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« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2013, 09:38:21 PM »

Smoking tobacco is a sin

That would be news to the Greeks.

Which Greeks? The Ancient Greeks who visited the New World and smoked with Native Americans?
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« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2013, 09:40:53 PM »

here we go.

Here I go again on my own
Going down the only road I've ever known
Like a drifter I was born to walk alone
And I've made up my mind
I ain't wasting no more time


Asteriktos, you are awesome.
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« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2013, 09:41:55 PM »

here we go.

Where we go?  (Perhaps to a different forum??)
back down the spiral of insanity. 

If that's what you want.....
trust me, no it's not what I want.

Then perhaps it's not inevitable that we go "back down the spiral of insanity".  Not quite sure where that is, but...maybe we won't find out, after all. 

I don't get this "back down." It implies we left somehow.
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« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2013, 05:16:41 PM »

The use of alcohol as an intoxicant, or drunkenness at any rate, is frowned upon by the Church,

If you ignore the wedding in Cana...

I missed the part of the story where it became a drunken orgy of intoxication and excess. Oh, to have been there!

Jn 2, 10.
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« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2013, 06:04:53 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
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« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2013, 06:08:08 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
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One would ask, why are you so sure?
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« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2013, 06:13:21 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads.  Just understand we are all going to be held accountable.  Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?  You take the chance, but life has taught me to be a little smarter.
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« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2013, 06:16:53 PM »

Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?

If it means pleasant buzz in the head and not passing out?
If it is done in circumstances nothing will require you perfectly sober (you are not driving, operating some machines, working...)?
If it is done in non-lenten period?  Not in the night before Eucharist?

Yeah.
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« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2013, 07:18:37 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads.  Just understand we are all going to be held accountable.  Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?  You take the chance, but life has taught me to be a little smarter.
Same could be said for alcohol (as in "it is used to deter judgement and nothing else") or cigarettes ("it is used to keep you calm and fuel an addiction and nothing else")
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« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2013, 07:20:45 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads. 
Wow.
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« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2013, 07:21:26 PM »

Depends on the THC-ratio of the marijuana.
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« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2013, 07:32:53 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads.
Wow.

Not tried it in more than half a year...
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« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2013, 08:06:52 PM »

Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?

If it means pleasant buzz in the head and not passing out?
If it is done in circumstances nothing will require you perfectly sober (you are not driving, operating some machines, working...)?
If it is done in non-lenten period?  Not in the night before Eucharist?

Yeah.
Cocaine, heroin, opium, khat...all good and acceptable, huh?  Go for it, but you're gonna be shocked later.  Not surprised because you already know better, but shocked.
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« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2013, 08:07:59 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads.  Just understand we are all going to be held accountable.  Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?  You take the chance, but life has taught me to be a little smarter.
Same could be said for alcohol (as in "it is used to deter judgement and nothing else") or cigarettes ("it is used to keep you calm and fuel an addiction and nothing else")
We've been down this worn out road before.  Nothing new here.
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« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2013, 08:08:34 PM »

Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?

If it means pleasant buzz in the head and not passing out?
If it is done in circumstances nothing will require you perfectly sober (you are not driving, operating some machines, working...)?
If it is done in non-lenten period?  Not in the night before Eucharist?

Yeah.
Cocaine, heroin, opium, khat...all good and acceptable, huh?  Go for it, but you're gonna be shocked later.  Not surprised because you already know better, but shocked.

We are not taling about these, are we?

It would really be nice if you knew what are you talking about. Really.
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« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2013, 08:09:10 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads. 
Wow.
Smoking pot, getting high...was it not an accurate assessment of those who promote the recreational use of a drug?
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« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2013, 08:10:17 PM »

Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?

If it means pleasant buzz in the head and not passing out?
If it is done in circumstances nothing will require you perfectly sober (you are not driving, operating some machines, working...)?
If it is done in non-lenten period?  Not in the night before Eucharist?

Yeah.
Cocaine, heroin, opium, khat...all good and acceptable, huh?  Go for it, but you're gonna be shocked later.  Not surprised because you already know better, but shocked.

We are not taling about these, are we?

It would really be nice if you knew what are you talking about. Really.
I'm talking about them.  If you don't like it, you probably should not mention alcohol again.  But if those are bad, you're dishonest if you say MJ isn't.

I do.
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« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2013, 08:11:23 PM »

Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?

If it means pleasant buzz in the head and not passing out?
If it is done in circumstances nothing will require you perfectly sober (you are not driving, operating some machines, working...)?
If it is done in non-lenten period?  Not in the night before Eucharist?

Yeah.
Cocaine, heroin, opium, khat...all good and acceptable, huh?  Go for it, but you're gonna be shocked later.  Not surprised because you already know better, but shocked.

We are not taling about these, are we?

