell at night?
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« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2013, 04:42:03 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.  Nor am I obliged to do so.
Not to pick at your beliefs, but you do realize that not everyone has that luxury (aviators, for instance), no?

I do not follow you.  
Are you saying that aviators are compelled to dwell upon satellite technology at length?

Not necessarily, but they do have to 'dwell' upon the curvature of the earth when it comes to planning flight paths and ensuring that they have enough fuel.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_planning

See also:
http://www.greatcirclemapper.net/
and compare the great circle paths to flight paths found here: http://flightaware.com/
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« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2013, 04:43:37 PM »

You cited Hipparchus as a source on this subject. It turns out, he disagrees with you.
Care to be more specific?

Did he not teach the epicycles which I attributed to him?
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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2013, 04:46:32 PM »

You do not understand.  I say the sun is on the move completing a full orbit once per day.
A full orbit around what? The Arctic mountain?
Yes.  The sun orbits the arctic mountain just like the drawing in Cosmas's manuscript.

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« Reply #71 on: April 25, 2013, 04:47:48 PM »

they do have to 'dwell' upon the curvature of the earth when it comes to planning flight paths and ensuring that they have enough fuel.
Evidence for this?
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« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2013, 04:47:55 PM »

I think most folks are missing the real point here . . .
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« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2013, 04:49:52 PM »

I think most folks are missing the real point here . . .

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You do not understand.  I say the sun is on the move completing a full orbit once per day.
A full orbit around what? The Arctic mountain?
Yes.  The sun orbits the arctic mountain just like the drawing in Cosmas's manuscript.

Aha. - so then America is on one side of the Arctic mountain, and Europe is on the other? This should account for it being day there and night over here... But I still don't get why it should be summer in Australia around Christmas. Australia = the Antipodes?

Or is the Arctic mountain at the northernmost end of the Earth and there is nothing behind it?
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« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2013, 05:04:31 PM »

I think most folks are missing the real point here . . .

A lesson in ancient geography and astronomy.  Smiley

We're done with Ethiopia and India and we're discussing the Arctic mountain and the Sun's orbit around it.
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I think most folks are missing the real point here . . .

A lesson in ancient geography and astronomy.  Smiley

We're done with Ethiopia and India and we're discussing the Arctic mountain and the Sun's orbit around it.

On seasonal change:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za26.htm
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« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2013, 05:32:26 PM »

The Aethiopian Bible includes the Book of Enoch which decribes a flat earth cosmos. 
Although the original is undoubtedly by the antediluvian prophet Enoch of the Book of Genesis, this book has had interpolations which is why the Synod of Laodicea forbade its inclusion in the Biblical Canon in A.D. 364. 
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« Reply #78 on: April 25, 2013, 05:36:52 PM »

You cited Hipparchus as a source on this subject. It turns out, he disagrees with you.
Care to be more specific?

Did he not teach the epicycles which I attributed to him?

Yes, and he also taught that the Earth was spherical and that the Sun was between 490 and 2490 earth radia away (roughly 2-10 Million miles if you give the earth radius to be roughly 4000 miles).
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« Reply #79 on: April 25, 2013, 05:38:40 PM »

I know primarily of two flat earth models although it is common to every ancient tradition:
1) nineteenth century model of Samuel Rowbotham

2) early Christian model
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they do have to 'dwell' upon the curvature of the earth when it comes to planning flight paths and ensuring that they have enough fuel.
Evidence for this?

Compare the flight plans and the great circle paths in the links I gave you above. There's a reason why planes use the great circle path and not the flat earth path.
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I think most folks are missing the real point here . . .

A lesson in ancient geography and astronomy.  Smiley

We're done with Ethiopia and India and we're discussing the Arctic mountain and the Sun's orbit around it.

On seasonal change:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za26.htm

Complicated!  Lips Sealed

But if you climb on top of the Arctic mountain, it all becomes clear as daylight. Or pitch dark. You could even spit on the Sun...
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« Reply #82 on: April 25, 2013, 05:53:32 PM »

You cited Hipparchus as a source on this subject. It turns out, he disagrees with you.

he taught that the Earth was spherical and that the Sun was between 490 and 2490 earth radia away (roughly 2-10 Million miles if you give the earth radius to be roughly 4000 miles).

