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« Reply #225 on: September 19, 2013, 07:12:56 PM »
We don't have a tinfoil hat smiley.

No influence....  No harm done.... All tin foil hat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy0iM4ts0ZE

Even the poor girl making his video is wearing a shirt called "broken vessels".

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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #226 on: September 19, 2013, 07:14:32 PM »

Showing 2 billion views on Youtube   

I wonder how many of those were her refreshing the page...
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #227 on: September 19, 2013, 07:36:02 PM »
To dominate the world and amke us believe in satanism?

In that case, they are doing a horrible job. Jehovah's Witnesses are doing better than them.

They are actually doing a great job.  The idea of satanism is to become god of one's self, as lucifer did.  This is also the basis of atheism - that if somebody does what they want, there is no punishment or reward eternally.   This is also taught by crowley, "do what thy wilt".

As stated, go to youtube and watch "die young" by Ke$ha.  65 million views.  Full of anti-Christian values, upside down crosses, all seeing eyes.

Go to youtube and watch "we can't stop" by Mylea cyrus with over 400 million views.   "Do what I want" over and over again on the songs.  All seeing eye tattoo on her finger.

This stuff is real.  The objective is to bring people into eternal damnation.

There is absolutely no proof that any of these people have any connections to Masonry, no matter how unchristian their music videos may be.



Except the fact their videos are loaded with masonic symbolism, along with illuminati symbolism (which by the way, the illuminati & freemasonry are intertwined.    We aren't talking about Uncle Joe that belongs to the lodge masonry either... (which is still wrong).  We are talking about elite masons here.

Many masonic symbols are something, which the masons adopted from the surrounding culture. Lots of lodges and fraternities did that, not just the masons. But let us imagine that there does exist a secret masonic elite who seeks to lead the world astray. Why are they putting their symbols all over the place if their goal is to remain hidden? Wouldn't it be smarter to just make the music videos without the symbols, in order to avoid everything that could connect them to the videos?

Besides, how big are the chances that a random person, who happens to be watching these videos, will recognize or even notice those symbols? Most people outside the internet are largely ignorant of freemasonry and the symbols they use.

The whole idea just seems incredibly illogical.

I don't know why, but they are getting more bold as the years pass.   Look at how outrageous the video have gotten compared to years past?  People like Ozzy Osborne were considered "outrageous" in the 1980's, and a few photos exist of him with upside down crosses etc.  He was fringe in ways... As was Marylin Manson.

Today the largest artists are presenting this ideology in their lyrics and symbols.  Ke$ha, Lady gaga, Cyrus, Kayne West - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccPm3CdP3Uo, and many other artists, and in many movies.

Not to be insulting to anybody in particular... But sometimes I wonder how some of you believe in God.  When there is such blatant obvious in your face proof of these symbols and teachings being broadcasted to MILLIONS of people..... Yet it is denied.

Yet one will proclaim faith in God through ancient scriptures... Some with not known authors.

Look, this is very real.  There are a lot of lines being drawn in the sand right now.  Many world economies are on the verge of collapse.  One world currency could be on our doorstep soon.  Morals & families are shrinking fast... Atheism is at an all time high.  Gays are openly marrying, wars and rumors of wars...

I run a farm, and people are buying up my young livestock like crazy preparing for the end times.  It's actually very scary to see the volume of people coming to buy and start their farming.  Many of like-minded belief.

It still isn't enough to convince me. You say you don't know why they are doing it, they just are.

And there are no wars going on right know, that are even close to be worse than anything, humanity have done before. People today haven't experienced the World Wars, fewer yet have even read about the countless wars that went on for decades and caused the death of millions, the plague that wiped out half of Europe etc.

What exactly is the World going through now, that is so much worse, that it, appearently is foreshadowing the End? Nothing about the present economic situation is much worse than what we saw under the great depression. I am reminding you about the Germany, where children used money as building blocks.

I already told you why I think they are doing it.  To drag people to hell.

There are many wars going on right now, I have no idea what you are talking about.  There are also many rumors of wars going on right now.

The world is going through devastation right now.     According to WHO, there are 125,000 abortions performed every day in the WORLD. http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/.  I'm sure God counts this as a massive loss of life.   So many lives per year slaughtered (40-50 million)

Atheism is growing like crazy http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/14/the-best-charts-about-the-rise-of-the-nones-youll-see-all-year/

There are massive breakdowns in family (divorce), less people getting married, and less people wanting children.

Morals.... We need not say.  It's easy enough to read the scriptures and see God telling us that "looking at a woman lustfully" is adultery in the heart.   How many on here an Orthodox forum are addicted to porn? (not judging).

Gays are being allowed to marry, even in the church.  Today the Pope even told the church not to judge them and be more accepting (abomination anyone?).

It's directly in front of people who choose to see it.

The number of wars going on right now is not greater than the number of wars that took place in the past. Again, people need to look back at what humanity have experienced throughout history.

