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« Reply #90 on: April 08, 2013, 09:45:52 AM »

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That's what happens when you have a discussion with people who are high, man.

You ever try arguing with a drunk?  Wink

One big reason why I never did drugs. In my experience, (of course this was when I was in college, when dinosaurs roamed the earth) people who are stoned are boring. But perhaps drug users of today are more interesting and conversational.
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« Reply #91 on: April 08, 2013, 10:11:17 AM »

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That's what happens when you have a discussion with people who are high, man.

You ever try arguing with a drunk?  Wink

One big reason why I never did drugs. In my experience, (of course this was when I was in college, when dinosaurs roamed the earth) people who are stoned are boring. But perhaps drug users of today are more interesting and conversational.
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« Reply #92 on: April 08, 2013, 02:20:58 PM »

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I will never understand how people completely miss the point and then make empty points in an attempt to support...nothing, apparently.


That's what happens when you have a discussion with people who are high, man.

You ever try arguing with a drunk?  Wink

One big reason why I never did drugs. In my experience, (of course this was when I was in college, when dinosaurs roamed the earth) people who are stoned are boring. But perhaps drug users of today are more interesting and conversational.

KofD, you were smarter than I was. Wink

In my vast experience, also back slightly before dinosaurs roamed the earth, of drug use and abuse, those of us (and there were many, many of us!) who were stoned were so enthralled with being stoned and the ridiculous and absurd (and probably pretty stupid) humor we imbued each other's jokes or comments with, and the sensory effects of the drugs, that we paid no attention to the fact that we might appear boring to those who were not stoned.  In fact, we thought *they* were boring.  Go figure.  I doubt anything has changed much since then apart from the strength of the drugs.  The only drug users that I've come across who were "conversational" (but not necessarily "interesting"--unless you, too, are stoned) are the ones using coke or speed.
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« Reply #93 on: April 08, 2013, 03:17:24 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
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Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.

The problem here is the OP"s question; What is the position of the Church regarding consumption of marijuana, cannabis, THC, etc.? In other words, does the Church think that it is a good thing or that it is a shortcoming or a sin? To attack those who say that it is not a good thing or that it is a sin is not fair at all. Plus, nobody is saying that anyone in particular is going to hell. What an idea!

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« Reply #94 on: April 08, 2013, 04:04:40 PM »

On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.
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« Reply #95 on: April 08, 2013, 04:32:21 PM »

On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.

Good for you! Please tell me how that makes marijuana use something that the Church would approve of. Is it because Deep Roots has been able to exercise self-control and was able to walk home safely?
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« Reply #96 on: April 08, 2013, 04:37:26 PM »

On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.

Good for you! Please tell me how that makes marijuana use something that the Church would approve of. Is it because Deep Roots has been able to exercise self-control and was able to walk home safely?
I'm not saying the Church should approve of it.  I'm saying the people on this forum, most anyway, are incredibly thick on this issue.  I was merely challenging some of the misconceptions and assumptions people on this board are making about what weed DOES, how it does it, what smokers are like, and what state it puts them in.

Beyond that, I don't care.  Just trying to correct some errors.
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« Reply #97 on: April 08, 2013, 05:03:06 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
All I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone based on a single nasty habit.  If someone can't go two or three days a week and up to 138 other days a year without doing something, then it is a problem.  If every nasty habit and/or indulgence is a sin then stop drinking alcohol, smoking, consuming meat and dairy products, eating sugar, eating sweet fruits, eating rare foods, etc.
I will never understand how people completely miss the point and then make empty points in an attempt to support...nothing, apparently.

Is getting high right or wrong?  This is the question.  It matters not if a person uses MJ, cocaine, Meth, MDMA, Hash, Spice, Salvia or any other drug chosen from a very extensive list of substances people use to recreationally get wasted.  Are we taught the occasional drunk is ok or than drunkenness is wrong?  I laugh when I see folks compare MJ to alcohol, but refuse to associate drunkenness with it, which is extremely telling and reveals the truth.  What you don't say is just as important as what you do.

It is wrong, it has always been wrong, it will always be wrong regardless of any hipster SNL comments a person ignorantly spews it a failed attempt to justify its use. 

Actually, the question is what is the Church's teaching on marijuana. Seeing as how it has never come up in the canons and only recently in the teachings of Orthodox priests, it does not seem that the Church specifically has a traditional teaching on marijuana.

