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Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« on: April 21, 2013, 04:15:10 PM »
I'm off to the bookstore today, I plan on picking up some books for standardized test prep, Arabic, and Koine Greek. I've always told myself that if I could learn a third language it would be Koine Greek, so I could read the Scriptures, the Fathers, and (many of) the hymns of the Church in their original language. Any ideas on what books I should get to get myself started?

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EDIT: On my Arabic thread Cyrillic gave me the following suggestions:
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The Fathers and the Scriptures are a lot easier than the classical works. The best thing you could do is buy a Greek-English dictionary (preferably Liddle-Scott) and learn declensions. Doulos, doulou, douloi, etc. You can always check for words in the dictionary, grammar, and specifically declensions, are very important.
Is there any more advice you guys could give me?
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2013, 04:20:55 PM »
This or this.

This CD could be useful as well for correct pronunciation.
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2013, 04:30:44 PM »
There is also the archive at Textkit, free to download.
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2013, 04:31:42 PM »
This CD could be useful as well for correct pronunciation.

Better yet, and free:

http://www.bible.is/audiodownloader

Just pick Greek - the (Koine) text is the Patriarchal Edition of 1914.

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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2013, 04:42:49 PM »
This CD could be useful as well for correct pronunciation.

Better yet, and free:

http://www.bible.is/audiodownloader

Just pick Greek - the (Koine) text is the Patriarchal Edition of 1914.

Just grabbed it. Will let y'all know how it is. ;)
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2013, 06:52:30 PM »
I'm off to the bookstore today, I plan on picking up some books for standardized test prep, Arabic, and Koine Greek. I've always told myself that if I could learn a third language it would be Koine Greek, so I could read the Scriptures, the Fathers, and (many of) the hymns of the Church in their original language. Any ideas on what books I should get to get myself started?

In Christ,
Severian

EDIT: On my Arabic thread Cyrillic gave me the following suggestions:
Quote
The Fathers and the Scriptures are a lot easier than the classical works. The best thing you could do is buy a Greek-English dictionary (preferably Liddle-Scott) and learn declensions. Doulos, doulou, douloi, etc. You can always check for words in the dictionary, grammar, and specifically declensions, are very important.
Is there any more advice you guys could give me?
Get a frequency dictionary.  I'll see about digging mine out, to tell you the title. It is excellent as guide to vocabulary learning.
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2013, 12:36:15 PM »
This CD could be useful as well for correct pronunciation.

Better yet, and free:

http://www.bible.is/audiodownloader

Just pick Greek - the (Koine) text is the Patriarchal Edition of 1914.

Just grabbed it. Will let y'all know how it is. ;)

Hallelujah, they've got a native Greek reading! Perfect pronunciation, no demi-hemi-semi-Erasmian abominations. 500Mb in total, a blip on a modern computer's hard drive.

Mind you, each book is broken down into bite-size chunks. Some audio joining software could help create a few larger, more manageable listening sessions.

Now, I want to spend my remaining two downloads wisely. Which English version should I get?
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2013, 12:47:40 PM »
Now, I want to spend my remaining two downloads wisely. Which English version should I get?

I haven't listened to their English versions, but I'd go for non-drama - either NRSV or KJV. I occasionally listen to the older KJV recording by Alexander Scourby.

The modern Hebrew version is nice. It's the latest and best translation of the Biblical Society of Israel. 

They also have a Nova Vulgata NT, but Latin spoken with an American/British accent is abominable (to my ears at least).
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 12:55:59 PM »
When I was perusing the library of the University of Leiden I accidentally (well, it wasn't really accidentally) ended up in the patristics section where I found a huge Patristic Greek dictionary. It was the biggest book I've ever seen. I found a digital copy on the internet. You might find it useful. It has a lot of words you'll find in the Fathers but not in Liddle and Scott.

Oh, and welcome to the select few that are learning Greek. We have cookies.
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2013, 01:04:49 PM »
Here's the Psalter according to the LXX (Koine Greek), recorded by the same reader. IIRC it used to be available from the same site (?) for free at one point. On the site of the Greek Bible Society they say there's a recording of the entire LXX Old Testament coming up.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 01:28:23 PM »
Mind you, each book is broken down into bite-size chunks. Some audio joining software could help create a few larger, more manageable listening sessions.

Here's the same version in book-size chunks instead of single chapters. Sorry about the names of the books - they were originally in Latin, but I changed them to Romanian.

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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 01:31:04 PM »
When I was perusing the library of the University of Leiden I accidentally (well, it wasn't really accidentally) ended up in the patristics section where I found a huge Patristic Greek dictionary. It was the biggest book I've ever seen. I found a digital copy on the internet. You might find it useful. It has a lot of words you'll find in the Fathers but not in Liddle and Scott.

Oh, and welcome to the select few that are learning Greek. We have cookies.
No Baklava?

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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 01:31:33 PM »
You never came across Lampe befoe?

Nope. I was completely taken by surprise.

No Baklava?

Baklava - no. We do have gyros.
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 01:33:03 PM »
Mind you, each book is broken down into bite-size chunks. Some audio joining software could help create a few larger, more manageable listening sessions.

Here's the same version in book-size chunks instead of single chapters. Sorry about the names of the books - they were originally in Latin, but I changed them to Romanian.

I've already done the same myself. I love my FormatFactory. ;)
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2013, 01:35:00 PM »
Oh, and welcome to the select few that are learning Greek. We have cookies.

Cookies are for amateurs. We have brownies. ;)
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2013, 04:42:52 PM »
Get a frequency dictionary.  I'll see about digging mine out, to tell you the title. It is excellent as guide to vocabulary learning.

Robert E. Van Voorst - Building Your New Testament Greek Vocabulary?

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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2013, 10:57:11 AM »
The best advice I can give is: learn Greek in a classroom setting. That's the only real way to learn it, I think.

And I've heard good things about this book You should see if your library has it. I've read it a bit and it looks like something you really want to have.
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2013, 12:03:59 PM »
And I've heard good things about this book You should see if your library has it. I've read it a bit and it looks like something you really want to have.

Definitely something to get in paperback - and used. :-\
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2013, 08:52:05 PM »
The best advice I can give is: learn Greek in a classroom setting. That's the only real way to learn it, I think.
That's what I thought too. I just wanted to introduce myself to the basics of the language before I got serious about studying it. That being said, I want to focus a lot more on my Arabic, as I have a strong foundation in that language.

Thank you all for your advice, especially you, Cyrillic.
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2013, 04:39:44 AM »
Thank you all for your advice, especially you, Cyrillic.

No problem.

If you're getting better at Greek I recommend the Patristic Greek Reader. It's a book with some nice Patristic texts (St. Gregory the Theologian, the Didache, the Sayings of the Desert Fathers, etc.) with a word list at the end of the book and notes at the bottom of each page what difficult passages and words mean. Oh, and there are translations of those passages in there too so you could check your work.
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Re: Tips and Resources for Learning Koine/Biblical Greek?
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2013, 05:22:15 PM »
Get a frequency dictionary.  I'll see about digging mine out, to tell you the title. It is excellent as guide to vocabulary learning.

Robert E. Van Voorst - Building Your New Testament Greek Vocabulary?

No.  Warren C. Trenchard "Complete Vocabulary Guide to the Greek New Testament."
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