No one is denying that the world is going through a lot of turmoil in these days, and yes, from a christian point of view, there are a lot of things going on, that are horrible, but we should be careful, when talking about the end of the world. There have been numerous times, where people have proclaimed that Judgement Day was near, only to see the world recover again.   

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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #228 on: September 19, 2013, 08:10:21 PM »
Also, if I have read it correctly, according to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (the Gordon-Conwell Seminary) there are fewer atheists today, than in 1970, while Christianity and Islam is growing (I'm sorry that I can't find a prober link, I read it in the newspaper).
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« Reply #229 on: September 19, 2013, 08:50:33 PM »
Also, I'm inclined to doubt that it's wise to believe everything you hear, especially what's on You Tube.
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« Reply #230 on: September 19, 2013, 09:01:26 PM »
Also, I'm inclined to doubt that it's wise to believe everything you hear, especially what's on You Tube.

Well, it's hard to ignore when they are showing evidence... I mean the lady is wearing pentagrams, the video is showing upside down crosses, and she has a baphomet tarot card...

We all know these things are wrong & evil.  The view counts are disturbing, and they are sucking in the youth in droves with this stuff.

Even if on the Worship side of Christianity people disagree on specific church stuff, I think we can all agree that this lady is promoting a vile and evil agenda to her listeners.
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« Reply #231 on: September 19, 2013, 09:20:58 PM »
To dominate the world and amke us believe in satanism?

In that case, they are doing a horrible job. Jehovah's Witnesses are doing better than them.

They are actually doing a great job.  The idea of satanism is to become god of one's self, as lucifer did.  This is also the basis of atheism - that if somebody does what they want, there is no punishment or reward eternally.   This is also taught by crowley, "do what thy wilt".

As stated, go to youtube and watch "die young" by Ke$ha.  65 million views.  Full of anti-Christian values, upside down crosses, all seeing eyes.

Go to youtube and watch "we can't stop" by Mylea cyrus with over 400 million views.   "Do what I want" over and over again on the songs.  All seeing eye tattoo on her finger.

This stuff is real.  The objective is to bring people into eternal damnation.

There is absolutely no proof that any of these people have any connections to Masonry, no matter how unchristian their music videos may be.



Except the fact their videos are loaded with masonic symbolism, along with illuminati symbolism (which by the way, the illuminati & freemasonry are intertwined.    We aren't talking about Uncle Joe that belongs to the lodge masonry either... (which is still wrong).  We are talking about elite masons here.

Many masonic symbols are something, which the masons adopted from the surrounding culture. Lots of lodges and fraternities did that, not just the masons. But let us imagine that there does exist a secret masonic elite who seeks to lead the world astray. Why are they putting their symbols all over the place if their goal is to remain hidden? Wouldn't it be smarter to just make the music videos without the symbols, in order to avoid everything that could connect them to the videos?

Besides, how big are the chances that a random person, who happens to be watching these videos, will recognize or even notice those symbols? Most people outside the internet are largely ignorant of freemasonry and the symbols they use.

The whole idea just seems incredibly illogical.

I don't know why, but they are getting more bold as the years pass.   Look at how outrageous the video have gotten compared to years past?  People like Ozzy Osborne were considered "outrageous" in the 1980's, and a few photos exist of him with upside down crosses etc.  He was fringe in ways... As was Marylin Manson.

Today the largest artists are presenting this ideology in their lyrics and symbols.  Ke$ha, Lady gaga, Cyrus, Kayne West - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccPm3CdP3Uo, and many other artists, and in many movies.

Not to be insulting to anybody in particular... But sometimes I wonder how some of you believe in God.  When there is such blatant obvious in your face proof of these symbols and teachings being broadcasted to MILLIONS of people..... Yet it is denied.

Yet one will proclaim faith in God through ancient scriptures... Some with not known authors.

Look, this is very real.  There are a lot of lines being drawn in the sand right now.  Many world economies are on the verge of collapse.  One world currency could be on our doorstep soon.  Morals & families are shrinking fast... Atheism is at an all time high.  Gays are openly marrying, wars and rumors of wars...

I run a farm, and people are buying up my young livestock like crazy preparing for the end times.  It's actually very scary to see the volume of people coming to buy and start their farming.  Many of like-minded belief.

It still isn't enough to convince me. You say you don't know why they are doing it, they just are.

And there are no wars going on right know, that are even close to be worse than anything, humanity have done before. People today haven't experienced the World Wars, fewer yet have even read about the countless wars that went on for decades and caused the death of millions, the plague that wiped out half of Europe etc.

What exactly is the World going through now, that is so much worse, that it, appearently is foreshadowing the End? Nothing about the present economic situation is much worse than what we saw under the great depression. I am reminding you about the Germany, where children used money as building blocks.

I already told you why I think they are doing it.  To drag people to hell.

There are many wars going on right now, I have no idea what you are talking about.  There are also many rumors of wars going on right now.

The world is going through devastation right now.     According to WHO, there are 125,000 abortions performed every day in the WORLD. http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/.  I'm sure God counts this as a massive loss of life.   So many lives per year slaughtered (40-50 million)

Atheism is growing like crazy http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/14/the-best-charts-about-the-rise-of-the-nones-youll-see-all-year/

There are massive breakdowns in family (divorce), less people getting married, and less people wanting children.

