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The Discussion on the Status of Mt. Athos is Pointless
« on: January 17, 2003, 01:58:01 PM »
THE DISCUSSION ON THE STATUS OF MOUNT ATHOS IS POINTLESS

The status of the
monastic community of Mount Athos has been consolidated in Greece's EU
accession treaty, it has been regulated since 1979 and was ratified in 1981,
stated Greek government spokesman Christos Protopapas. The statement was
made in response to the European Parliament decision which adopted a non
binding resolution lifting the existing status of Mount Athos
, a monastic
community in northern Greece which is off limits for women.
Mr. Protopapas stated that the issue has been regulated through the existing
treaties and therefore, any discussion is pointless. He said that the EU
resolution is of no significance and the Mount Athos status cannot be
overturned through resolutions.

Mr. Protopapas stressed that this is a special situation. It is a monastic
community that has kept the Christian Orthodox tradition in its entirety and
therefore, it is absolutely wrong for someone to try to impose a solution
from the outside. Both from a legal and a spiritual point of view such
situations that have been consolidated through the centuries should be
respected, stated Mr. Protopapas.

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Re:The Discussion on the Status of Mt. Athos is Pointless
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2003, 02:55:19 PM »
Mr. Protopapas is right.  The monastic republic of Mount Athos should be considered as one vast monastery.  It is a very special "situation."  When governments start telling monasteries that they must admit women, then religious liberty for all is seriously threatened.

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Re:The Discussion on the Status of Mt. Athos is Pointless
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2003, 03:42:31 PM »
Mr. Protopapas is right.  The monastic republic of Mount Athos should be considered as one vast monastery.  It is a very special "situation."  When governments start telling monasteries that they must admit women, then religious liberty for all is seriously threatened.

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Exactly.  I am heartened by this news.
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Re:The Discussion on the Status of Mt. Athos is Pointless
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2003, 12:10:37 PM »
Re: Section 98 of The Basic Rights in the EU has requested that women be
allowed on the Holy Mountain as the prohibition against women, according to
them, violates the universally recognised principle of gender equality.


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Re:The Discussion on the Status of Mt. Athos is Pointless
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2003, 12:18:12 PM »
Re: Section 98 of The Basic Rights in the EU has requested that women be
allowed on the Holy Mountain as the prohibition against women, according to
them, violates the universally recognised principle of gender equality.


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Of course, according to this interpretation of "gender equality," the RC and Orthodox Churches will be required to ordain women to the priesthood and episcopate as well, no?

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Re:The Discussion on the Status of Mt. Athos is Pointless
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2003, 12:36:03 PM »
[Of course, according to this interpretation of "gender equality," the RC and Orthodox Churches will be required to ordain women to the priesthood and episcopate as well, no?]

I guess that will be next if we don't start standing up for our basic religious rights.  

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Re:The Discussion on the Status of Mt. Athos is Pointless
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2003, 12:59:18 PM »
ISTM (-£-+-¦ -¦-¦-¦-¦-é-ü-Ã…, -ç-é-+) the whole argument hangs on whether Athos is really a separate country, like the Vatican and San Marino are from Italy, or if it’s a part of Greece. (I remember a New York Times article on it from the ’80s titled, ‘This Corner of Greece is Different: It Isn’t a Corner of Greece’. AFAIK it is part of Greece but enjoys autonomy.) Also, ISTM ironically Athos might be better protected against infringements by the EU if it is in Greece, because my private-club-is-sovereign analogy would hold (if not the separation-of-church-and-state argument). Might a private organization on private property in Greece be free to do what it wants?

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Of course, according to this interpretation of "gender equality," the RC and Orthodox Churches will be required to ordain women to the priesthood and episcopate as well, no?

I remember that was what opponents said was the hook in the charitable-seeming velvet glove of the proposed Equal Rights Amendment to the US Constitution. (IIRC, ‘Congress shall make no law discriminating on the basis of sex.’) To which proponents rebutted: separation of church and state would protect churches in this case. But considering how vehemently anti-Catholic American society is (even more so now than in the ’50s, thanks to PC), I don’t think that promise can be counted on. The intelligentsia and the media, egged on by the pro-abortion movement, easily could incite the mob to burn down churches again on the grounds that ‘those papists’ (and when they see RCs they see Easterns too) are oppressing women. Just like in the 1840s when churches and convents were torched by mobs partly because of lurid false stories of nuns being prostituted and held against their will (‘Maria Monk’, etc.).

Our view of difference and complementarity of the sexes is going the way of our smells-and-bells religion as being seen increasingly as un-‘Amurrican’ and therefore a threat by the herd, the masses.
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