Following that, the only way to determine what the Church's teaching on marijuana might be is by analogy, hence the many comments on alcohol and your own use of the intoxication argument. Is it possible to use marijuana and not get "wasted" or "high"? Of course, different people are going to have different interpretations "high" and what the Church Fathers might have considered an acceptable level of alcohol use would probably be considered "binge drinking" by the American medical establishment. At what level of drinking does one go past having one's heart "gladdened" and being drunk? What separates a feast and celebration from an orgy and debauchery? The Fathers never give us a two drink limit, they only condemn drunkeness and relate it to the lack of self control that drunkeness brings. Is there an analogous level of marijuana use, or does just one hit bypass gladdening and go straight to "wasted"?

"It is wrong, it has always been wrong, yadda yadda, hipster reference, SNL bashing". This is not an argument- it's a proclamation from on high, with no reference to tradition, the Church Fathers, or even a comparable Scripture reference.
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On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.
And what medical purpose did it serve you with a beer?
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« Reply #99 on: April 08, 2013, 05:09:41 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
All I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone based on a single nasty habit.  If someone can't go two or three days a week and up to 138 other days a year without doing something, then it is a problem.  If every nasty habit and/or indulgence is a sin then stop drinking alcohol, smoking, consuming meat and dairy products, eating sugar, eating sweet fruits, eating rare foods, etc.
I will never understand how people completely miss the point and then make empty points in an attempt to support...nothing, apparently.

Is getting high right or wrong?  This is the question.  It matters not if a person uses MJ, cocaine, Meth, MDMA, Hash, Spice, Salvia or any other drug chosen from a very extensive list of substances people use to recreationally get wasted.  Are we taught the occasional drunk is ok or than drunkenness is wrong?  I laugh when I see folks compare MJ to alcohol, but refuse to associate drunkenness with it, which is extremely telling and reveals the truth.  What you don't say is just as important as what you do.

It is wrong, it has always been wrong, it will always be wrong regardless of any hipster SNL comments a person ignorantly spews it a failed attempt to justify its use. 

Actually, the question is what is the Church's teaching on marijuana. Seeing as how it has never come up in the canons and only recently in the teachings of Orthodox priests, it does not seem that the Church specifically has a traditional teaching on marijuana.

Following that, the only way to determine what the Church's teaching on marijuana might be is by analogy, hence the many comments on alcohol and your own use of the intoxication argument. Is it possible to use marijuana and not get "wasted" or "high"? Of course, different people are going to have different interpretations "high" and what the Church Fathers might have considered an acceptable level of alcohol use would probably be considered "binge drinking" by the American medical establishment. At what level of drinking does one go past having one's heart "gladdened" and being drunk? What separates a feast and celebration from an orgy and debauchery? The Fathers never give us a two drink limit, they only condemn drunkeness and relate it to the lack of self control that drunkeness brings. Is there an analogous level of marijuana use, or does just one hit bypass gladdening and go straight to "wasted"?

"It is wrong, it has always been wrong, yadda yadda, hipster reference, SNL bashing". This is not an argument- it's a proclamation from on high, with no reference to tradition, the Church Fathers, or even a comparable Scripture reference.
Maybe it would help you not to look for loopholes.
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« Reply #100 on: April 08, 2013, 05:11:33 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
All I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone based on a single nasty habit.  If someone can't go two or three days a week and up to 138 other days a year without doing something, then it is a problem.  If every nasty habit and/or indulgence is a sin then stop drinking alcohol, smoking, consuming meat and dairy products, eating sugar, eating sweet fruits, eating rare foods, etc.
I will never understand how people completely miss the point and then make empty points in an attempt to support...nothing, apparently.

Is getting high right or wrong?  This is the question.  It matters not if a person uses MJ, cocaine, Meth, MDMA, Hash, Spice, Salvia or any other drug chosen from a very extensive list of substances people use to recreationally get wasted.  Are we taught the occasional drunk is ok or than drunkenness is wrong?  I laugh when I see folks compare MJ to alcohol, but refuse to associate drunkenness with it, which is extremely telling and reveals the truth.  What you don't say is just as important as what you do.

It is wrong, it has always been wrong, it will always be wrong regardless of any hipster SNL comments a person ignorantly spews it a failed attempt to justify its use. 

Actually, the question is what is the Church's teaching on marijuana. Seeing as how it has never come up in the canons and only recently in the teachings of Orthodox priests, it does not seem that the Church specifically has a traditional teaching on marijuana.