Morals.... We need not say.  It's easy enough to read the scriptures and see God telling us that "looking at a woman lustfully" is adultery in the heart.   How many on here an Orthodox forum are addicted to porn? (not judging).

Gays are being allowed to marry, even in the church.  Today the Pope even told the church not to judge them and be more accepting (abomination anyone?).

It's directly in front of people who choose to see it.

The number of wars going on right now is not greater than the number of wars that took place in the past. Again, people need to look back at what humanity have experienced throughout history.

No one is denying that the world is going through a lot of turmoil in these days, and yes, from a christian point of view, there are a lot of things going on, that are horrible, but we should be careful, when talking about the end of the world. There have been numerous times, where people have proclaimed that Judgement Day was near, only to see the world recover again.   



But there are wars and rumors of war.  (Iran, N. Korea, Syria).
People being murdered in droves through abortion.
The 3rd temple is being rebuilt.
Consider the towns spoken in prophecy such as Damascus (Syria), Babylon (Iraq), and the historic Tyre (which was never rebuilt), having events centered around them.

As far as atheism is concerned, we have other terms now that use to include "atheist".  Like humanists.  Though not modern, agnostics is another term which is close to atheists.   Humanists and agnostics are absolutely on the rise.

I believe there is a strong showing of people hating God fearing families as well.  Such as the Duggar family, that is often scorned by many (including Christians) where children aren't blessings.

Somewhere I read the quote - "In the bible debt is a curse and children are blessings, but today people apply for debt and don't want children"...  That is the mentality to many people....  There is an overall attitude I'm seeing, which is on a global scale, which is embracing the lies of Science and it sways off faith.

Then there is the OBVIOUS movies and songs promoting the satanic agenda to the masses.  People accept them today with open arms....

Obviously there is also an interesting question of faith I present.   Since so many deny that Ke$ha is not promoting Satanism, is not using illuminati/mason symbols, with evidence in front of their face. (She even admits to having sex with an "evil ghost"), then how in the world do some of you have faith in God from ancient texts and traditions?

Ke$ha in her own words ADMITS that the dark forces are "cool".  She obviously is very famous, obviously very satanic, and absolutely uses illuminati/mason symbols.   Widely accepted.

It's come far from Elvis shaking his hips and the shock & horror.

So yes, I believe this widely accepted behavior and sinful nature is a true sign the end times are here/approaching.
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #232 on: September 19, 2013, 09:22:14 PM »

Showing 2 billion views on Youtube   

I wonder how many of those were her refreshing the page...

LOL, I seriously would like for it to be that way.... Unfortunately... with her fame... no.
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« Reply #233 on: September 19, 2013, 09:23:46 PM »

Showing 2 billion views on Youtube   

I wonder how many of those were her refreshing the page...

LOL, I seriously would like for it to be that way.... Unfortunately... with her fame... no.
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« Reply #234 on: September 19, 2013, 09:24:36 PM »
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So yes, I believe this widely accepted behavior and sinful nature is a true sign the end times are here/approaching.

Care to set a date then? How about changing your screen name to Jack Van Impe too?

People have been saying this for 2000 years. Get a grip.

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« Reply #235 on: September 19, 2013, 09:33:45 PM »
Here is the thing with people like Ke$ha.  They do and say outrageous things because their like of work kind of requires it.   If you are going to make a name for yourself in the music industry, you have to be viewed and an eccentric and she does that quite well. Her message is definitely one of self-gratification, but to say there is something deeper where she is promoting satanism or something is just ridiculous.  Criticize her for the poor example she demonstrates by glorifying endless binge drinking, sex and crassness, but coming up with some theory of a nefarious illuminati plot makes your arguments look silly.
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« Reply #236 on: September 19, 2013, 11:28:24 PM »
See, you have to consider how something 'takes over the world'.  I don't think Ke$ha will take over the world.   I believe she worships satan, belongs to the illuminati, and is the perfect performer to convince a bunch of drooling hormone raging guys to give credence to her perverted satanic messages.   They are too busy looking at her butt and at her cleavage to even notice that the cleavage is being displayed through an upside down cross....   Even here on this thread people are calling her cute....

Showing 2 billion views on Youtube (all vids combined) to youth of her sinful messages is far from cute.  This woman is dangerous to souls.   

No wonder atheism is "growing like crazy". 
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« Reply #237 on: September 20, 2013, 05:30:26 AM »
To dominate the world and amke us believe in satanism?

In that case, they are doing a horrible job. Jehovah's Witnesses are doing better than them.

They are actually doing a great job.  The idea of satanism is to become god of one's self, as lucifer did.  This is also the basis of atheism - that if somebody does what they want, there is no punishment or reward eternally.   This is also taught by crowley, "do what thy wilt".

As stated, go to youtube and watch "die young" by Ke$ha.  65 million views.  Full of anti-Christian values, upside down crosses, all seeing eyes.

