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« Reply #225 on: April 28, 2013, 08:05:37 PM »

I don't know.  There is a certain logic in the less clothing, the more appealing, but a rapist's mind may not work that way?

Rape is not necessarily about sexual attraction. Rape is about power. To impose one's will on another.

That is why straight men have been found guilty of raping other men.

Blaming the victim is the product of a strange way of thinking. And take domestic violence. Shall we suppose that the Islamic apologists wish to say that they deserved that too?

People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

It's ironic when one poster is here talking about moral attitudes in the west.

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« Reply #226 on: April 28, 2013, 08:10:01 PM »



Can you tell me what methods you used, upon seeing this image, to satisfy your urges?

If you didn't have any, you've argued against yourself.  Wink
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« Reply #227 on: April 28, 2013, 08:18:03 PM »

Rape is not necessarily about sexual attraction. Rape is about power. To impose one's will on another.
Riiiiight Roll Eyes, because a rapist is totally thinking "I can't wait to display my dominance over that girl," rather than "I'm drunk, horny as a rhinoceros, and that girl is hot."

I mean, seriously, I think rape is a horrible crime and, if I was in power, would be punishable by death, but if someone posts on twitter that he is going to be gone for a few weeks, leaves his door unlocked, and puts a bunch of bags right next to the door, then when he gets robbed I think a little bit of blame should belong to him.  

As for men in prison, it has some to do with the rules against masturbation in prison, eventually they will use the little guy as a tool for sexual release and a form of bullying, so yes, it does have some to do with power, however it is also a sick way to get a sexual release.
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« Reply #228 on: April 28, 2013, 08:18:52 PM »



Can you tell me what methods you used, upon seeing this image, to satisfy your urges?

If you didn't have any, you've argued against yourself.  Wink

Huh
Elaborate!
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« Reply #229 on: April 28, 2013, 08:33:13 PM »

Now we have people fantasizing about rape.

Can this thread go lower?
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« Reply #230 on: April 28, 2013, 08:43:17 PM »

A relative of the opposite gender on facebook posted an article which some may find interesting: http://www.yourbestselfdefenseproducts.com/rapists_eyes
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« Reply #231 on: April 28, 2013, 08:54:10 PM »

A relative of the opposite gender on facebook posted an article which some may find interesting: http://www.yourbestselfdefenseproducts.com/rapists_eyes
The article didn't mention anything about using a gun.
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« Reply #232 on: April 28, 2013, 08:57:37 PM »

Rape is not necessarily about sexual attraction. Rape is about power. To impose one's will on another.
Riiiiight, because a rapist is totally thinking "I can't wait to display my dominance over that girl," rather than "I'm drunk, horny as a rhinoceros, and that girl is hot."
Thanks for the example of an appeal to incredulity

Here's some facts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_rape#Power_rapist
As for men in prison, it has some to do with the rules against masturbation in prison, eventually they will use the little guy as a tool for sexual release and a form of bullying, so yes, it does have some to do with power, however it is also a sick way to get a sexual release.

I'm not talking just about men in prison.
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« Reply #233 on: April 28, 2013, 08:58:52 PM »

Elaborate!

It's your contention that she's one who is more likely to be raped. How are you coping with your own terrible desires towards seeing her.

If you don't have any such desires then you're arguing against your own example!
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« Reply #234 on: April 28, 2013, 08:59:45 PM »

Now we have people fantasizing about rape.

Can this thread go lower?

Apologising for Islam's treatment of women?
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« Reply #235 on: April 28, 2013, 09:01:46 PM »

Now we have people fantasizing about rape.

Can this thread go lower?

Gay rape in an abortion clinic?
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« Reply #236 on: April 28, 2013, 09:07:01 PM »

Riiiiight Roll Eyes, because a rapist is totally thinking "I can't wait to display my dominance over that girl," rather than "I'm drunk, horny as a rhinoceros, and that girl is hot."

Depends on the individual. A first-time rape offender may be more likely be because of the latter, but usually a serial rapist is actually due to the former reasons, and it's rooted in psychology--maybe they were sexually disturbed as a child, neglected or picked on by women. They see it as an odd way of attaining "justice" for the hardship they endured. The power, BDSM and violent sexual acts that they do to their victim is seen as the reversal of the hardships that the oppressor endured earlier in life. And I've gathered all this anecdotal, uncited evidence from my own countless hours spent watching ID Discovery  Wink
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« Reply #237 on: April 28, 2013, 09:08:53 PM »

Elaborate!