Following that, the only way to determine what the Church's teaching on marijuana might be is by analogy, hence the many comments on alcohol and your own use of the intoxication argument. Is it possible to use marijuana and not get "wasted" or "high"? Of course, different people are going to have different interpretations "high" and what the Church Fathers might have considered an acceptable level of alcohol use would probably be considered "binge drinking" by the American medical establishment. At what level of drinking does one go past having one's heart "gladdened" and being drunk? What separates a feast and celebration from an orgy and debauchery? The Fathers never give us a two drink limit, they only condemn drunkeness and relate it to the lack of self control that drunkeness brings. Is there an analogous level of marijuana use, or does just one hit bypass gladdening and go straight to "wasted"?

"It is wrong, it has always been wrong, yadda yadda, hipster reference, SNL bashing". This is not an argument- it's a proclamation from on high, with no reference to tradition, the Church Fathers, or even a comparable Scripture reference.
Maybe it would help you not to look for loopholes.
Before I even worry about loopholes, I want proof that there's a loop to be worried about to begin with!  laugh
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Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
All I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone based on a single nasty habit.  If someone can't go two or three days a week and up to 138 other days a year without doing something, then it is a problem.  If every nasty habit and/or indulgence is a sin then stop drinking alcohol, smoking, consuming meat and dairy products, eating sugar, eating sweet fruits, eating rare foods, etc.
I will never understand how people completely miss the point and then make empty points in an attempt to support...nothing, apparently.

Is getting high right or wrong?  This is the question.  It matters not if a person uses MJ, cocaine, Meth, MDMA, Hash, Spice, Salvia or any other drug chosen from a very extensive list of substances people use to recreationally get wasted.  Are we taught the occasional drunk is ok or than drunkenness is wrong?  I laugh when I see folks compare MJ to alcohol, but refuse to associate drunkenness with it, which is extremely telling and reveals the truth.  What you don't say is just as important as what you do.

It is wrong, it has always been wrong, it will always be wrong regardless of any hipster SNL comments a person ignorantly spews it a failed attempt to justify its use. 

Actually, the question is what is the Church's teaching on marijuana. Seeing as how it has never come up in the canons and only recently in the teachings of Orthodox priests, it does not seem that the Church specifically has a traditional teaching on marijuana.

Following that, the only way to determine what the Church's teaching on marijuana might be is by analogy, hence the many comments on alcohol and your own use of the intoxication argument. Is it possible to use marijuana and not get "wasted" or "high"? Of course, different people are going to have different interpretations "high" and what the Church Fathers might have considered an acceptable level of alcohol use would probably be considered "binge drinking" by the American medical establishment. At what level of drinking does one go past having one's heart "gladdened" and being drunk? What separates a feast and celebration from an orgy and debauchery? The Fathers never give us a two drink limit, they only condemn drunkeness and relate it to the lack of self control that drunkeness brings. Is there an analogous level of marijuana use, or does just one hit bypass gladdening and go straight to "wasted"?

"It is wrong, it has always been wrong, yadda yadda, hipster reference, SNL bashing". This is not an argument- it's a proclamation from on high, with no reference to tradition, the Church Fathers, or even a comparable Scripture reference.
Maybe it would help you not to look for loopholes.
Before I even worry about loopholes, I want proof that there's a loop to be worried about to begin with!  laugh
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nobody is saying that anyone in particular is going to hell. What an idea!



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« Reply #103 on: April 08, 2013, 05:21:34 PM »

On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.

Good for you! Please tell me how that makes marijuana use something that the Church would approve of. Is it because Deep Roots has been able to exercise self-control and was able to walk home safely?
I'm not saying the Church should approve of it.  I'm saying the people on this forum, most anyway, are incredibly thick on this issue.  I was merely challenging some of the misconceptions and assumptions people on this board are making about what weed DOES, how it does it, what smokers are like, and what state it puts them in.

Beyond that, I don't care.  Just trying to correct some errors.

Fair enough. OTOH, the topic is about the Church and the weed. What do you think the Church's position is or should be?

May I ask also if you would accept, strictly for the sake of arriving to an unthick position on this subject, scientific studies if they do not agree with your own experience?
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« Reply #104 on: April 08, 2013, 05:23:17 PM »

On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.
And what medical purpose did it serve you with a beer?
none whatsoever. who cares?
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nobody is saying that anyone in particular is going to hell. What an idea!



Do what you will, advocate for that which destroys, serve self rather than God.  The bottom line is you know better.  I just hope you're prepared to accept the consequences.
And?
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On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.
And what medical purpose did it serve you with a beer?
none whatsoever. who cares?
That's what I thought. That's pretty much what I said when everyone was beating the medicinal marijuana drum, but thanks for the confirmation.
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« Reply #107 on: April 08, 2013, 05:26:49 PM »


nobody is saying that anyone in particular is going to hell. What an idea!



