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« on: March 22, 2013, 05:24:24 AM »

The translation of this fourteenth century prophecy was made by Helen Tzima Otto and appears in her book 'The Great Monarch' which contains english translations of several prophecies of the Byzantine apocalyptic tradition along with the greek version from which they were translated as contained in Migne's Patrologiae Graece.  Her translations are accurate and plentiful in this particular book, but I should perhaps mention that she is herself Roman Catholic and includes a quite a lot of her own private interpretation in the notes which I have not reproduced here.


DISCOURSE OF A HOLY MAN ADDRESSED TO THE EMPEROR MANUEL II PALAEOLOGUS
(AD 1391 - 1425)
CONCERNING THE FALL OF CONSTANTINOPLE AND ITS SUBSEQUENT LIBERATION

When the Lord God gives His consent, the Ishmaelites will lay siege upon Constantinople and many islands and lands will fall prostrate before Ishmael.  After the City has been conquered, and after an elapse of ten years, two months, and additionally of three hundred ninety years of control by the Ishmaelites, namely, almost till the fourth century since its fall, it will befall upon the Christians to create a great naval force.  And the members of the clergy and the monastics as well as every social stratum of humanity, against their own will, but led by a divine sign will come to Constantinople and only a few chosen ones will be left behind, here and there;  this naval force will become so great that counting only the heads and leaders of the navy it shall reach the figure of seventy thousand officers.  And each one of them will have under his command ten thousand men.  
  
The ships will be put into the sea, and they will depart for Constantinople and to the place called Kontoscalian.  Ishmael having seen how great a force is gathered in the City will abandon Constantinople, and will flee to safety in Asia.  

And the various leaders of the Christian armies will begin fighting among themselves to determine who will be the one to rule Constantinople;  and they will draw their swords and attempt to cut each other into many pieces, and so much slaughter will take place that all depressions on the surface of the land of the City and all its soil will be drenched in blood to such a depth so that a three year old calf could be drowned in it, and the blood will flow to the sea up to eighteen stadia distance and this slaughter is destined to be so tremendous that all sinners will die in its course and none among them will survive.  
  
Then an Angel of the Lord will descend from Heaven upon a gesture from God, and the Angel will have in His hands the sceptre and sword of the most Saintly Emperor Constantine, and he will crown the Emperor of Peace.  This King will be present in Constantinople, and will be a participant in the middle of those present in the war;  and the Angel will offer to him the sceptre and the sword, and he will call him the "Charitable One."  And he will say to him "Be courageous and strong and be victorious over the enemies of Christ and of His Holy Apostles, and immediately that quarrel and that war will cease;  and three angels will fetch the king and having carried him to the Great Church of the Holy Wisdom of God, they will crown him Emperor.  
  
All those people who will have survived the war will also be just persons in the future, because the fighting against each other will not cease until all sinners have perished.  And there in the new Zion, namely, the Church of the Holy Wisdom of God, the people will gather in order to pay homage to this good Emperor;  and the people will arrive coming from all over the World, every human will come to render him homage.  
  
Seeing them coming from afar, the Emperor will rise to go greet them, and he will receive them with great joy;  and they will inquire where he has come from, and the King will tell them.  Then he will offer a large sum of money to all those who come to the City of Constantinople, and they will enquire "What is all this money for?"  And he will respond to them "That much and even more than this is for you and all those who will come to the City to settle;  I will provide such person with houses and lands and everything else he desires.  And I will be like one of your brothers to you, and we will all be brothers, and Father to us all is the Lord Jesus Christ."  Thus, for the duration of seven years people will be gathering in Constantinople, and all the islands will become depopulated by virtue of this resettlement.  And within these seven years, all of Constantinople will be replenished with Christian people along with their wives and children.

Then the Emperor will say to them:  "Fathers and brothers, it is good to make an expedition against our enemies, in order to erect the Cross and to avenge the blood of our people.  Then everyone with one voice will tell him "Let thy will be done, oh Despota, because it was the voice of God that spake through thy mouth.  So, let it be done according to thy order."  Then the Emperor will rise and all the people at his side, and they will campaign against the Ishmaelites.  Then the saying will come to pass which says "One will chase one thousand and two will force to flight myriads," and this driving out will continue till they reach the Beautiful Gates which the Emperor Alexandre of Macedonia closed in his day.  And they will force the enemy to move beyond that spot, and then the Emperor will say that the Ishmaelites will not be able to raise their head from now on, and not only the Turks, proper, but also the Saracens and the Scythians and every other nation that does not believe in Christ.  