It's your contention that she's one who is more likely to be raped. How are you coping with your own terrible desires towards seeing her.

If you don't have any such desires then you're arguing against your own example!
What?  You think that I think all men are rapists?
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« Reply #238 on: April 28, 2013, 09:15:09 PM »

A relative of the opposite gender on facebook posted an article which some may find interesting: http://www.yourbestselfdefenseproducts.com/rapists_eyes

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« Reply #239 on: April 28, 2013, 09:19:06 PM »

The majority of rapes are power rapes, this is mostly due to the fact that power rapists are the ones who do it more than once.  Most rapists are just college students who get mad because their girlfriend wouldn't have sex with them and will either look for someone to rape or just force their girlfriend.  Both of them look for the easiest target, and thus will be more likely to rape someone who is piss drunk, alone, and wearing the least amount of clothes.  In other words, what wise Toronto cops call, sluts.

Overall, the best way to stop rapes would be to just arm every girl with a gun, that way we could get rid of rape and rapists.
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« Reply #240 on: April 28, 2013, 09:41:57 PM »

What?  You think that I think all men are rapists?

That's the second post of yours avoiding my question.
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« Reply #241 on: April 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM »

Getting back to the OP, the attraction to Islam lies in lies.

It's very hard to get a critical examination of Islam.

Islam cannot stand the light of proper examination.

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« Reply #242 on: April 28, 2013, 09:50:07 PM »

Some years ago in Nigeria an un-married Moslem woman was raped. She took the man to court but she could not produce three witnesses to convict him.

He was released.

Months later she began to show. Her pregnancy and her un-married status meant she was then arrested for adultery. The evidence was there in her belly.

She faced stoning for this offence.

It was only due to a major international outcry that she was saved.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/20/qanda.islam

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« Reply #243 on: April 28, 2013, 09:50:49 PM »

Now we have people fantasizing about rape.

Can this thread go lower?

Gay rape in an abortion clinic?

Some things are better left unsaid.
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« Reply #244 on: April 28, 2013, 09:58:07 PM »

What?  You think that I think all men are rapists?

That's the second post of yours avoiding my question.
The point of my post was that a woman who looks slutty is more likely to get raped (by a rapist) than a woman who practices modesty.

Your question had to do with my reaction to the image, which was non-existent, I went to google and typed the first female celebrity that popped into my head (Brittney Spears) and posted a picture of her to prove my point.

I am not a rapist, and therefore, did not have a response to the image, other than that it would be better for her to guard her chastity (as it would for us all).
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« Reply #245 on: April 28, 2013, 10:00:49 PM »

Some years ago in Nigeria an un-married Moslem woman was raped. She took the man to court but she could not produce three witnesses to convict him.

He was released.

Months later she began to show. Her pregnancy and her un-married status meant she was then arrested for adultery. The evidence was there in her belly.

She faced stoning for this offence.

It was only due to a major international outcry that she was saved.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/20/qanda.islam

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« Reply #246 on: April 28, 2013, 10:12:35 PM »

What I don't get is how come if I park a nice car in a ghetto neighorbood or flaunt a large wad of cash down a dark alley at night and someone steals my car or robs me of my money, it's my fault for being stupid, but if a woman gets drunk while dressed very scantily amongst questionable untrustworthy people and she gets raped, it makes me the most horrible, filthy misogynist to have ever lived if I even suggest that it it slightly her fault for making stupid choices?
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« Reply #247 on: April 28, 2013, 10:16:11 PM »

What I don't get is how come if I park a nice car in a ghetto neighorbood or flaunt a large wad of cash down a dark alley at night and someone steals my car or robs me of my money, it's my fault for being stupid, but if a woman gets drunk while dressed very scantily amongst questionable untrustworthy people and she gets raped, it makes me the most horrible, filthy misogynist to have ever lived if I even suggest that it it slightly her fault for making stupid choices?
Because feminists don't use logic.
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« Reply #248 on: April 28, 2013, 11:10:07 PM »

I don't know.  There is a certain logic in the less clothing, the more appealing, but a rapist's mind may not work that way?

Rape is not necessarily about sexual attraction. Rape is about power. To impose one's will on another.

That is why straight men have been found guilty of raping other men.

Blaming the victim is the product of a strange way of thinking. And take domestic violence. Shall we suppose that the Islamic apologists wish to say that they deserved that too?

People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

It's ironic when one poster is here talking about moral attitudes in the west.



