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Offline Virtual Paradise

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Orthodoxy and reason
« on: March 28, 2013, 06:40:54 PM »
What does reason play in Orthodox methodology? Is there such a thing as an Orthodox Scholasticism, or an Orthodox correspondence or substitute for Scholasticism outside mystics?

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Re: Orthodoxy and reason
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2013, 05:51:00 AM »
What does reason play in Orthodox methodology? Is there such a thing as an Orthodox Scholasticism, or an Orthodox correspondence or substitute for Scholasticism outside mystics?

I've read that around the time of hesychast controversy, scholasticism was popular in many places in the East, among philosophers and such. After that controversy ended and St. Gregory Palamas had defeated Barlaam the Calabrian, I don't think scholasticism was too popular anymore in those quarters. At least the Church combatted it.
This may be wrong, but according to what I remember from a particular book, the philosophers interested in reviving Greek pagan philosophy also often embraced scholasticism.

I am only an inquirier into Orthodoxy, so I may be terribly wrong here. Keep that in mind.

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Re: Orthodoxy and reason
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 05:59:48 AM »
What does reason play in Orthodox methodology? Is there such a thing as an Orthodox Scholasticism, or an Orthodox correspondence or substitute for Scholasticism outside mystics?

For something contemporary and relevant, I would highly recommend:

Being as Communion by Metropolitan John Zizioulas

http://www.amazon.com/Being-Communion-Personhood-Contemporary-Theologians/dp/0881410292
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Re: Orthodoxy and reason
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 06:39:57 AM »
What does reason play in Orthodox methodology? Is there such a thing as an Orthodox Scholasticism, or an Orthodox correspondence or substitute for Scholasticism outside mystics?

I've read that around the time of hesychast controversy, scholasticism was popular in many places in the East, among philosophers and such. After that controversy ended and St. Gregory Palamas had defeated Barlaam the Calabrian, I don't think scholasticism was too popular anymore in those quarters. At least the Church combatted it.
This may be wrong, but according to what I remember from a particular book, the philosophers interested in reviving Greek pagan philosophy also often embraced scholasticism.

I am only an inquirier into Orthodoxy, so I may be terribly wrong here. Keep that in mind.

The first thing that popped my mind after reading the headline was that now somebody is going to write that reason is a Western innovation and/or heresy. And I here I find it in the first post.
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Re: Orthodoxy and reason
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2013, 08:05:10 AM »
What does reason play in Orthodox methodology? Is there such a thing as an Orthodox Scholasticism, or an Orthodox correspondence or substitute for Scholasticism outside mystics?

I've read that around the time of hesychast controversy, scholasticism was popular in many places in the East, among philosophers and such. After that controversy ended and St. Gregory Palamas had defeated Barlaam the Calabrian, I don't think scholasticism was too popular anymore in those quarters. At least the Church combatted it.
This may be wrong, but according to what I remember from a particular book, the philosophers interested in reviving Greek pagan philosophy also often embraced scholasticism.

I am only an inquirier into Orthodoxy, so I may be terribly wrong here. Keep that in mind.

Wasn't St Gregory of Palamas whose celebration is this Sunday, pretty "scholastic" himself?


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Re: Orthodoxy and reason
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2013, 12:51:59 AM »
Take a look at this article:

Aristotle Papanikolaou, "Reasonable Faith and a Trinitarian Logic," in Restoring Faith in Reason.

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Re: Orthodoxy and reason
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 11:10:45 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 11:48:43 PM »
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Re: Orthodoxy and reason
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 12:29:48 PM »
What does reason play in Orthodox methodology? Is there such a thing as an Orthodox Scholasticism, or an Orthodox correspondence or substitute for Scholasticism outside mystics?

For something contemporary and relevant, I would highly recommend:

Being as Communion by Metropolitan John Zizioulas

http://www.amazon.com/Being-Communion-Personhood-Contemporary-Theologians/dp/0881410292
Very interesting. Sounds very much like the concept of being proposed by Norris Clarke in his Person and Being.
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