Carl I wont to know why someone deleted my post yesterday, why Im I being censored. Im going to save this just in case it doesnt go through.
As I am reading this thread it is clear that this situation is the same as the one of Macedonia. Serbia is not the mother church for us nor should any church have power over another. No Greek or Serbian church can tell me that I am not Macedonian Orthodox and that I am not canonical. They tried their trick with the Nish dogovor and now with a fake but to you real Ohrid Archdiocese or whatever they are calling it. Oh and the Greeks are in this for the name. Ukraine does not need permission from anyone. This is why the Orthodox people are divided.
P.S I have no problem with entering a Greek or Serbian church so long as they dont try their propaganda and dont care about my ethnicity.
Have you listened to your Bishop Anthimos such a wonderful and spiritual person (he should be sacked)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVq5Yc7czJo
He wonts to annex Bitola and would love to kill everyone to reclaim it, this is then Bishop of Thessaloniki/Solun.
This news never makes it on here we dont wont to get the Greek upset.
This is all in Greek but I have provided a translationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TFjIfyrQ_aE
Bishop Anthimos: “No Mercy is Possible”
In his latest Sunday Sermon on November 13, 2011, the Greek Orthodox Bishop of Thessaloniki Anthimos continues his anti-Macedonian diatribes, fully funded by the Greek state, with full support from the Patriarch, and a generation of Greek parishioners who have been brought up to believe that Church is a place to talk about everything EXCEPT the love of God, and Jesus Christ. No matter what happens to the Greek economy or society, it seems there will always be sufficient borrowed German euros available to pay for the salary of professional propagandists like Anthimos, and others like him.
Among other things, the so-called Bishop talks at length about how “merciful” Greeks are towards their poor neighbors, like the Bulgarian citizens who come to Greece to earn some money for their survival. “They are allowed to sell candles outside Greek churches, and we do not react to this, although we know that they are acting against the Greek law”. He also explains how merciful Greece and Greeks are towards “Skopia.” (Skopia is a Greek slur used for the Republic of Macedonia, and the term Skopian is used for ALL ethnic Macedonians, including the hundreds of thousands who live within Greece’s post-1913 borders, and the large diaspora of that Aegean Macedonian community. Thus, with the term Skopian, the xenophobic Greek Orthodox Church is attempting to make those people foreigners in their own land; they are the “other.” (This is a GOC practice that goes back to the early days, with Bishop Karavangelis, who worked hand in hand with Ottoman troops liquidating Macedonians who rejected the Patriarchy; a “man of God” who used to dance through the streets of Kostur with Lazar Poptrajkov’s head on a plate.)
Anthimos continues to talk about how, by investing there, the Greek companies are offering a better standard of living to those citizens, “but “Skopians” still insist on their aims to change the order in the Balkans in their favor. “Once, it had been said by the media there, that now, Greece is lost, it is time for us to get back our lands. You listen to this and evaluate it.” He explains that, in this case, no mercy is possible because “we Greeks do not ask for anything but we always give and give, again!”.
He says that he helps students (five of them) from Macedonia, to study theology in Solun and he offers them housing. After this, a mention to pseudo-German EU bureaucrat Yorgos Chatzimarkakis follows, criticizing the politician’s speech in Macedonian language, by which he “recognized” the Macedonian language (he reads aloud a newspaper article).
Anthimos also recommends that the new minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr. Dimas, will “help Greek interests to be protected”, especially after the upcoming expected verdict of the International Court of Justice case, where it is widely believed that Greece is destined to lose. In essence, Anthimos is calling for the bigoted Greek policy against Macedonians, both inside and outside of Greece, to continue with he support of Athens under all circumstances. However, the Greek Church is a client of that state, so both institutions support each other, to see who can be more anti-Macedonian.
As always, Anthimos relies on the old red herring that the tiny Republic of Macedonia poses a military threat to NATO-member Greece, in hopes of generating a fear response, and making his flock more malleable and easy to manipulate: “This is a danger that we must always keep in our minds and have some concern for such claims, because they want us, the Greeks, to go south of Mount Olympus. This is what we are told. And we will be told that, also by others.”
This kind of existential threat pretext is used routinely by the Greek Orthodox Church, and it is particularly effective when it comes to the large community of Pontic Greeks from Asia Minor, who escaped to Aegean Macedonia after the Treaty of Lausanne, and who were commonly given the illegally expropriated homes and land of Macedonians, who had previously been ethnically cleansed from their farms. Of course, the Greek Orthodox Church was complicit in those historical crimes, and, as a result, the extremist elements in the Pontic community of northern Greece remain as some of the best allies to Greek ultra-nationalism, because they, too, know what it feels like to be forcibly removed from their land in Anatolia, and they have been bred since childhood to carry a deep fear that this might happen to them again, if the indigenous Macedonians are not systematically oppressed.
At the end, Anthimos mentions the voices of part of the Greek population, who are in favor of getting Greece out of the Eurozone. He says that such a thing would be catastrophic , because “imagine if Bulgaria, Albania, the state of Skopia and Turkey all get into the EU, and Greece to be outside! Think about it. Are all of them silly, to want to be in? [...] “if we get outside they European Union, we will get to be like it was in 1952-54″ and “we would be like Bulgaria , some years ago, when I was told that, in that country, they were so poor that, in a family of 4, they had to share one single orange at their meals, because they did not have the money to buy more.”
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