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« on: April 23, 2013, 01:46:08 AM »

I read that rosewater is used during the Good Friday liturgy to sprinkle the congregation. Do all Orthodox traditions do this? Is the rosewater different from the usual holy water (as in a different blessing)? And can I bring a bottle of rosewater to be blessed and use in cooking?
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2013, 01:52:49 AM »

Never heard of that.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2013, 04:27:25 AM »

I read that rosewater is used during the Good Friday liturgy to sprinkle the congregation. Do all Orthodox traditions do this?

They do this in Bulgaria.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2013, 06:23:31 AM »

I read that rosewater is used during the Good Friday liturgy to sprinkle the congregation. Do all Orthodox traditions do this? Is the rosewater different from the usual holy water (as in a different blessing)? And can I bring a bottle of rosewater to be blessed and use in cooking?

Rosewater is used during Good Friday to sprinkle the congregation, it is also sprinkled on the Epitaphios. Icons and holy objects are to be cleaned using rosewater and it is also added to holy water and baptismal water sometimes. This is usually used in churches that follow Hellenic traditions or non-Russian traditions (Greek, Arab, Bulgarian, Serbian, Albanian, Georgian, Cypriot, etc.) all the Oriental Orthodox churches use it in a similar manner. Although rose water is occasionally added to holy water, it is different from holy water which has been sanctified. You couldn't bring a bottle of holy water to blessed for cooking. It may be permissible to add a little rose water to holy water, of course not for cooking (ask your priest).
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2013, 09:29:42 AM »

Never heard of that.

Neither have I.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2013, 09:39:13 AM »


It's a Greek custom, as Cantor Krishnich said. I've never come across it in Russian tradition, but it is definitely something the Greeks do. I well remember one little fellow, no more than four, furrowing his brow and saying to his mom: Why is that silly man wetting us?  Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2013, 09:58:38 AM »


It's a Greek custom, as Cantor Krishnich said. I've never come across it in Russian tradition, but it is definitely something the Greeks do.
It's Arab too, and spreading in the OCA.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2013, 10:13:47 AM »


What is the purpose of the water sprinkling on Holy Friday?
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2013, 10:20:09 AM »


It's a Greek custom, as Cantor Krishnich said. I've never come across it in Russian tradition, but it is definitely something the Greeks do.
It's Arab too, and spreading in the OCA.

Ah, more nibbling at the salad bar of local tradition. As Orthodox parishes expand into new communities and our older ones consolidate, we will see practices which are "New" to me or you. That is natural and organic.What I can't stand is a priest artificially adding something because he "likes" it to the practice of an established community. Without context, such can cause needless anxiety and division.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2013, 10:22:07 AM »

What I can't stand is a priest artificially adding something because he "like it to the practice of an established community. Without context, such can cause needless anxiety and division.

I was thinking about starting a thread about it.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 12:11:25 PM »

The Rose water is used to during the Third Stasis of The Lamentations during the verse that speaks of the Women bringing myrrh to the grave. That verse is repeated over and over again until the entire church has been sprinkled.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2013, 12:43:14 PM »


Nice tradition.
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2013, 12:53:20 PM »


It's a Greek custom, as Cantor Krishnich said. I've never come across it in Russian tradition, but it is definitely something the Greeks do.
It's Arab too, and spreading in the OCA.

Ah, more nibbling at the salad bar of local tradition. As Orthodox parishes expand into new communities and our older ones consolidate, we will see practices which are "New" to me or you. That is natural and organic.What I can't stand is a priest artificially adding something because he "likes" it to the practice of an established community. Without context, such can cause needless anxiety and division.
Didn't Patriarch Nikon try that?
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2013, 01:03:37 PM »

They do that in my parish on Megali Paraskeui every year too.  angel

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It's a Greek custom, as Cantor Krishnich said. I've never come across it in Russian tradition, but it is definitely something the Greeks do.
It's Arab too, and spreading in the OCA.

Ah, more nibbling at the salad bar of local tradition. As Orthodox parishes expand into new communities and our older ones consolidate, we will see practices which are "New" to me or you. That is natural and organic.What I can't stand is a priest artificially adding something because he "likes" it to the practice of an established community. Without context, such can cause needless anxiety and division.
Didn't Patriarch Nikon try that?