From what I learned in school, rape seldom if ever has anything to do with the victim as far as the sexual aspect is concerned (even, I would wager, in the case of date rape.) In most cases, it is a crime of hatred (to distinguish it from the new "hate crime), and it has far more to do with the disposition of the rapist which doesn't require a trigger (as if to blame the victim) but an excuse (to put the blame where it belongs squarely on the rapist).
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« Reply #249 on: April 28, 2013, 11:27:08 PM »

The point of my post was that a woman who looks slutty is more likely to get raped (by a rapist) than a woman who practices modesty.
Yes, I'm aware of that.
Your question had to do with my reaction to the image, which was non-existent, I went to google and typed the first female celebrity that popped into my head (Brittney Spears) and posted a picture of her to prove my point.
Then you're a witness against yourself.

Let's assume you're normal.

A normal male

You cite her as an example

Yet you don't have a desire to do what you claim is more likely to happen to her

Therefore you're a witness against your claim!

I too don't have any urge towards her like that. We both don't.
I am not a rapist, and therefore, did not have a response to the image, other than that it would be better for her to guard her chastity (as it would for us all).

So, only a rapist is more like to rape! Okay. Thanks for stating the obvious.

And you're now working on the theory that rapists only go for 'slutty looking women' which I've already evidence against in my assertion that rape is also about power.

Have you got any thing further to add?
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« Reply #250 on: April 28, 2013, 11:29:35 PM »

What I don't get is how come if I park a nice car in a ghetto neighorbood or flaunt a large wad of cash down a dark alley at night and someone steals my car or robs me of my money, it's my fault for being stupid, but if a woman gets drunk while dressed very scantily amongst questionable untrustworthy people and she gets raped, it makes me the most horrible, filthy misogynist to have ever lived if I even suggest that it it slightly her fault for making stupid choices?

Firstly they're different crimes; against property in the first place, against the person in the last. If you left your wallet somewhere it may be perceived by some as having been abandonded, or discarded. Not in all cases.

No one deserves any form of personal assault. In all cases.

Rape occurs in the household too, regardless if a woman is dressed 'slutty' or is drunk.
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« Reply #251 on: April 28, 2013, 11:31:22 PM »

From what I learned in school, rape seldom if ever has anything to do with the victim as far as the sexual aspect is concerned (even, I would wager, in the case of date rape.) In most cases, it is a crime of hatred (to distinguish it from the new "hate crime), and it has far more to do with the disposition of the rapist which doesn't require a trigger (as if to blame the victim) but an excuse (to put the blame where it belongs squarely on the rapist).

You are right. It's nothing about 'deserving' or 'provoking' it.

The responsibility rests solely on the perp, not the victim.

That's why Islam is so skewered; it abrogates a degree of responsibility.

Perhaps we can see from the strange argument here why Islam appeals to some in the west.
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« Reply #252 on: April 28, 2013, 11:34:16 PM »

At any rate I believe you, the West is so seeped in individual "rights", religious intolerance, and feminism that they can't comprehend that a woman or a culture might just actually believe in dressing in  some form of modesty and the way they present them selves in public as to avoid any real temptation or an accessory to another's sinful thoughts.

As for the feminists, just the mere sight of a covering her "adornments" is enough to enrage them, regardless what the covered woman's spiritual motivation might be, their quite sure some "oppression" or sexism is going on. Just like some of the men on this forum.
I believe that this is true. Take for example the situation today of Catholic nuns. There are the conservative nuns, who wear the traditional nuns outfit, but we also have the feminist nuns who are pressing for the ordination of women to the priesthood. The feminist nuns have discarded the traditional nuns clothing and are dressed in ordinary clothing you might see on a middle aged lady.  
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« Reply #253 on: April 29, 2013, 12:30:08 AM »

A relative of the opposite gender on facebook posted an article which some may find interesting: http://www.yourbestselfdefenseproducts.com/rapists_eyes

OK, it just got worse.
What do you mean it got worse?  Here I post an article, which a relative of the Opposite gender posted.  She is trying to help people understand what rapists are thinking.  I tried to post this to help some people understand what to look for, and I got criticised for it.  No good deed ever goes unpunished.
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« Reply #254 on: April 29, 2013, 12:35:50 AM »

A relative of the opposite gender on facebook posted an article which some may find interesting: http://www.yourbestselfdefenseproducts.com/rapists_eyes

OK, it just got worse.
What do you mean it got worse?  Here I post an article, which a relative of the Opposite gender posted.  She is trying to help people understand what rapists are thinking.  I tried to post this to help some people understand what to look for, and I got criticised for it.  No good deed ever goes unpunished.