Do what you will, advocate for that which destroys, serve self rather than God.  The bottom line is you know better.  I just hope you're prepared to accept the consequences.
And?
the post was not meant for you, but for Carl Kraeff and only to clarify my statement, it was not an attack in any way
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nobody is saying that anyone in particular is going to hell. What an idea!



Do what you will, advocate for that which destroys, serve self rather than God.  The bottom line is you know better.  I just hope you're prepared to accept the consequences.
To paraphrase Dirty Harry: well, do ya punk? Kerdy only asked you if you are prepared to accept the consequences. He did not condemn you to hell; indeed no Orthodox would. That is a different thing than discussing whether something is sinful or constitutes what we Orthodox describe as "falling short." As you may recall, we are not supposed to to certain things and we are supposed to do other things. One of the things we must do is to treat our bodies as temples for the Holy Spirit. A corollary is that we should not do things that harm our bodies. This is something that most of us do not do well. Indeed, all of us are sinners. Does that mean that we are doomed to go to hell? Please quit being self-defensive and cease accusing folks of judging you when nobody has.
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nobody is saying that anyone in particular is going to hell. What an idea!



Do what you will, advocate for that which destroys, serve self rather than God.  The bottom line is you know better.  I just hope you're prepared to accept the consequences.
And?
the post was not meant for you, but for Carl Kraeff and only to clarify my statement, it was not an attack in any way
It gives the appearance you are suggesting I am saying people will burn in hell for consuming MJ, which clearly I have not. 
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On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.
And what medical purpose did it serve you with a beer?
none whatsoever. who cares?
That's what I thought. That's pretty much what I said when everyone was beating the medicinal marijuana drum, but thanks for the confirmation.
i havent said anything about medical.
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« Reply #111 on: April 08, 2013, 05:38:42 PM »


nobody is saying that anyone in particular is going to hell. What an idea!



Do what you will, advocate for that which destroys, serve self rather than God.  The bottom line is you know better.  I just hope you're prepared to accept the consequences.
To paraphrase Dirty Harry: well, do ya punk? Kerdy only asked you if you are prepared to accept the consequences. He did not condemn you to hell; indeed no Orthodox would. That is a different thing than discussing whether something is sinful or constitutes what we Orthodox describe as "falling short." As you may recall, we are not supposed to to certain things and we are supposed to do other things. One of the things we must do is to treat our bodies as temples for the Holy Spirit. A corollary is that we should not do things that harm our bodies. This is something that most of us do not do well. Indeed, all of us are sinners. Does that mean that we are doomed to go to hell? Please quit being self-defensive and cease accusing folks of judging you when nobody has.
IIRC the quote was directed at DR not me.
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On Saturday we had a neighborhood party as part of Orioles opening weekend at Camden Yards.

Had a bonfire in a neighborhood yard.  Had a beer and a single hit on a pipe.  (Not a fast day if I recall, as far as alcohol goes.)

One beer.  A single hit. 

You non-smokers can argue all you like about the effects.  From your non-experience.  Or your experience of overindulging.

After one beer and one hit, my wife and I walked home just fine.  I was barely buzzed.  After that I was able to continue on the rest of my evening perfectly fine.  Which included....competently grading student papers, carrying on coherent conversations with my wife, taking my dog for an evening walk, watching a little TV, reading a little of "A Theology of Liberation," and cuddling with my wife as we sent to sleep.  Oh, and I said my prayers before bed.

Here's the thing.  You can say that you still don't like it, but...I don't care.  I just told you what happened and you can't disagree with that.  It's what I did, and it's what I did competently, in my right mind, and without vice. 

I could have taken 3 or 4 hits, and I'd have been super high and sloppy and out of it.  But I didn't, because I exercised self control.

Get over it.
And what medical purpose did it serve you with a beer?
none whatsoever. who cares?
That's what I thought. That's pretty much what I said when everyone was beating the medicinal marijuana drum, but thanks for the confirmation.
i havent said anything about medical.
It simply proves what I said some time ago, and we all knew to be, was accurate.  The argument of medical use was a lie to get recreational use passed.  Somehow, I don't see the Church promoting people getting high.  And surprisingly (or not) people shy away from discussion of other drugs for recreational use because they know the same arguments would fail.  I wonder if Jesus would approve of lighting up a joint, getting high and stupid, just because it makes a person fell good.  I'm leaning toward His response being a no.  He never did so for anything else.
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My friend used pot when he was a teenager and dying (so the doctors told him) of cancer. Seemed to help him.
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I wonder if Jesus would approve of lighting up a joint, getting high and stupid, just because it makes a person fell good.  I'm leaning toward His response being a no.  He never did so for anything else.