It would really be nice if you knew what are you talking about. Really.
I do.

You wrote you never tried it. That makes your opinion of no account.
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« Reply #63 on: April 07, 2013, 08:14:11 PM »

Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?

If it means pleasant buzz in the head and not passing out?
If it is done in circumstances nothing will require you perfectly sober (you are not driving, operating some machines, working...)?
If it is done in non-lenten period?  Not in the night before Eucharist?

Yeah.
Cocaine, heroin, opium, khat...all good and acceptable, huh?  Go for it, but you're gonna be shocked later.  Not surprised because you already know better, but shocked.

We are not taling about these, are we?

It would really be nice if you knew what are you talking about. Really.
I do.

You wrote you never tried it. That makes your opinion of no account.
Well, that certainly is a useless statement.

I've also never robbed a bank.  So what?

I've also never worshipped false gods, or murdered someone, or had an abortion, or a long list of other bad things.  By your statement, there is a lot you yourself shouldn't talk about.  Care to be the bigger man and show me how it's done?
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« Reply #64 on: April 07, 2013, 08:14:25 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads.  Just understand we are all going to be held accountable.  Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?  You take the chance, but life has taught me to be a little smarter.
Same could be said for alcohol (as in "it is used to deter judgement and nothing else") or cigarettes ("it is used to keep you calm and fuel an addiction and nothing else")
We've been down this worn out road before.  Nothing new here.
Yep, pot-smokers always try to justify weed, cigarette-smokers always try to justify smoking cigarettes, alcohol-drinkers always try to justify drinking alcohol, fornicators always try to justify fornication, same with adulterers, militarists, porn-addicts, junkies, adulterers etc.  There's a reason why we fast twice a week.
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« Reply #65 on: April 07, 2013, 08:17:15 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads.  Just understand we are all going to be held accountable.  Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?  You take the chance, but life has taught me to be a little smarter.
Same could be said for alcohol (as in "it is used to deter judgement and nothing else") or cigarettes ("it is used to keep you calm and fuel an addiction and nothing else")
We've been down this worn out road before.  Nothing new here.
Yep, pot-smokers always try to justify weed, cigarette-smokers always try to justify smoking cigarettes, alcohol-drinkers always try to justify drinking alcohol, fornicators always try to justify fornication, same with adulterers, militarists, porn-addicts, junkies, adulterers etc.  There's a reason why we fast twice a week.
Was there a point in there somewhere?
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« Reply #66 on: April 07, 2013, 08:18:01 PM »

I've also never robbed a bank.  So what?

Alleged evil of smoking marijuana depends of its effects on its body and mind. Alleged evil of robbing a ban is objective. You have never tried it that means you cannot compare to alcohol/nicotine/coffeine-theine intoxication. That means you have no clue what you are posting about.
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« Reply #67 on: April 07, 2013, 08:19:22 PM »

All legal aspects aside, is marijuana smoking acceptable to the Church?
No

One would ask, why are you so sure?
Why are you so sure?

I'm not going to debate potheads.  Just understand we are all going to be held accountable.  Are you so very sure there will be no negative to consuming a drug used to get high and nothing else?  You take the chance, but life has taught me to be a little smarter.
Same could be said for alcohol (as in "it is used to deter judgement and nothing else") or cigarettes ("it is used to keep you calm and fuel an addiction and nothing else")
We've been down this worn out road before.  Nothing new here.
There's a reason why we fast twice a week.
Was there a point in there somewhere?
Made it easier for you
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« Reply #68 on: April 07, 2013, 08:21:56 PM »

I've also never robbed a bank.  So what?

Alleged evil of smoking marijuana depends of its effects on its body and mind. Alleged evil of robbing a ban is objective. You have never tried it that means you cannot compare to alcohol/nicotine/coffeine-theine intoxication. That means you have no clue what you are posting about.
So, celibate priests shouldn't counsel people about family relations, sexual conduct, abortions, etc.  You continue to dig a hole which you cannot escape simply by attempting to justify recreational use of a drug.  Good luck with that.
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« Reply #69 on: April 07, 2013, 08:23:17 PM »

I've also never robbed a bank.  So what?

Alleged evil of smoking marijuana depends of its effects on its body and mind. Alleged evil of robbing a ban is objective. You have never tried it that means you cannot compare to alcohol/nicotine/coffeine-theine intoxication. That means you have no clue what you are posting about.
So, celibate priests shouldn't counsel people about family relations,

Right.

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Don't you drink alcohol?
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« Reply #70 on: April 07, 2013, 08:25:28 PM »

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I've also never robbed a bank.  So what?