You can just say a 'woman' or 'female' instead of 'person of the opposite gender' as it's rather clumsy.

(I see this clumsy use of English on COPS all the time, they refer to a man as a 'male person'. Or instead of saying there's three people in a car they say that the car is occupied three times.)
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« Reply #255 on: April 29, 2013, 12:38:36 AM »

At any rate I believe you, the West is so seeped in individual "rights", religious intolerance, and feminism that they can't comprehend that a woman or a culture might just actually believe in dressing in  some form of modesty and the way they present them selves in public as to avoid any real temptation or an accessory to another's sinful thoughts.

As for the feminists, just the mere sight of a covering her "adornments" is enough to enrage them, regardless what the covered woman's spiritual motivation might be, their quite sure some "oppression" or sexism is going on. Just like some of the men on this forum.
I believe that this is true. Take for example the situation today of Catholic nuns. There are the conservative nuns, who wear the traditional nuns outfit, but we also have the feminist nuns who are pressing for the ordination of women to the priesthood. The feminist nuns have discarded the traditional nuns clothing and are dressed in ordinary clothing you might see on a middle aged lady.  

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« Reply #256 on: April 29, 2013, 12:42:13 AM »

A relative of the opposite gender on facebook posted an article which some may find interesting: http://www..com/rapists_eyes

OK, it just got worse.
What do you mean it got worse?  Here I post an article, which a relative of the Opposite gender posted.  She is trying to help people understand what rapists are thinking.  I tried to post this to help some people understand what to look for, and I got criticised for it.  No good deed ever goes unpunished.

You can just say a 'woman' or 'female' instead of 'person of the opposite gender' as it's rather clumsy.

(I see this clumsy use of English on COPS all the time, they refer to a man as a 'male person'. Or instead of saying there's three people in a car they say that the car is occupied three times.)
I could but this is the way I talk at times. That's just the way it is. police
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« Reply #257 on: April 29, 2013, 01:37:15 AM »

I could but this is the way I talk at times. That's just the way it is. police

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I could but this is the way I talk at times. That's just the way it is. police

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« Reply #259 on: April 29, 2013, 01:41:44 AM »

Some years ago in Nigeria an un-married Moslem woman was raped. She took the man to court but she could not produce three witnesses to convict him.

He was released.

Months later she began to show. Her pregnancy and her un-married status meant she was then arrested for adultery. The evidence was there in her belly.

She faced stoning for this offence.

It was only due to a major international outcry that she was saved.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/20/qanda.islam

That's Islam for you.

O sheikh montalban

Can you tell us the verses in the Qur'an that recommends such a severe punishment?
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« Reply #260 on: April 29, 2013, 01:55:07 AM »

At any rate I believe you, the West is so seeped in individual "rights", religious intolerance, and feminism that they can't comprehend that a woman or a culture might just actually believe in dressing in  some form of modesty and the way they present them selves in public as to avoid any real temptation or an accessory to another's sinful thoughts.

As for the feminists, just the mere sight of a covering her "adornments" is enough to enrage them, regardless what the covered woman's spiritual motivation might be, their quite sure some "oppression" or sexism is going on. Just like some of the men on this forum.
I believe that this is true. Take for example the situation today of Catholic nuns. There are the conservative nuns, who wear the traditional nuns outfit, but we also have the feminist nuns who are pressing for the ordination of women to the priesthood. The feminist nuns have discarded the traditional nuns clothing and are dressed in ordinary clothing you might see on a middle aged lady.  

feminist nuns?

Oh yes. The Catholic Church has long been infiltrated by feminists and communists. Many Catholic Nuns don't even shave their legs!

(OK, the first part was serious, the last part was not.)


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« Reply #261 on: April 29, 2013, 02:46:23 AM »

At any rate I believe you, the West is so seeped in individual "rights", religious intolerance, and feminism that they can't comprehend that a woman or a culture might just actually believe in dressing in  some form of modesty and the way they present them selves in public as to avoid any real temptation or an accessory to another's sinful thoughts.

As for the feminists, just the mere sight of a covering her "adornments" is enough to enrage them, regardless what the covered woman's spiritual motivation might be, their quite sure some "oppression" or sexism is going on. Just like some of the men on this forum.
I believe that this is true. Take for example the situation today of Catholic nuns. There are the conservative nuns, who wear the traditional nuns outfit, but we also have the feminist nuns who are pressing for the ordination of women to the priesthood. The feminist nuns have discarded the traditional nuns clothing and are dressed in ordinary clothing you might see on a middle aged lady.  

feminist nuns?