He gave the wine to wedding guests who were already drunk (in a state they could not taste the difference between good and bad wine). Luckily, Jesus and Apostles were not Puritans.
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« Reply #115 on: April 08, 2013, 05:50:30 PM »


nobody is saying that anyone in particular is going to hell. What an idea!



Do what you will, advocate for that which destroys, serve self rather than God.  The bottom line is you know better.  I just hope you're prepared to accept the consequences.
To paraphrase Dirty Harry: well, do ya punk? Kerdy only asked you if you are prepared to accept the consequences. He did not condemn you to hell; indeed no Orthodox would. That is a different thing than discussing whether something is sinful or constitutes what we Orthodox describe as "falling short." As you may recall, we are not supposed to to certain things and we are supposed to do other things. One of the things we must do is to treat our bodies as temples for the Holy Spirit. A corollary is that we should not do things that harm our bodies. This is something that most of us do not do well. Indeed, all of us are sinners. Does that mean that we are doomed to go to hell? Please quit being self-defensive and cease accusing folks of judging you when nobody has.
IIRC the quote was directed at DR not me.

You are right. I had directed my comment to your post of yesterday where you said "I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days." Since then it seems that I did confuse you with Deep Roots and I do apologize for that. Do you mind if I ask you what you think the Church's position is (or should be)?
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I wonder if Jesus would approve of lighting up a joint, getting high and stupid, just because it makes a person fell good.  I'm leaning toward His response being a no.  He never did so for anything else.

He gave the wine to wedding guests who were already drunk (in a state they could not taste the difference between good and bad wine). Luckily, Jesus and Apostles were not Puritans.
Ah, the old "Jesus made wine" argument, which thus far has really said nothing at all.  Care to try again rather than avoid what I posted or is this your only defense?
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I wonder if Jesus would approve of lighting up a joint, getting high and stupid, just because it makes a person fell good.  I'm leaning toward His response being a no.  He never did so for anything else.

He gave the wine to wedding guests who were already drunk (in a state they could not taste the difference between good and bad wine). Luckily, Jesus and Apostles were not Puritans.
Ah, the old "Jesus made wine" argument, which thus far has really said nothing at all.  Care to try again rather than avoid what I posted or is this your only defense?

That overthrows your theory that moderate intoxication from time to time is sinful since Christ helped others to get it.

I don't care about your other "arguments". I do not consider your spiritual advice important in any way.
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Do you mind if I ask you what you think the Church's position is (or should be)?
Same as with alcohol, don't get so wasted you can't remember what happened the next day and none on any fast days
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I wonder if Jesus would approve of lighting up a joint, getting high and stupid, just because it makes a person fell good.  I'm leaning toward His response being a no.  He never did so for anything else.

He gave the wine to wedding guests who were already drunk (in a state they could not taste the difference between good and bad wine). Luckily, Jesus and Apostles were not Puritans.
Ah, the old "Jesus made wine" argument, which thus far has really said nothing at all.  Care to try again rather than avoid what I posted or is this your only defense?

That overthrows your theory that moderate intoxication from time to time is sinful since Christ helped others to get it.

I don't care about your other "arguments". I do not consider your spiritual advice important in any way.
I more than adequately refuted your faulty claim in another thread.  No need to do it again here.

And according to your post in this thread, you apparently do not consider the spiritual advice of priests important either, so I take comfort to be in good company.
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Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
All I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone based on a single nasty habit.  If someone can't go two or three days a week and up to 138 other days a year without doing something, then it is a problem.  If every nasty habit and/or indulgence is a sin then stop drinking alcohol, smoking, consuming meat and dairy products, eating sugar, eating sweet fruits, eating rare foods, etc.
I will never understand how people completely miss the point and then make empty points in an attempt to support...nothing, apparently.

Is getting high right or wrong?  This is the question.  It matters not if a person uses MJ, cocaine, Meth, MDMA, Hash, Spice, Salvia or any other drug chosen from a very extensive list of substances people use to recreationally get wasted.  Are we taught the occasional drunk is ok or than drunkenness is wrong?  I laugh when I see folks compare MJ to alcohol, but refuse to associate drunkenness with it, which is extremely telling and reveals the truth.  What you don't say is just as important as what you do.