Go to youtube and watch "we can't stop" by Mylea cyrus with over 400 million views.   "Do what I want" over and over again on the songs.  All seeing eye tattoo on her finger.

This stuff is real.  The objective is to bring people into eternal damnation.

There is absolutely no proof that any of these people have any connections to Masonry, no matter how unchristian their music videos may be.



Except the fact their videos are loaded with masonic symbolism, along with illuminati symbolism (which by the way, the illuminati & freemasonry are intertwined.    We aren't talking about Uncle Joe that belongs to the lodge masonry either... (which is still wrong).  We are talking about elite masons here.

Many masonic symbols are something, which the masons adopted from the surrounding culture. Lots of lodges and fraternities did that, not just the masons. But let us imagine that there does exist a secret masonic elite who seeks to lead the world astray. Why are they putting their symbols all over the place if their goal is to remain hidden? Wouldn't it be smarter to just make the music videos without the symbols, in order to avoid everything that could connect them to the videos?

Besides, how big are the chances that a random person, who happens to be watching these videos, will recognize or even notice those symbols? Most people outside the internet are largely ignorant of freemasonry and the symbols they use.

The whole idea just seems incredibly illogical.

I don't know why, but they are getting more bold as the years pass.   Look at how outrageous the video have gotten compared to years past?  People like Ozzy Osborne were considered "outrageous" in the 1980's, and a few photos exist of him with upside down crosses etc.  He was fringe in ways... As was Marylin Manson.

Today the largest artists are presenting this ideology in their lyrics and symbols.  Ke$ha, Lady gaga, Cyrus, Kayne West - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccPm3CdP3Uo, and many other artists, and in many movies.

Not to be insulting to anybody in particular... But sometimes I wonder how some of you believe in God.  When there is such blatant obvious in your face proof of these symbols and teachings being broadcasted to MILLIONS of people..... Yet it is denied.

Yet one will proclaim faith in God through ancient scriptures... Some with not known authors.

Look, this is very real.  There are a lot of lines being drawn in the sand right now.  Many world economies are on the verge of collapse.  One world currency could be on our doorstep soon.  Morals & families are shrinking fast... Atheism is at an all time high.  Gays are openly marrying, wars and rumors of wars...

I run a farm, and people are buying up my young livestock like crazy preparing for the end times.  It's actually very scary to see the volume of people coming to buy and start their farming.  Many of like-minded belief.

It still isn't enough to convince me. You say you don't know why they are doing it, they just are.

And there are no wars going on right know, that are even close to be worse than anything, humanity have done before. People today haven't experienced the World Wars, fewer yet have even read about the countless wars that went on for decades and caused the death of millions, the plague that wiped out half of Europe etc.

What exactly is the World going through now, that is so much worse, that it, appearently is foreshadowing the End? Nothing about the present economic situation is much worse than what we saw under the great depression. I am reminding you about the Germany, where children used money as building blocks.

I already told you why I think they are doing it.  To drag people to hell.

There are many wars going on right now, I have no idea what you are talking about.  There are also many rumors of wars going on right now.

The world is going through devastation right now.     According to WHO, there are 125,000 abortions performed every day in the WORLD. http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/.  I'm sure God counts this as a massive loss of life.   So many lives per year slaughtered (40-50 million)

Atheism is growing like crazy http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/14/the-best-charts-about-the-rise-of-the-nones-youll-see-all-year/

There are massive breakdowns in family (divorce), less people getting married, and less people wanting children.

Morals.... We need not say.  It's easy enough to read the scriptures and see God telling us that "looking at a woman lustfully" is adultery in the heart.   How many on here an Orthodox forum are addicted to porn? (not judging).

Gays are being allowed to marry, even in the church.  Today the Pope even told the church not to judge them and be more accepting (abomination anyone?).

It's directly in front of people who choose to see it.

The number of wars going on right now is not greater than the number of wars that took place in the past. Again, people need to look back at what humanity have experienced throughout history.

No one is denying that the world is going through a lot of turmoil in these days, and yes, from a christian point of view, there are a lot of things going on, that are horrible, but we should be careful, when talking about the end of the world. There have been numerous times, where people have proclaimed that Judgement Day was near, only to see the world recover again.   



But there are wars and rumors of war.  (Iran, N. Korea, Syria).
People being murdered in droves through abortion.
The 3rd temple is being rebuilt.
Consider the towns spoken in prophecy such as Damascus (Syria), Babylon (Iraq), and the historic Tyre (which was never rebuilt), having events centered around them.

As far as atheism is concerned, we have other terms now that use to include "atheist".  Like humanists.  Though not modern, agnostics is another term which is close to atheists.   Humanists and agnostics are absolutely on the rise.

I believe there is a strong showing of people hating God fearing families as well.  Such as the Duggar family, that is often scorned by many (including Christians) where children aren't blessings.

Somewhere I read the quote - "In the bible debt is a curse and children are blessings, but today people apply for debt and don't want children"...  That is the mentality to many people....  There is an overall attitude I'm seeing, which is on a global scale, which is embracing the lies of Science and it sways off faith.