Alleged evil of smoking marijuana depends of its effects on its body and mind. Alleged evil of robbing a ban is objective. You have never tried it that means you cannot compare to alcohol/nicotine/coffeine-theine intoxication. That means you have no clue what you are posting about.
So, celibate priests shouldn't counsel people about family relations, sexual conduct, abortions

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Don't you drink alcohol?
Wow!  

Cocaine, opium, heroin, khat and a long list of other drugs.  You still don't want to talk about those?  You certainly are selective in what you want to debate.  Rather than learn, grow and be honest, you'd rather dance in the same worn out pair of shoes.  

Do what you will, advocate for that which destroys, serve self rather than God.  The bottom line is you know better.  I just hope you're prepared to accept the consequences.
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Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
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« Reply #74 on: April 07, 2013, 08:35:59 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
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Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
Good for you.
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Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
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Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
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« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2013, 08:46:59 PM »

I've also never robbed a bank.  So what?

Alleged evil of smoking marijuana depends of its effects on its body and mind. Alleged evil of robbing a ban is objective. You have never tried it that means you cannot compare to alcohol/nicotine/coffeine-theine intoxication. That means you have no clue what you are posting about.
So, celibate priests shouldn't counsel people about family relations,

Right.

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You continue to dig a hole which you cannot escape simply by attempting to justify recreational use of a drug.  Good luck with that.

Don't you drink alcohol?
Wait, you didn't answer the question and support your claims.  Shouldn't you...oh, that's right.  Deflection and misdirection.  Sorry, I almost forgot the modern debating tactics.
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« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2013, 08:47:22 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven. 
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
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« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2013, 08:52:35 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
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« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2013, 09:00:07 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
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Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
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« Reply #84 on: April 07, 2013, 10:32:14 PM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
lol
Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
All I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone based on a single nasty habit.  If someone can't go two or three days a week and up to 138 other days a year without doing something, then it is a problem.  If every nasty habit and/or indulgence is a sin then stop drinking alcohol, smoking, consuming meat and dairy products, eating sugar, eating sweet fruits, eating rare foods, etc.
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« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2013, 06:48:08 AM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
Actually, I'm attempting to use the breaks, but the other passengers seem to enjoy the ride.
i enjoy the ride with a nice bowl of organic californian bud.
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Without knowingly doing so, my points are being proven.  
What, you think I'm trying to justify weed?
Would you laugh at an off hand comment about someone having sex without consent with a passed out drunk young lady?  No?  Then why the double standard?  Wrong is wrong and finding humor in that wrong and voicing your pleasure at the humor does nothing good.

If you do not support it, then you may not want to encourage it either.

But it was mainly for DR.
I do not support it for myself, I also don't go around telling people who do that they are going to go to hell.  Again, there are reasons we have fast days.
That's good, but only half so.

Neither do I.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?
All I'm saying is that it is wrong to judge someone based on a single nasty habit.  If someone can't go two or three days a week and up to 138 other days a year without doing something, then it is a problem.  If every nasty habit and/or indulgence is a sin then stop drinking alcohol, smoking, consuming meat and dairy products, eating sugar, eating sweet fruits, eating rare foods, etc.
I will never understand how people completely miss the point and then make empty points in an attempt to support...nothing, apparently.

Is getting high right or wrong?  This is the question.  It matters not if a person uses MJ, cocaine, Meth, MDMA, Hash, Spice, Salvia or any other drug chosen from a very extensive list of substances people use to recreationally get wasted.  Are we taught the occasional drunk is ok or than drunkenness is wrong?  I laugh when I see folks compare MJ to alcohol, but refuse to associate drunkenness with it, which is extremely telling and reveals the truth.  What you don't say is just as important as what you do.

It is wrong, it has always been wrong, it will always be wrong regardless of any hipster SNL comments a person ignorantly spews it a failed attempt to justify its use. 
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« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2013, 06:58:19 AM »

SNL?
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« Reply #87 on: April 08, 2013, 06:58:32 AM »

I've also never robbed a bank.  So what?

Alleged evil of smoking marijuana depends of its effects on its body and mind. Alleged evil of robbing a ban is objective. You have never tried it that means you cannot compare to alcohol/nicotine/coffeine-theine intoxication. That means you have no clue what you are posting about.
So, celibate priests shouldn't counsel people about family relations,

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You continue to dig a hole which you cannot escape simply by attempting to justify recreational use of a drug.  Good luck with that.

Don't you drink alcohol?
I remember the part of the bible where Jesus turned water into wine.

I must've missed the part where he rolled one doobie and multiplied it as he passed them around to his disciples.  Grin
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« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2013, 07:02:25 AM »

Spiral of insanity and Kerdy is driving the train
It would seem that way............if your were stoned.

Take another hit or pass that sucker. Grin

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« Reply #89 on: April 08, 2013, 07:05:56 AM »

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That's what happens when you have a discussion with people who are high, man.

You ever try arguing with a drunk?  Wink
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