It is wrong, it has always been wrong, it will always be wrong regardless of any hipster SNL comments a person ignorantly spews it a failed attempt to justify its use. 

Actually, the question is what is the Church's teaching on marijuana. Seeing as how it has never come up in the canons and only recently in the teachings of Orthodox priests, it does not seem that the Church specifically has a traditional teaching on marijuana.

Following that, the only way to determine what the Church's teaching on marijuana might be is by analogy, hence the many comments on alcohol and your own use of the intoxication argument. Is it possible to use marijuana and not get "wasted" or "high"? Of course, different people are going to have different interpretations "high" and what the Church Fathers might have considered an acceptable level of alcohol use would probably be considered "binge drinking" by the American medical establishment. At what level of drinking does one go past having one's heart "gladdened" and being drunk? What separates a feast and celebration from an orgy and debauchery? The Fathers never give us a two drink limit, they only condemn drunkeness and relate it to the lack of self control that drunkeness brings. Is there an analogous level of marijuana use, or does just one hit bypass gladdening and go straight to "wasted"?

"It is wrong, it has always been wrong, yadda yadda, hipster reference, SNL bashing". This is not an argument- it's a proclamation from on high, with no reference to tradition, the Church Fathers, or even a comparable Scripture reference.
Maybe it would help you not to look for loopholes.
Before I even worry about loopholes, I want proof that there's a loop to be worried about to begin with!  laugh
Maybe it would help you not to look for loopholes.
And what a merry-go-round we find ourselves on.

If it helps at all, my problem is not with your final position, merely the route you're taking to get there. You've been making a lot of proclamations without any convincing arguments, such dogmatic statements without a rational position detracts from the point you are trying to make.

I have no need of loopholes. Yes, I used to smoke pot. Yes, at one point I was even a pot-head. I don't now, and haven't for close to three years. Even if it magically became legal overnight I wouldn't.

The reason your argument fails isn't because everyone is trying to rationalize something they enjoy, but quite frankly because the actual effects of marijuana have yet to be discussed without your interjecting the DEA dogmatic line. Now, were we all good citizens before becoming Orthodox or Christian, and just flat out never tried the stuff because Uncle Sam told us it was bad and would have us raping women and hanging out with black people, your argument might work. But we weren't- or some us just don't come from countries where marijuana has the stigma and illegality it does here in the US. This means that our experiences are different- we know for a fact that it is possible to smoke without getting "high" or wasted or any level of buzzed past one or two drinks. We know that for the majority of people who use marijuana exclusively do not end up in the type of debauchery that the Fathers condemned drunkeness as leading to, that marijuana use does not lead to the loss of self control that alcohol and other drugs lead to. The fact of the matter is that marijuana use is not analogous to all the drugs you mentioned in its effect- as far as the consequences of its use goes, it is more benign than alcohol. Either accept that this is the case, or stay out of the argument, otherwise you are making your own position appear ridiculous.

There are plenty of factual arguments you can use- the link between marijuana use and chromosonal damage along with Second Chance's argument about damaging the body.

I speak from experience when I say that marijuana used even occasionally can become a crutch if the use of becomes associated with certain activities almost exclusively. There are certain albums I just can't listen to anymore, and certain types of movies that I don't find enjoyable, not because I had to be high to enjoy them but because the usage was so associated with the activity that it was impossible to enjoy for several years afterward. I only just recently started to be able to play video games all the way through again.
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Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
All I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone based on a single nasty habit.  If someone can't go two or three days a week and up to 138 other days a year without doing something, then it is a problem.  If every nasty habit and/or indulgence is a sin then stop drinking alcohol, smoking, consuming meat and dairy products, eating sugar, eating sweet fruits, eating rare foods, etc.
I will never understand how people completely miss the point and then make empty points in an attempt to support...nothing, apparently.

Is getting high right or wrong?  This is the question.  It matters not if a person uses MJ, cocaine, Meth, MDMA, Hash, Spice, Salvia or any other drug chosen from a very extensive list of substances people use to recreationally get wasted.  Are we taught the occasional drunk is ok or than drunkenness is wrong?  I laugh when I see folks compare MJ to alcohol, but refuse to associate drunkenness with it, which is extremely telling and reveals the truth.  What you don't say is just as important as what you do.

It is wrong, it has always been wrong, it will always be wrong regardless of any hipster SNL comments a person ignorantly spews it a failed attempt to justify its use.  