Then there is the OBVIOUS movies and songs promoting the satanic agenda to the masses.  People accept them today with open arms....

Obviously there is also an interesting question of faith I present.   Since so many deny that Ke$ha is not promoting Satanism, is not using illuminati/mason symbols, with evidence in front of their face. (She even admits to having sex with an "evil ghost"), then how in the world do some of you have faith in God from ancient texts and traditions?

Ke$ha in her own words ADMITS that the dark forces are "cool".  She obviously is very famous, obviously very satanic, and absolutely uses illuminati/mason symbols.   Widely accepted.

It's come far from Elvis shaking his hips and the shock & horror.

So yes, I believe this widely accepted behavior and sinful nature is a true sign the end times are here/approaching.

There have been "rumors of war" in North Korea for the last 50 years. They don't have the military power to take on the West and the country is getting increasingly unpopular in China. The Middle East have been in perpetual crisis since colonial times.

And...

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html


The statistics show that the number of abortions, on a global scale, are dropping. Yes, there are still many taking place (which is horrible), but if the developing world follows a path, just slightly similar to that of the developed, then, we will at least be moving in the right direction.
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #238 on: September 20, 2013, 06:24:49 AM »
Even the poor girl making his video is wearing a shirt called "broken vessels".

I'm pretty sure that's a Christian music group, though I don't recall what the scriptural reference is off-hand (I think it's to something of St. Paul's).
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« Reply #239 on: September 20, 2013, 06:56:08 AM »
I wonder what Jeff Godwin would say about Ke$ha.
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #241 on: September 20, 2013, 08:24:15 AM »
I wonder what Jeff Godwin would say about Ke$ha.
Ahh, I haven't heard that name in quite some time.  On a funny kind-of-nostalgic side note, my uncle who is a Jack Chick type, was complaining that not enough people "walk the aisle" anymore.  It has been so long since I attended a church like that that I just had a confused look on my face. My mom had to remind me what "walking the aisle" was.  

Funny fundies.  :D
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« Reply #242 on: September 20, 2013, 08:39:44 AM »
I thought her videographic musical representations were wonderful moral stories in the vein of Aesop, Brothers Grimm, and Mother Goose.  I mean, just her lyrics for "Tik Tok" is reminiscent of "Hickory Dickory Dock", but with motifs of war and freedom.  An example:
Don't Stop, Make it pop
DJ blow my speakers up
Tonight, I'mma fight
'Til we see the sun light
Tick tock, on the clock
But the party don't stop, no
Whoa whoa oho x2

The first two lines of this chorus is in reference to the rumors of war coming from North Korea.  DJ is inreference to Don Juan.  Kim Jong-il ("Jong" also starts with the letter "J") fancied himself a Don Juan.  His son, Kim Jong-un (Another "J"), is very similar, also fueling rumors that he  "[W]on't stop."  DJ (or "Da Js[Jongs{the Kim dynasty of North Korea}]).  Ke$ha calls for the civilized world to fight, right now, "Tonight."  It is not helpful or humane to wait to stop the evil-doers.  She also callss to fight until "we [those righteous warriors] see the sun light."  This references and/or symbolizes the triumph of light over darkness, but also, if we look at Scriptural symbolism, the "sun" and the "light" (Notice, it's not "sunlight", but "sun" and "light") reference Christ.  "Tick Tock" calls us to remember that time is a human construct.  "But the party don't stop" reminds us that the Communist parties of the world "don't stop" even if North Korea is liberated.  "Whoa" etc. reminds us to stop and think, lest we become like slaves to promises of the People's Paradise.

My two cents.
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #243 on: September 20, 2013, 08:43:34 AM »
I thought her videographic musical representations were wonderful moral stories in the vein of Aesop, Brothers Grimm, and Mother Goose.  I mean, just her lyrics for "Tik Tok" is reminiscent of "Hickory Dickory Dock", but with motifs of war and freedom.  An example:
Don't Stop, Make it pop
DJ blow my speakers up
Tonight, I'mma fight
'Til we see the sun light
Tick tock, on the clock
But the party don't stop, no
Whoa whoa oho x2

The first two lines of this chorus is in reference to the rumors of war coming from North Korea.  DJ is inreference to Don Juan.  Kim Jong-il ("Jong" also starts with the letter "J") fancied himself a Don Juan.  His son, Kim Jong-un (Another "J"), is very similar, also fueling rumors that he  "[W]on't stop."  DJ (or "Da Js[Jongs{the Kim dynasty of North Korea}]).  Ke$ha calls for the civilized world to fight, right now, "Tonight."  It is not helpful or humane to wait to stop the evil-doers.  She also callss to fight until "we [those righteous warriors] see the sun light."  This references and/or symbolizes the triumph of light over darkness, but also, if we look at Scriptural symbolism, the "sun" and the "light" (Notice, it's not "sunlight", but "sun" and "light") reference Christ.  "Tick Tock" calls us to remember that time is a human construct.  "But the party don't stop" reminds us that the Communist parties of the world "don't stop" even if North Korea is liberated.  "Whoa" etc. reminds us to stop and think, lest we become like slaves to promises of the People's Paradise.

