I should have enclosed Orthodox in quotes. There are quite a few American Western Rite "Orthodox" parishes that are neither Orthodox nor Western Rite, but cafeteria "Christians" who believe in the female priesthood and episcopacy, liturgical revolutions, gay "Holy Unions", and other abnormalities that would make most sincere Orthodox Christians shake their heads if not vomit. We have one of these "Orthodox" churches about 20 minutes from our home, where the church is headed by a married heterosexual couple, both of whom serve as bishops.
Incidentally, some of these American Western Rite "Orthodox Christians" have practices and vestments that are closer to Orthodoxy than the Protestants who were pictured in that photo with Met. Augustine. How would you guys feel if Met. Augustine were to be pictured amongst this crowd of wanna-be "Orthodox Christians?" Would that be more acceptable since they almost look like the real thing?
Now, what about Bishop Drapery Rod? I will not mention his real name as he is quite crazy about Sue, if you get my drift. He received the pseudonym of "Drapery Rod" after he posted a picture of himself holding a drapery rod instead of a real staff.
As I see it, ecumenism, no matter how you picture it, is wrong.
Are you sure these aren't vagante, non-canonical people who have just given themselves a similar name? I don't know of any actual Western Rite Orthodox parishes which condone women priests.
In Again Magazine, Jan. - Mar. 2000, page 11, mention is made of a Russian Orthodox Bishop, Bishop Aftimios Ofiesh, who later left the episcopacy in 1933 to get married. Apparently, in the process of trying to create an American Western-Rite Orthodox Church in the 1920s and early 1930s, he ordained Old Catholics and Anglican Catholics. These groups, who are now without "canonical" direction, readily accepted the ordinations performed by him to "validate" their so-called "apostolic succession." Perhaps the bishop was not aware of their duplicity, or perhaps he was too ecumenical in reaching out to these Old Catholics and Protestants and that is why his attempt to start a Western-Rite Church failed miserably. If you go online and input American Western Rite Orthodox, you will certainly get quite a listing of these non-canonical parishes who readily trace their "apostolic succession" to Bishop Aftimios Ofiesh.
When you realize that many of the so-called "American Western-Rite Orthodox" churches have married bishops, then it is not surprising that Bishop Aftimios was encouraged to get married by his associates in these "non-canonical" churches.
Another devastating fruit of ecumenism.
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Please document and justify your accusation or retract it within 72 hours. Thanks, Second Chance
Folks, please re-read my original posts.
Note that Schultz and others got the correct intent of my post because they read them with care.
In response to Second Chance, per his PM to me:
In my posts above, I was referring to the NON-CANONICAL so-called American Western-Rite Orthodox Church
that was set up by the former bishop Aftimios, who resigned when he married in 1933. [See Again Magazine, previously sited.] These Western-Rite churches immediately went into schism after Aftimios married and vacated his diocese. There are many of these so-called NON-CANONICAL American Western-Rite Orthodox Churches
who claim apostolic succession from the former bishop Aftimios. Go online and check. If I were to use the full name of the church which Aftimios started, and claim it to be non-canonical, I could be sued by them. Yes, they make that very threat online. Even though they are separated from the Eastern Orthodox Church, they still claim to be fully "Orthodox."