Actually, the question is what is the Church's teaching on marijuana. Seeing as how it has never come up in the canons and only recently in the teachings of Orthodox priests, it does not seem that the Church specifically has a traditional teaching on marijuana.

Following that, the only way to determine what the Church's teaching on marijuana might be is by analogy, hence the many comments on alcohol and your own use of the intoxication argument. Is it possible to use marijuana and not get "wasted" or "high"? Of course, different people are going to have different interpretations "high" and what the Church Fathers might have considered an acceptable level of alcohol use would probably be considered "binge drinking" by the American medical establishment. At what level of drinking does one go past having one's heart "gladdened" and being drunk? What separates a feast and celebration from an orgy and debauchery? The Fathers never give us a two drink limit, they only condemn drunkeness and relate it to the lack of self control that drunkeness brings. Is there an analogous level of marijuana use, or does just one hit bypass gladdening and go straight to "wasted"?

"It is wrong, it has always been wrong, yadda yadda, hipster reference, SNL bashing". This is not an argument- it's a proclamation from on high, with no reference to tradition, the Church Fathers, or even a comparable Scripture reference.
Maybe it would help you not to look for loopholes.
Before I even worry about loopholes, I want proof that there's a loop to be worried about to begin with!  laugh
Maybe it would help you not to look for loopholes.
And what a merry-go-round we find ourselves on.

If it helps at all, my problem is not with your final position, merely the route you're taking to get there. You've been making a lot of proclamations without any convincing arguments, such dogmatic statements without a rational position detracts from the point you are trying to make.

I have no need of loopholes. Yes, I used to smoke pot. Yes, at one point I was even a pot-head. I don't now, and haven't for close to three years. Even if it magically became legal overnight I wouldn't.

The reason your argument fails isn't because everyone is trying to rationalize something they enjoy, but quite frankly because the actual effects of marijuana have yet to be discussed without your interjecting the DEA dogmatic line. Now, were we all good citizens before becoming Orthodox or Christian, and just flat out never tried the stuff because Uncle Sam told us it was bad and would have us raping women and hanging out with black people, your argument might work. But we weren't- or some us just don't come from countries where marijuana has the stigma and illegality it does here in the US. This means that our experiences are different- we know for a fact that it is possible to smoke without getting "high" or wasted or any level of buzzed past one or two drinks. We know that for the majority of people who use marijuana exclusively do not end up in the type of debauchery that the Fathers condemned drunkeness as leading to, that marijuana use does not lead to the loss of self control that alcohol and other drugs lead to. The fact of the matter is that marijuana use is not analogous to all the drugs you mentioned in its effect- as far as the consequences of its use goes, it is more benign than alcohol. Either accept that this is the case, or stay out of the argument, otherwise you are making your own position appear ridiculous.

There are plenty of factual arguments you can use- the link between marijuana use and chromosonal damage along with Second Chance's argument about damaging the body.

I speak from experience when I say that marijuana used even occasionally can become a crutch if the use of becomes associated with certain activities almost exclusively. There are certain albums I just can't listen to anymore, and certain types of movies that I don't find enjoyable, not because I had to be high to enjoy them but because the usage was so associated with the activity that it was impossible to enjoy for several years afterward. I only just recently started to be able to play video games all the way through again.
You'll must forgive me for not reading all of your post.  I will simply say if you can't take the entirety of Scripture and Tradition and draw a logical conclusion for a position of the Church rather than cherry pick what you like and look for loopholes to justify your wants, you (and others) have more serious problems than MJ.
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And according to your post in this thread, you apparently do not consider the spiritual advice of priests important either, so I take comfort to be in good company.

AFAIR, you are not a priest but a convert with a probation in Orthodoxy about 19 year shorter than mine. I won't tread your "spiritual advice" seriously since you certainly have problems in leaving your Evangelical mentality so stop pretending to be an elder to everyone.

If you provide some opinion by actual Orthodox theologian that alcohol intoxication is always a sin, I'll reconsider my opinion. But now, stop pretending you are a spiritual guide and know what is sinful and what is not.
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But now, stop pretending you are a spiritual guide and know what is sinful and what is not.
did you mean to post this just to him, or..to 80% of the members of this message board?
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« Reply #124 on: April 08, 2013, 06:51:25 PM »

And according to your post in this thread, you apparently do not consider the spiritual advice of priests important either, so I take comfort to be in good company.

