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« on: May 05, 2013, 11:59:43 AM »

In OT, God often asked the Isaralities to stone the sinners to death.Is this penalty too cruel and too horrible? Why would God approved such torment in Israel  and even commanded the Isaralities to do such horrible thing?
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2013, 12:11:44 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2013, 12:18:40 PM »

Because Elohim wanted to create a "holy nation" from Abraham's seed and hated sin. The sinners were "cast out" of this nation and punished. Now since Yeshua came, we have been in the period of grace and salvation. However, when Yeshua comes again in His glory, all the sinners will be cast out of Heavenly Jerusalem and condemned to eternal torture.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2013, 12:31:58 PM »

Stoning is horrible and impossibly cruel.  Sometimes I ask God why He commanded such things be done, but He usually responds, "Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?.."  Some things are not for us to know, at least for now. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2013, 12:43:52 PM »

As what I know ,stoning people to death  is still commonly used by Islam (countries) nowadays... Cry  Undecided

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2013, 12:45:35 PM »

Would you prefer lethal injection, or perhaps for offenders to spend their lives in prison? Or for people to simply be let off without punishment and continue to hurt others? Are those more humane? And who decides what is humane, and why should that person be accounted as an authority?
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2013, 12:49:57 PM »

As what I know ,stoning people to death  is still  used by Islam (countries) nowadays... Cry  Undecided



Yes, but they got it from Judaism like many other things. (Nothing surprising when we know that Islam is a distorted version of Judaism). Although there is no verse in the Qur'an to stipulate that people caught in adultery be stoned to death, Islamic tradition endorses this practice as Omar attributed it directly to Muhammad and said that he had heard Muhammad recite a Qur'an verse about stoning (rajm).
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 04:44:48 PM »

You need to accept guilt and sickness before you can accept forgiveness and healing. Personally, I think God took on the image of a harsh judge to convict the world of their problems so that they could accept the forgiveness and healing that came through the Incarnation. Anyhoo, I find it kind of funny how people emphasize the hard teachings of the OT so much but ignore those of the New. It wasn't until the New Testament that the concept of Hell, eternal fire and being persecuted and martyred for Christ's sake was introduced. In the Old Testament, God actually seemed like an okay guy. Harsh? Sure. But, if you lived by His words, things usually went well, and if you disobeyed Him, you only suffered in this life for it. But in the New Testament, we get down to the condition of the soul and eternal suffering, combined with some really hard moral expectations to adhere to.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 05:34:14 PM »

God found it appropiate, so whats the problem?
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 05:55:37 PM »

Perhaps being sentenced to die horribly, as opposed to just die, is a better deterrent? In our humanitarian concerns, we seem to have forgotten that torture and gruesome methods of execution were the norm even in the civilised world until quite recently.

The Israelites are repeatedly called a hard and lawless people. The OT shows what happened as soon as Moses' back was turned, after all. If they needed a boot on the neck to learn to obey, that's what they got. By the NT, we are expected to have grown some conscience.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2013, 06:31:54 PM »

As what I know ,stoning people to death  is still commonly used by Islam (countries) nowadays... Cry  Undecided



Perhaps you should read accounts of executions when lethal injection fails to kill the person right away and how they suffer. Of when they hang someone and the neck does not break as it should and they slowly strangle... etc.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2013, 08:00:02 PM »

Perhaps we do not realize how bad sin really is. We have become accustomed to it and think it is not as bad as it is. Whether that is true or not, God's ways are above humanity and our reasoning, regardless of who you believe God is. We still have a troubling world we cannot deny whether you believe that which is described in the OT is real or not.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2013, 08:11:23 PM »

Another way to look at it is maybe God was trying to show us just how bad adultery specifically is (since it is the sin that it is the punishment for IIRC). Just think how many people it is hurting: The man and woman doing it, their spouses, and any potential children and grandchildren that come about from it, the adulterers' parents and the innocent spouses' parents as well.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2013, 10:34:57 PM »

How about the very "Christian" manner of execution by burning.  Yes, even "the body of Christ" used this method on occasion.  I think that I would prefer the stoning. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2013, 10:40:23 PM »

How about the very "Christian" manner of execution by burning.  Yes, even "the body of Christ" used this method on occasion.  I think that I would prefer the stoning. 