My two cents.
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #244 on: September 20, 2013, 08:51:57 AM »
I wonder what Jeff Godwin would say about Ke$ha.
Ahh, I haven't heard that name in quite some time.  On a funny kind-of-nostalgic side note, my uncle who is a Jack Chick type, was complaining that not enough people "walk the aisle" anymore.  It has been so long since I attended a church like that that I just had a confused look on my face. My mom had to remind me what "walking the aisle" was.  

Funny fundies.  :D
 
There are still many Southern Baptist churches that do it, even the mainline megachurch-type.  But cool-guy-pastor megachurches, you can just close your eyes and believe that your life will be changed.  Maybe raise your hand.  And pay attention to the sweet jam session on the stage.
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« Reply #245 on: September 20, 2013, 08:53:03 AM »
I wonder what Jeff Godwin would say about Ke$ha.
Ahh, I haven't heard that name in quite some time.  On a funny kind-of-nostalgic side note, my uncle who is a Jack Chick type, was complaining that not enough people "walk the aisle" anymore.  It has been so long since I attended a church like that that I just had a confused look on my face. My mom had to remind me what "walking the aisle" was.  

Funny fundies.  :D
 
There are still many Southern Baptist churches that do it, even the mainline megachurch-type.  But cool-guy-pastor megachurches, you can just close your eyes and believe that your life will be changed.  Maybe raise your hand.  And pay attention to the sweet jam session on the stage.
Or catch the video while drinking coffee at the church coffee bar.  That is really the source of all enlightenment.
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #246 on: September 20, 2013, 08:54:49 AM »
I wonder what Jeff Godwin would say about Ke$ha.
Ahh, I haven't heard that name in quite some time.  On a funny kind-of-nostalgic side note, my uncle who is a Jack Chick type, was complaining that not enough people "walk the aisle" anymore.  It has been so long since I attended a church like that that I just had a confused look on my face. My mom had to remind me what "walking the aisle" was.  

Funny fundies.  :D
 
There are still many Southern Baptist churches that do it, even the mainline megachurch-type.  But cool-guy-pastor megachurches, you can just close your eyes and believe that your life will be changed.  Maybe raise your hand.  And pay attention to the sweet jam session on the stage.
Or catch the video while drinking coffee at the church coffee bar.  That is really the source of all enlightenment.

That takes too much time.  Just pull it up on your smartphone, while still in bed, and catch the livestream.
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« Reply #247 on: September 20, 2013, 08:59:10 AM »
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« Reply #248 on: September 20, 2013, 09:13:01 AM »
House of God.  Holiness-Pentacostal.  Must be the real church then. ::)
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« Reply #249 on: September 20, 2013, 09:40:21 AM »
If the freemasons are gonna take over the world, they better get a move on it.  Almost all of them are over 80 yrs old and pretty decrepit.

You obviously never talk to black people.

in some states, such as TN, black men can not join the Lodge. They instead have to join a Prince Hall Lodge that also is not recognized by those states

Absolutely false.

I wish that it were false, but as I have stated previously in this thread it is not.

I know what you stated. I am saying that what you stated was false. Repeating yourself will not change that.

So you're telling me that my friends and coworkers lied to me? Why would they make that up? Why would I have a black friend tell me that he tried to join a lodge here in TN only to find out that they don't allow blacks in, so he joined a Prince Hall lodge? Why would I have a white friend tell me that he was distressed because he was not able help one his black friends join the lodge? I guess we're all just a bunch of racists around these parts!

Everybody must just be full or lies around here.  ::)

No, they frankly just didn't understand. There is no such thing as "white" or "black" Masonry.

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« Reply #250 on: September 20, 2013, 10:37:18 AM »
If the freemasons are gonna take over the world, they better get a move on it.  Almost all of them are over 80 yrs old and pretty decrepit.

You obviously never talk to black people.

in some states, such as TN, black men can not join the Lodge. They instead have to join a Prince Hall Lodge that also is not recognized by those states

Absolutely false.

I wish that it were false, but as I have stated previously in this thread it is not.

I know what you stated. I am saying that what you stated was false. Repeating yourself will not change that.

So you're telling me that my friends and coworkers lied to me? Why would they make that up? Why would I have a black friend tell me that he tried to join a lodge here in TN only to find out that they don't allow blacks in, so he joined a Prince Hall lodge? Why would I have a white friend tell me that he was distressed because he was not able help one his black friends join the lodge? I guess we're all just a bunch of racists around these parts!

Everybody must just be full or lies around here.  ::)

No, they frankly just didn't understand. There is no such thing as "white" or "black" Masonry.

I don't think that they think there is, they just don't allow blacks in. And as I have shown previously, this is not just one or two lodges. even the former Grand Secretary told me that blacks were not allowed in the entire state. It seems like you frankly just don't understand that each state is different
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« Reply #251 on: September 20, 2013, 10:39:13 AM »
If the freemasons are gonna take over the world, they better get a move on it.  Almost all of them are over 80 yrs old and pretty decrepit.