AFAIR, you are not a priest but a convert with a probation in Orthodoxy about 19 year shorter than mine. I won't tread your "spiritual advice" seriously since you certainly have problems in leaving your Evangelical mentality so stop pretending to be an elder to everyone.

If you provide some opinion by actual Orthodox theologian that alcohol intoxication is always a sin, I'll reconsider my opinion. But now, stop pretending you are a spiritual guide and know what is sinful and what is not.
It hurts when your own words return to haunt you, doesn't it...
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« Reply #125 on: April 09, 2013, 09:21:22 AM »

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We know that for the majority of people who use marijuana exclusively do not end up in the type of debauchery that the Fathers condemned drunkeness as leading to, that marijuana use does not lead to the loss of self control that alcohol and other drugs lead to.

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« Reply #126 on: April 09, 2013, 09:48:52 AM »

Do you mind if I ask you what you think the Church's position is (or should be)?
Same as with alcohol, don't get so wasted you can't remember what happened the next day and none on any fast days
Sorry, Carl, somehow I missed this question that you asked of me.  I agree in general with pmpn.  Weed ought to be in the same category as alcohol.
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« Reply #127 on: April 09, 2013, 10:20:32 AM »

Do you mind if I ask you what you think the Church's position is (or should be)?
Same as with alcohol, don't get so wasted you can't remember what happened the next day and none on any fast days
Sorry, Carl, somehow I missed this question that you asked of me.  I agree in general with pmpn.  Weed ought to be in the same category as alcohol.
Unless, of course, we consider some people enjoy a drink now and again without getting intoxicated and enjoy the flavor.  I know of no one who has ever smoke pot not to get high, and I've met hundreds.  Everyone i have met who smokes it gets high.  If they didnt, they wouldnt smoke it.  If your claim is true (doubtful at besy) someone can smoke and not get high, there is no point in smoking it.  Even heavy users admit it stinks and tastes bad and the only reason is for the high, not flavor...so now what?  Any other foolish claims to be made or are we just going to stick to the same ones.

Still waiting on what what the EFC's, Apostles or Jesus would say...and why. 
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« Reply #128 on: April 09, 2013, 10:41:01 AM »

If your claim is true (doubtful at besy) someone can smoke and not get high, there is no point in smoking it.
Did I say that people smoke not to get high?

There are degrees of being high, Kerdy.  My experience on saturday was a high that was equivalent to roughly 2 beers (Dogfish, not Coors).  I was BARELY HIGH. 

I don't know if you've ever smoked or not, so you may not know about degrees of being high.

I have been high as a friggin kite before.  Because I smoked a lot.  That was bad.
On the other hand there is a whole range of high-ness, just as there is a range of experiencing the effects of alcohol.
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« Reply #129 on: April 09, 2013, 10:54:28 AM »

I have this vision in my head of Kerdy looking like Sgt. Joe Friday.
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« Reply #130 on: April 09, 2013, 11:23:54 AM »

I have this vision in my head of Kerdy looking like Sgt. Joe Friday.
in his mind, I think he thinks he looks like this:

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« Reply #131 on: April 09, 2013, 11:35:49 AM »

There are degrees of being high, Kerdy.  My experience on saturday was a high that was equivalent to roughly 2 beers (Dogfish, not Coors).  I was BARELY HIGH. 

I don't know if you've ever smoked or not, so you may not know about degrees of being high.

I have been high as a friggin kite before.  Because I smoked a lot.  That was bad.
On the other hand there is a whole range of high-ness, just as there is a range of experiencing the effects of alcohol.

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« Reply #132 on: April 09, 2013, 11:37:46 AM »

There are degrees of being high, Kerdy.  My experience on saturday was a high that was equivalent to roughly 2 beers (Dogfish, not Coors).  I was BARELY HIGH. 

I don't know if you've ever smoked or not, so you may not know about degrees of being high.

I have been high as a friggin kite before.  Because I smoked a lot.  That was bad.
On the other hand there is a whole range of high-ness, just as there is a range of experiencing the effects of alcohol.

The Ladder of Potty Descent... "Barely" Orthodox.   Roll Eyes
Please Father, forgive me my sins.  Please give me your mystical advice.
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« Reply #133 on: April 09, 2013, 11:41:51 AM »

Please Father, forgive me my sins.  Please give me your mystical advice.

Pot seems to be mystical enough for you. 
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« Reply #134 on: April 09, 2013, 11:53:46 AM »

Please Father, forgive me my sins.  Please give me your mystical advice.

Pot seems to be mystical enough for you. 
that doesn't even make sense.  You high?
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