So what?
Hipparchus can believe whatever he wants, but it has nothing to do with epicycles which is the only reason I mentioned him.  

The Arian heretics were correct in their belief that only God knowns His own essence,
but that does not imply that other things they believed are true.
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« Reply #83 on: April 25, 2013, 05:56:35 PM »

But if you climb on top of the Arctic mountain, it all becomes clear as daylight.

"And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."
- Luke 4:5
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« Reply #84 on: April 25, 2013, 06:06:15 PM »

But if you climb on top of the Arctic mountain, it all becomes clear as daylight.

"And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."
- Luke 4:5

He must have used a panoptical telescope. The fallen angels have yet to teach mortals how to build one.
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But if you climb on top of the Arctic mountain, it all becomes clear as daylight.

"And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."
- Luke 4:5

He must have used a panoptical telescope. The fallen angels have yet to teach mortals how to build one.

I wish you would use the idiom of your fellow countryman who used to post here to refer to such creatures.
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Quote from: Solomon in Proverbs 18:2
A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may express itself.
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« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2013, 06:14:30 PM »

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« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2013, 10:43:47 PM »

What do you think of satellites?
I have not thought about that at length.
... do realize that not everyone has that luxury (aviators, for instance), no?

Are you saying that aviators are compelled to dwell upon satellite technology at length?
Are you saying that professionals do not have the liberty to acknowledge what they know to be the truth?

Chart and compass, sextant and sundial, latitudes and longitudes, plumbline and pendulum, globe or plane?
A letter of remonstrance, respectfully addressed to the officers of the Naval and Mercantile Marine of England and America.

[London, 1887]
http://www.earthnotaglobe.com/library/Chart_&_Compass.pdf
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« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2013, 11:11:12 PM »

... you do realize that not everyone has that luxury (aviators, for instance), no?
We located the following passages about the attitude of aviators towards the shape of the earth from page 8 of a book entitled

'Zetetic Cosmogony'
by Thomas Winship:

Quote from: Thomas Winship
The universal testimony of aeronauts is entirely against the globular assumption, as the following quotations show.

The London Journal of 18th July, 1857, says:
“The chief peculiarity of the view from a balloon at a considerable elevation was the altitude of the horizon, which remained practically on a level with the eye at an elevation of two miles, causing the surface of the earth to appear concave instead of convex, and to recede during the rapid ascent, whilst the horizon and the balloon seemed to be stationary.”

J. Glaisher, F.R.S., in his work, “Travels in the Air,” states:  “On looking over the top of the car, the horizon appeared to be on a level with the eye, and taking a grand view of the whole visible area beneath, I was struck with its great regularity;  all was dwarfed to one plane; it seemed too flat, too even, apparently artificial.”  In his accounts of his ascents in the air, M Camilla Flammarion states:  “The earth appeared as one immense plane richly decorated with ever-varied colors; hills and valleys are all passed over without being able to distinguish any undulation in the immense plane.”

Mr. Elliot, an American aeronaut, says:  “I don’t know that I ever hinted heretofore that the aeronaut may well be the most skeptical man about the rotundity of the earth.  Philosophy forces the truth upon us; but the view of the earth from the elevation of a balloon is that of an immense terrestrial basin, the deeper part of which is directly under one’s feet.-Zetetic Astronomy. Page 37.

In March, 1897, I met M. Victor Emanuel, and asked him to give me an idea of the shape of the earth as seen from a balloon.  He informed me that, instead of the earthdeclining from the view on either side, and the higher part being under the car, as is popularly supposed, it was exact opposite; the lowest part, like a huge basin, being immediately under the car, and the horizon on all sides rising to the level of the eye.  This, he admitted, was exactly what should be the appearance of a plane viewed from a balloon.
It is almost needless to say that a globe would present a totally different appearance, the highest part being directly under the car.
http://books.google.com/books?id=GzkKAAAAIAAJ&oe=UTF-8
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