Oh yes. The Catholic Church has long been infiltrated by feminists and communists. Many Catholic Nuns don't even shave their legs!

(OK, the first part was serious, the last part was not.)


Selam
Yes there are feminist nuns.
See:
http://rt.com/news/pope-francis-crackdown-nuns-902/
http://gawker.com/5994687/reform+minded-pope-francis-vows-hell-crack-down-on-feminist-nuns
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/18/pope_francis_reaffirms_vatican_censure_of_radical_feminist_nuns/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/15/us-pope-us-nuns-idUSBRE93E0PP20130415
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« Reply #262 on: April 29, 2013, 03:10:42 AM »

Some years ago in Nigeria an un-married Moslem woman was raped. She took the man to court but she could not produce three witnesses to convict him.

He was released.

Months later she began to show. Her pregnancy and her un-married status meant she was then arrested for adultery. The evidence was there in her belly.

She faced stoning for this offence.

It was only due to a major international outcry that she was saved.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/20/qanda.islam

That's Islam for you.

O sheikh montalban

Can you tell us the verses in the Qur'an that recommends such a severe punishment?

Well every other time I've provided evidence, you've ignored it.

I note here your question is itself loaded; by calling for evidence only from the Koran

Here's wiki:
"Islamic Sharia Law is based on the Quran, the hadith, and the biography of the prophet Muhammad. Shia and Sunni hadith collections differ because scholars from the two traditions differ as to the reliability of the narrators and transmitters and the Imamah. Shi'a sayings related to stoning can be found in Kitab al-Kafi,[9] and Sunni sayings related to stoning can be found in the Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.[10]

Based on these hadiths, in some Muslim countries, such as Afghanistan, Iran, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, married adulterers will get capital punishment, while not-married adulterers will be flogged 100 times.

The Qur'an forbids all sexual intercourse outside the marital bond as sinful, but makes no distinction between them. The punishment is flogging 100 times for those found guilty.[11] Stoning (rajm) as a punishment for adultery is not mentioned in the Quran (though it is mentioned in Hadith[12]), so a few modernist Muslim scholars, like Quran alone Muslim Scholars, take the view that stoning to death is not an Islamic law.[13]

According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Muhammad stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[14]

Because the word used in the Quran, 'zina', is exactly parallel to the Hebrew 'zanah', which strictly refers to fornication and not adultery (which is 'na'aph'), the Quran may not even be speaking of adultery at all. In that case, the point could be made that the command of the Torah on the punishment of adultery, namely, stoning to death, still stands. However, this is not the usual reason that Muslims support stoning for adultery, as most do not hold the Bible to be reliable, and instead derive from the hadiths.

In hadith (sayings)

Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Chapter 6: Stoning to Death of Jews and Other Dhimmis In Cases of Adultery, Number 4216: Jabir b.'Abdullah reported that Allah's Apostle stoned (to death) a person from Banu Aslam, and a Jew and his wife.[15]
Sahih Bukhari 6.79, Narrated by Abdullah ibn Umar
The Jews brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from among them who had committed illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet said to them, "How do you usually punish the one amongst you who has committed illegal sexual intercourse?" They replied, "We blacken their faces with coal and beat them." He said, "Don't you find the order of Ar-Rajm (i.e. stoning to death) in the Torah?" They replied, "We do not find anything in it." 'Abdullah bin Salam (after hearing this conversation) said to them, "You have told a lie! Bring here the Torah and recite it if you are truthful." (So the Jews brought the Torah). And the religious teacher who was teaching it to them, put his hand over the Verse of Ar-Rajm and started reading what was written above and below the place hidden with his hand, but he did not read the Verse of Ar-Rajm. 'Abdullah bin Salam removed his (i.e. the teacher's) hand from the Verse of Ar-Rajm and said, "What is this?" So when the Jews saw that Verse, they said, "This is the Verse of Ar-Rajm." So the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.[16]