You obviously never talk to black people.

in some states, such as TN, black men can not join the Lodge. They instead have to join a Prince Hall Lodge that also is not recognized by those states

Absolutely false.

I wish that it were false, but as I have stated previously in this thread it is not.

I know what you stated. I am saying that what you stated was false. Repeating yourself will not change that.

So you're telling me that my friends and coworkers lied to me? Why would they make that up? Why would I have a black friend tell me that he tried to join a lodge here in TN only to find out that they don't allow blacks in, so he joined a Prince Hall lodge? Why would I have a white friend tell me that he was distressed because he was not able help one his black friends join the lodge? I guess we're all just a bunch of racists around these parts!

Everybody must just be full or lies around here.  ::)

No, they frankly just didn't understand. There is no such thing as "white" or "black" Masonry.

I don't think that they think there is, they just don't allow blacks in. And as I have shown previously, this is not just one or two lodges. even the former Grand Secretary told me that blacks were not allowed in the entire state. It seems like you frankly just don't understand that each state is different
Why would a high up in the organization say that when their website clearly states something to the contrary.  Something doesn't make sense.
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« Reply #252 on: September 20, 2013, 11:02:42 AM »
Why would a high up in the organization say that when their website clearly states something to the contrary.  Something doesn't make sense.

Or it's just another Masonic plot.
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« Reply #253 on: September 20, 2013, 11:40:48 AM »
Why would a high up in the organization say that when their website clearly states something to the contrary.  Something doesn't make sense.

Or it's just another Masonic plot.

Yes, they feed all members with lies, but at the top is where the truth of the matter is.  BTW, Ke$ha is there and she is a racist.
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« Reply #254 on: September 20, 2013, 11:56:44 AM »
I thought her videographic musical representations were wonderful moral stories in the vein of Aesop, Brothers Grimm, and Mother Goose.  I mean, just her lyrics for "Tik Tok" is reminiscent of "Hickory Dickory Dock", but with motifs of war and freedom.  An example:
Don't Stop, Make it pop
DJ blow my speakers up
Tonight, I'mma fight
'Til we see the sun light
Tick tock, on the clock
But the party don't stop, no
Whoa whoa oho x2

The first two lines of this chorus is in reference to the rumors of war coming from North Korea.  DJ is inreference to Don Juan.  Kim Jong-il ("Jong" also starts with the letter "J") fancied himself a Don Juan.  His son, Kim Jong-un (Another "J"), is very similar, also fueling rumors that he  "[W]on't stop."  DJ (or "Da Js[Jongs{the Kim dynasty of North Korea}]).  Ke$ha calls for the civilized world to fight, right now, "Tonight."  It is not helpful or humane to wait to stop the evil-doers.  She also callss to fight until "we [those righteous warriors] see the sun light."  This references and/or symbolizes the triumph of light over darkness, but also, if we look at Scriptural symbolism, the "sun" and the "light" (Notice, it's not "sunlight", but "sun" and "light") reference Christ.  "Tick Tock" calls us to remember that time is a human construct.  "But the party don't stop" reminds us that the Communist parties of the world "don't stop" even if North Korea is liberated.  "Whoa" etc. reminds us to stop and think, lest we become like slaves to promises of the People's Paradise.

My two cents.

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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #255 on: September 20, 2013, 11:59:38 AM »
This is true religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOmZhhNNElM

I'm inclined to say it's neither, but, gosh, that would so judgmental of me......... OK, it's neither.
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« Reply #256 on: September 20, 2013, 12:01:28 PM »
I hope coffee played well with keyboard.

I agree with your thoughts.  But one point:  Ke$ha is not pretending to be an Orthodox Christian leading the choir at Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow.  She's a pop "star" and if any person that claims to be a Christian thinks her music is good (wholesome, uplifting, or nice to listen to), I just don't know what to tell you.
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« Reply #257 on: September 20, 2013, 12:03:30 PM »
I hope coffee played well with keyboard.

I agree with your thoughts.  But one point:  Ke$ha is not pretending to be an Orthodox Christian leading the choir at Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow.  She's a pop "star" and if any person that claims to be a Christian thinks her music is good (wholesome, uplifting, or nice to listen to), I just don't know what to tell you.

Agreed, of course.

And thank God, not all pop artists are like her. Some are actually literate and touch the heart, like Adele.  For example, http://www.metrolyrics.com/someone-like-you-lyrics-adele.html
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« Reply #258 on: September 20, 2013, 12:11:23 PM »
I hope coffee played well with keyboard.

I agree with your thoughts.  But one point:  Ke$ha is not pretending to be an Orthodox Christian leading the choir at Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow.  She's a pop "star" and if any person that claims to be a Christian thinks her music is good (wholesome, uplifting, or nice to listen to), I just don't know what to tell you.

Agreed, of course.