Eh, I'd take the burning. I'd rather my body be incinerated than left to deteriorate in the middle of the desert with animals picking it apart.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2013, 11:17:26 PM »

How about the very "Christian" manner of execution by burning.  Yes, even "the body of Christ" used this method on occasion.  I think that I would prefer the stoning. 

Eh, I'd take the burning. I'd rather my body be incinerated than left to deteriorate in the middle of the desert with animals picking it apart.

What difference does it make after you are dead.  It is how you become that way that counts.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2013, 12:11:35 AM »

If God asks you to stone a people to death today, will you obey him and follow his order?
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2013, 12:15:23 AM »

If God asks you to stone a people to death today, will you obey him and follow his order?

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No.  The first martyr, St. Stephen, was killed by stoning.  Besides, why would God issue such an order?   Huh
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2013, 01:10:52 AM »

well theortically, hmmmm

if it was God commanding, ok

but he better prove he is God first before making me do it...
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2013, 10:57:23 AM »

well theortically, hmmmm

if it was God commanding, ok

but he better prove he is God first before making me do it...

No need for that. If a voice tells you to kill someone, it ain't God.

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2013, 11:25:32 AM »

The way I see it, God had to use more blunt methods to reach people in an era when humanity was more barbaric and uncivilized.  I think you see even in the OT that as civilization progressed, the punishments that He demanded to be meted out became less barbaric.  This is not to say that people now do not engage in outrageously barbaric activities, but society as a whole is less accepting of such activities today as opposed to back then.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2013, 11:44:50 AM »

well theortically, hmmmm

if it was God commanding, ok

but he better prove he is God first before making me do it...

No need for that. If a voice tells you to kill someone, it ain't God.

"Oh, but what about Abraham?"

"You aren't Abraham."

Yeah, and Abraham wasn't about God wanting a sacrifice.  God sent His son to die for us and brought Him from Abraham's line.  I see the (almost) sacrifice of Isaac as God saying "Are you willing to go as far as I am?"  Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own son to God and thus was worthy of having Christ come from his lineage.



As for stoning, look at all the other great options at that time.  The 9mm wasn't introduced until 1902.  It was pretty much feed them to critters, saw at their necks with a crappy bronze sword, or toss rocks at them. 
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2013, 12:13:28 PM »

They'll stone you if your prophecies are bull (Leviticus 20:15)
They'll stone you if you call your dad a fool (Exodus 21:17)
They'll stone you if you hump your favorite horse (Exodus 22:19)
They'll stone you if you try to use the Force (Exodus 22:18).
But I would not feel so all alone...
Eeeeeverybody must get stoned. (Romans 3: 23)
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2013, 12:35:43 PM »

Eeeeeverybody must get stoned. (Romans 3: 23)

But where can we find enough pot to get everyone stoned?
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2013, 12:37:06 PM »

They'll stone you if your prophecies are bull (Leviticus 20:15)
They'll stone you if you call your dad a fool (Exodus 21:17)
They'll stone you if you hump your favorite horse (Exodus 22:19)
They'll stone you if you try to use the Force (Exodus 22:18).
But I would not feel so all alone...
Eeeeeverybody must get stoned. (Romans 3: 23)

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2013, 01:15:23 PM »

Eeeeeverybody must get stoned. (Romans 3: 23)

But where can we find enough pot to get everyone stoned?

A new unified state of Holland-Jamaica. 
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2013, 02:02:29 PM »

If God asks you to stone a people to death today, will you obey him and follow his order?

Christ is Risen!

No.  The first martyr, St. Stephen, was killed by stoning.  Besides, why would God issue such an order?   Huh

God doesnt "issue orders" for us to carry out like robots. He also doesn't violate the Temporal Prime Directive not to mess with the time-line.
Even though he knows about lethal injection he does not  interfere with people living during a time when stoning is acceptable.



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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2013, 01:20:32 AM »

well theortically, hmmmm

if it was God commanding, ok

but he better prove he is God first before making me do it...

No need for that. If a voice tells you to kill someone, it ain't God.

"Oh, but what about Abraham?"

"You aren't Abraham."

Well, I will not go so far to deny God can speak, but I have never heard him anyway and I don't think I ever will...

but again, I said theoretically, he could speak to whoever he wants. and no I am not Abraham, but I am glad Abraham listened.
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