As did any number of American priests in any number of jurisdictions over the years!  Wink
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2013, 01:09:47 PM »


Oh, no! Have ye no proper sprinkler? And rose petals thrown like they were laurel leaves for Pascha... Outrage!  laugh  

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2013, 01:14:23 PM »


That's so "unlike" our Holy Friday services.  Our church is kept dark, voices are somber and there are no flowers being thrown.

Interesting.
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2013, 01:23:45 PM »

That's so "unlike" our Holy Friday services.  Our church is kept dark, voices are somber and there are no flowers being thrown.

Too much sobriety for Holy Friday? Latin influence.  Wink



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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2013, 01:26:05 PM »


Ewww....no...we aren't "that" dark.

However, not all the lights are turned on.  The sanctuary remains dimmed, with mostly just candlelight flickering.


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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2013, 02:36:16 PM »

We do this in the Antiochian tradition as well.  The Great Friday services are indeed somber, but if you listen to the hymns, there are hints of the resurrectional joy already being foretold.  "Bright Sadness," as Fr. Alexander Schmemann of blessed memory put it.
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2013, 06:19:32 AM »

I've seen it done well in Greek Churches.  The problem is when people get carried away and damage the plaschanitsa/epitaphios due to too liberal sprinkling/dousing....
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2013, 09:46:55 AM »


Nice tradition.

It seems like the differences in tradition during Holy Week keep accumulating.
So far,
Holy Unction on Holy Wednesday is missing
Rose water on Good Friday is missing
The explosive tossing of laurel leaves on Holy Saturday is missing
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2013, 10:26:03 AM »

Getting sprinkled with holy water at Great Friday Lamentations is a favorite part of the service, and the procession outside singing Holy God, and the anti-phonal chanting, and venerating the burial icon, and receiving a flower from the bier, and more! It's somber yet joyous.
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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2013, 11:10:57 AM »


Nice tradition.

It seems like the differences in tradition during Holy Week keep accumulating.
So far,
Holy Unction on Holy Wednesday is missing
Rose water on Good Friday is missing
The explosive tossing of laurel leaves on Holy Saturday is missing

...are you referring to my church in particular or in a broader sense?
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2013, 11:13:58 AM »


Nice tradition.

It seems like the differences in tradition during Holy Week keep accumulating.
So far,
Holy Unction on Holy Wednesday is missing
Rose water on Good Friday is missing
The explosive tossing of laurel leaves on Holy Saturday is missing

You realize that most of these are local traditions which never spread to other regions right?
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Nice tradition.

It seems like the differences in tradition during Holy Week keep accumulating.
So far,
Holy Unction on Holy Wednesday is missing
Rose water on Good Friday is missing
The explosive tossing of laurel leaves on Holy Saturday is missing

...are you referring to my church in particular or in a broader sense?


You are the only one asking questions or remarking about it (initially) Liza. I am grateful for it, otherwise I would not have known nor would I have thought it possible.
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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2013, 11:17:33 AM »


Nice tradition.

It seems like the differences in tradition during Holy Week keep accumulating.
So far,
Holy Unction on Holy Wednesday is missing
Rose water on Good Friday is missing
The explosive tossing of laurel leaves on Holy Saturday is missing

You realize that most of these are local traditions which never spread to other regions right?

No I didn't.
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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2013, 01:08:16 PM »

Looking at all the little liturgical differences between churches, I find myself liking most of them. Until I joined my current OCA church, I had never been exposed to partaking of bread and wine after taking communion in the middle of the church (served by little girls); Holy Friday flower girls; the horsetail holy water dispenser; the reading by lay women and men of the many Old Testament passages during the Holy Saturday DL; the prayers for travelers and birthday/anniversary/etc. celebrants and singing Many Years to them; the reading aloud of post-communion prayers while the congregation receives the antidoron; agape meals after every Sunday DL and Lent Presanctifieds. When I went to my daughter's church wedding in an Antiochian Church, I attended Great Vespers the night before and was very impressed with a group of six young folks, converts all, who did a great job in chanting in English in a way that made it possible for the congregation to join in.
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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2013, 01:17:56 PM »


Isn't Orthodoxy grand!?!  I just love everything about it!