And thank God, not all pop artists are like her. Some are actually literate and touch the heart, like Adele.  For example, http://www.metrolyrics.com/someone-like-you-lyrics-adele.html
I enjoy Adele's voice and her songs.
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« Reply #259 on: September 20, 2013, 01:35:24 PM »
If the freemasons are gonna take over the world, they better get a move on it.  Almost all of them are over 80 yrs old and pretty decrepit.

You obviously never talk to black people.

in some states, such as TN, black men can not join the Lodge. They instead have to join a Prince Hall Lodge that also is not recognized by those states

Absolutely false.

I wish that it were false, but as I have stated previously in this thread it is not.

I know what you stated. I am saying that what you stated was false. Repeating yourself will not change that.

So you're telling me that my friends and coworkers lied to me? Why would they make that up? Why would I have a black friend tell me that he tried to join a lodge here in TN only to find out that they don't allow blacks in, so he joined a Prince Hall lodge? Why would I have a white friend tell me that he was distressed because he was not able help one his black friends join the lodge? I guess we're all just a bunch of racists around these parts!

Everybody must just be full or lies around here.  ::)

No, they frankly just didn't understand. There is no such thing as "white" or "black" Masonry.

I don't think that they think there is, they just don't allow blacks in. And as I have shown previously, this is not just one or two lodges. even the former Grand Secretary told me that blacks were not allowed in the entire state. It seems like you frankly just don't understand that each state is different
Why would a high up in the organization say that when their website clearly states something to the contrary.  Something doesn't make sense.

That is what I am trying to figure out...

From the website
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40. Are black people permitted to be Masons?

Yes. There are many Prince Hall Lodges in the United States which are made up of only black people. A few Lodges are integrated.

So the website FAQ seems to imply that blacks must join the Prince Hall Lodge.
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« Reply #260 on: September 20, 2013, 01:47:34 PM »
I think you're reading too much into it.  It's simply saying yes, there black people are allowed to be Masons.  There exists Prince Hall lodges (which are fully Masonic) that are made up of only black people.  There are also lodges that are integrated.  According to your friends, OTOH, no lodge (Blue, I assume) will accept a black man as a member.  Here's a question for your friends.  Would these lodges your friends attend accept an affiliation request from a black man that is already a Mason?
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« Reply #261 on: September 20, 2013, 03:02:37 PM »
Wolfgang Mozart Masonic music
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« Reply #262 on: September 20, 2013, 03:28:55 PM »
The last sentence in his post disappeared. It's a conspiracy!
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« Reply #263 on: September 20, 2013, 03:36:43 PM »
The last sentence in his post disappeared. It's a conspiracy!

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If I post a masonic symbol on this thread, does it mean that oc.net is secretly part of the illuminati or does it mean that just I am a lone illuminati operative?  I need to know what the ramifications of my actions are.
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If I post a masonic symbol on this thread, does it mean that oc.net is secretly part of the illuminati or does it mean that just I am a lone illuminati operative?  I need to know what the ramifications of my actions are.

It means your cover is blown and the cleaners will be on your case sheepish! :laugh:
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #266 on: September 20, 2013, 03:57:42 PM »
If I post a masonic symbol on this thread, does it mean that oc.net is secretly part of the illuminati or does it mean that just I am a lone illuminati operative?  I need to know what the ramifications of my actions are.

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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #267 on: September 20, 2013, 04:17:49 PM »
Alright, I'm convinced, the masons are after me. I was reading about freemasonry in Denmark, and then, an hours later, I visit my facebook page, only to discover that I have appearently "liked" the Danish Order of Freemasons.  ???
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #268 on: September 21, 2013, 10:07:38 AM »
I think you're reading too much into it.  It's simply saying yes, there black people are allowed to be Masons.  There exists Prince Hall lodges (which are fully Masonic) that are made up of only black people.  There are also lodges that are integrated.  According to your friends, OTOH, no lodge (Blue, I assume) will accept a black man as a member.  Here's a question for your friends.  Would these lodges your friends attend accept an affiliation request from a black man that is already a Mason?

Yes, if a black man came from say Georgia where he is in the blue lodge they would accept him in the blue lodge here.

From what I've been told that is the only way for a black man to join the blue lodge in Tennessee.
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Re: Illuminati & Freemasons
« Reply #269 on: September 21, 2013, 10:12:08 AM »
I think you're reading too much into it.  It's simply saying yes, there black people are allowed to be Masons.  There exists Prince Hall lodges (which are fully Masonic) that are made up of only black people.  There are also lodges that are integrated.  According to your friends, OTOH, no lodge (Blue, I assume) will accept a black man as a member.  Here's a question for your friends.  Would these lodges your friends attend accept an affiliation request from a black man that is already a Mason?

Yes, if a black man came from say Georgia where he is in the blue lodge they would accept him in the blue lodge here.

From what I've been told that is the only way for a black man to join the blue lodge in Tennessee.

Got it.  So non-Mason black man comes wanting to be a Mason, they think,"Ewww, no black guys."  But if he were a Mason, "Ah, yes, my brother, show us the signs."  Have you seen any black Masons being received in TN or are they just directed to Prince Hall?  That you know of or have been told?
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