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50: Conditions, Number 885: Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid Al-Juhani: A bedouin came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's apostle! I ask you by Allah to judge My case according to Allah's Laws." His opponent, who was more learned than he, said, "Yes, judge between us according to Allah's Laws, and allow me to speak." Allah's Apostle said, "Speak." He (i .e. the bedouin or the other man) said, "My son was working as a laborer for this (man) and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that it was obligatory that my son should be stoned to death, so in lieu of that I ransomed my son by paying one hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious scholars about it, and they informed me that my son must be lashed one hundred lashes, and be exiled for one year, and the wife of this (man) must be stoned to death." Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Laws. The slave-girl and the sheep are to be returned to you, your son is to receive a hundred lashes and be exiled for one year. You, Unais, go to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses her guilt, stone her to death." Unais went to that woman next morning and she confessed. Allah's Apostle ordered that she be stoned to death.[17]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#In_Islam
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« Reply #263 on: April 29, 2013, 03:11:33 AM »

At any rate I believe you, the West is so seeped in individual "rights", religious intolerance, and feminism that they can't comprehend that a woman or a culture might just actually believe in dressing in  some form of modesty and the way they present them selves in public as to avoid any real temptation or an accessory to another's sinful thoughts.

As for the feminists, just the mere sight of a covering her "adornments" is enough to enrage them, regardless what the covered woman's spiritual motivation might be, their quite sure some "oppression" or sexism is going on. Just like some of the men on this forum.
I believe that this is true. Take for example the situation today of Catholic nuns. There are the conservative nuns, who wear the traditional nuns outfit, but we also have the feminist nuns who are pressing for the ordination of women to the priesthood. The feminist nuns have discarded the traditional nuns clothing and are dressed in ordinary clothing you might see on a middle aged lady.  

feminist nuns?

Oh yes. The Catholic Church has long been infiltrated by feminists and communists. Many Catholic Nuns don't even shave their legs!

(OK, the first part was serious, the last part was not.)


Selam

Thanks, and to stanley123 as well.

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« Reply #264 on: April 29, 2013, 03:14:14 AM »

One of the 'attractions' (obviously attracting the wrong type) might be the Shi'a practice of Mu'ta - or, temporary marriage.

Instead of prostitution a man may marry for the night and divorce the woman for a small 'consideration'.
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« Reply #265 on: April 29, 2013, 04:20:29 AM »

Instead of prostitution a man may marry for the night and divorce the woman for a small 'consideration'.

this is not a Shi'a practice

I don't care what salafai/ sunni site you site to validate your flawed opinion....

but large majority of shias don't have this type of practice



secondly, judging by your last few posts

I'm starting too think you are a little to obsessed with lust.

This isn't good for your heart, keep your mind positive and on things that will get you closer to your Lord.
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« Reply #266 on: April 29, 2013, 04:31:21 AM »

The Qur'an forbids all sexual intercourse outside the marital bond as sinful, but makes no distinction between them. The punishment is flogging 100 times for those found guilty.[11] Stoning (rajm) as a punishment for adultery is not mentioned in the Quran (though it is mentioned in Hadith[12]), so a few modernist Muslim scholars, like Quran alone Muslim Scholars, take the view that stoning to death is not an Islamic law.[13]

exactly  Wink
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« Reply #267 on: April 29, 2013, 05:47:20 AM »

Instead of prostitution a man may marry for the night and divorce the woman for a small 'consideration'.

this is not a Shi'a practice

Temporary marriage is Shi'a practice (it's also practice in Islam to be permitted to lie in order to protect one's faith)

The practice of Mu'ta is widely established in Shi'a society

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_marriage#Shia_view
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« Reply #268 on: April 29, 2013, 05:49:48 AM »

The Qur'an forbids all sexual intercourse outside the marital bond as sinful, but makes no distinction between them. The punishment is flogging 100 times for those found guilty.[11]Stoning (rajm) as a punishment for adultery is not mentioned in the Quran (though it is mentioned in Hadith[12]), so a few modernist Muslim scholars, like Quran alone Muslim Scholars, take the view that stoning to death is not an Islamic law.[13]

exactly  

Already noted the set-up nature of your question Wink

However if you want to know about stoning in Shi'a places you should see the film
The Stoning of Soraya M.
(Persian: .سنگسار ثريا م‎)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_Soraya_M.
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« Reply #269 on: April 29, 2013, 07:22:26 AM »

I don't see what the big problem is with Muslim women practicing a form of modesty by wearing hijab ( which is optional in most of Islam from what I've researched), I believe that more "christian" women could learn a thing or two from Moslems about modesty these days, but men in dressses, well that's so progressive and "chic" these days. Roll Eyes

Excepting that it's not just a matter of modesty...
That's whay YOU say......
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