How anyone can learn about Orthodoxy and not love it, is beyond me.
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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2013, 09:58:06 AM »


Nice tradition.

It seems like the differences in tradition during Holy Week keep accumulating.
So far,
Holy Unction on Holy Wednesday is missing
Rose water on Good Friday is missing
The explosive tossing of laurel leaves on Holy Saturday is missing
I wouldn't say Holy Unction is missing - there are many parishes of the Russian tradition which do it however it is originally a Greek practice.
On the other hand there are practices in the Russian tradition which do not appear in the Greek - such as changing all the Vestments and Hangings from Black to White just before the Gospel is read on Holy Saturday.
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« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2013, 10:42:28 AM »


We, Ukrainians do that, as well.

Tricky part is that it's not the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom...and I have a hard time figuring out WHEN the Gospel will be read....so, I make many false starts to remove the cloths, only to catch myself and move away, and start, and stop.....

I think Father ought to give me a signal this year!  Wink
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« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2013, 10:51:54 AM »


Nice tradition.

It seems like the differences in tradition during Holy Week keep accumulating.
So far,
Holy Unction on Holy Wednesday is missing
Rose water on Good Friday is missing
The explosive tossing of laurel leaves on Holy Saturday is missing
I wouldn't say Holy Unction is missing - there are many parishes of the Russian tradition which do it however it is originally a Greek practice.
On the other hand there are practices in the Russian tradition which do not appear in the Greek - such as changing all the Vestments and Hangings from Black to White just before the Gospel is read on Holy Saturday.

We do that also. That was one of my favorites as a youngster and altar boy...it meant that the Velikden was nearly upon us  and the blessing of the baskets would soon follow!
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« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2013, 10:57:08 AM »


What is the purpose of the water sprinkling on Holy Friday?

The rosewater and myrrh oil used in the Holy Friday services are a liturgical re-enactment of the burial of Christ by the Holy Myrrh-bearers. Rosewater is frequently used for liturgical purposes in the Greek, Arab, Balkan, and Middle Eastern churches.

For example, Slavs welcome bishops with bread, salt, and cloth thingys  Smiley, Greeks and other churches welcome bishops with incense and by washing their hands with rose water.
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« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2013, 07:11:44 PM »

The Rose water is used to during the Third Stasis of The Lamentations during the verse that speaks of the Women bringing myrrh to the grave. That verse is repeated over and over again until the entire church has been sprinkled.

This. My service book is wrinkly and smells beautiful from several years of rose water hitting the same pages. I miss it very much now that I am in a church with roots in Russia.
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« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2013, 05:57:34 AM »


We, Ukrainians do that, as well.

Tricky part is that it's not the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom...and I have a hard time figuring out WHEN the Gospel will be read....so, I make many false starts to remove the cloths, only to catch myself and move away, and start, and stop.....

I think Father ought to give me a signal this year!  Wink

It's when the choir sings "Arise, O God" after the reading of the Apostol.
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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2013, 08:07:44 AM »


Excellent!

So, when the Reader takes his position, I know to get the crew set to go.

Thanks!

I have not Liturgical texts to refer to.  Smiley

Now, if I recall correctly, it's not at all like the Liturgy of St. John.  The Gospel Reading is actually later in the Liturgy.  No?
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Excellent!

So, when the Reader takes his position, I know to get the crew set to go.

Thanks!

I have not Liturgical texts to refer to.  Smiley

Now, if I recall correctly, it's not at all like the Liturgy of St. John.  The Gospel Reading is actually later in the Liturgy.  No?

Sorry for the slow response - I've been a little busy recently  Wink

Here is a link to the Service text: http://www.saintjonah.org/services/typvesplit_holysat.doc
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That's so "unlike" our Holy Friday services.  Our church is kept dark, voices are somber and there are no flowers being thrown.

Interesting.

Greek Holy Friday services are very somber, lights off and all. But the service normally celebrated in anticipation on Holy Friday evening is the Matins of Holy Saturday, which is why a sense of joy is already beginning to creep in.
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