Then the Emperor will take the road of return to Constantinople, and having entered the City, the treasures of the Earth will be revealed, and wherever there is gold or silver to be found, there the earth will emit smoke.  And the charitable Emperor will say "Enter and see what is this smoke."  And upon the command of the noble Emperor, they will enter and discover treasures of gold and silver, and all this will be offered as a gift to the pious ones.  Later, many more and even more valuable treasures will be discovered, and the Emperor will do with those treasures likewise.  Such will be the plethora of the treasure that a portion thereof will be cast down on the ground as superfluous because they will be unable to identify any more uses for it.      

And rejoicing and exultation will prevail all over the world, and there will be nobody who is perpetrating injustice or is a victim thereof, considering that all sinners will already have been wiped out from the Earth.  And the Earth will give its fruit a bounty crop, a hundredfold, and according to the common saying honey and milk will flow from the land.      

The Emperor will spend three years waging wars against the infidel nations.  Afterwards, he will return to the Queen of Cities, and there he will rest in joy and delight for the duration of twenty years;  and afterwards his own son will reign in great joy and delight for thirty years.  Afterwards, another one from the Emperor's line will reign, a man of great cruelty and hatred of man, and his reign will be two months long.  Then Enoch and Elijah and Saint John the Evangelist will come to preach to all the Christians that a certain deceiver is on his way.  Take heed not to be led astray as the Holy Gospel already makes manifest.    
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 05:33:12 AM »

Prophecies of Saint Kosmas of Aitolia (in english with brief commentaries by the translator):
http://www.imdleo.gr/diaf/files/english/St_Kosmas/St.%20Kosmas_pro.html
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2013, 09:41:02 AM »

After the City has been conquered, and after an elapse of ten years, two months, and additionally of three hundred ninety years of control by the Ishmaelites, namely, almost till the fourth century since its fall, it will befall upon the Christians to create a great naval force. ... every social stratum of humanity, against their own will, but led by a divine sign will come to Constantinople and only a few chosen ones will be left behind, here and there;  this naval force will become so great that counting only the heads and leaders of the navy it shall reach the figure of seventy thousand officers.  And each one of them will have under his command ten thousand men.  
  
The ships will be put into the sea, and they will depart for Constantinople and to the place called Kontoscalian.  Ishmael having seen how great a force is gathered in the City will abandon Constantinople, and will flee to safety in Asia.

The length of time in bold adds up to 400 years and two months.  Since Constantinople fell to the Ottomans on 29 May 1453 (O.S.), four hundred years and two months months after that brings us to July of 1853.  I have emphasized the word after in the quote above because it places no limitation on when the 700 million man naval force mentioned in the prophecy will come to Constantinople.  It only stipulates that the City would not be reconquered before July 1853. 

Interestingly, July 1853 is precisely and exactly the month in which Britain sent a naval fleet to defend Constantinople from Russia in the Crimean war which began later that year.  Fulfillment of the prophecy is contraindicated by the fact that Britain was defending the Ottoman empire at the time and the nanval force was far short of 700 million personnel.  This prophecy pertains to a future event irrespective of either coincidence or the devil's manipulation of events to convey an impression of prior fulfillment or inaccuracies and hence illegitimacy. 

The coincidence of the 400 years and two months after 29 May 1453 with the Crimean war is yet remarkable.  If nothing else it illustrates that demons who manipulate events in oder to deceive and discredit had not fogotten about this prophecy. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2013, 06:56:23 PM »

I hate britain because of the crimean war.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2013, 08:44:38 PM »

I hate britain because of the crimean war.

Britain (and America) did assemble a naval force as large as the one predicted in the prophecy, but it was sent against the Germans in WWII. 

One prophecy of Saint Kosmas of Aetolia (eighteenth century), however, says that the war will come when a 1,000 ship Navy assembles off a coast of Greece.  It is number 22 in the collected prophecies of Saint Kosmas: 
"It will be gathered the 1000 ships Navy to Skaloma (Agioi Saranta) and the red-vested shall come, to fight for you."
http://www.imdleo.gr/diaf/files/english/St_Kosmas/St.%20Kosmas_pro.html

The US Navy official wegsites has a page of quotes and various plans to assemble a 1,000 ship Navy:
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/leadership/quotes.asp?q=11&c=2
 
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 11:14:59 PM »

It doesn't look like these prophecies were all that accurate. Maybe it's more like the incident of the Port Arthur Icon of the Mother of God, which was supposed to have been delivered somewhere and the Russians would have won the Russo-Japanese War, but men did not do what they should have done, thus things did not happen the way they would have otherwise.

There was a story in the early 1920s when the Greeks were about to take Constantinople about a Cretan priest who snuck into the City and celebrated Liturgy in Haghia Sophia. No one came out of the walls, though.
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2013, 11:18:10 PM »

It's been too long since we had us a good prophecy thread.
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2013, 05:18:16 AM »

many islands and lands will fall prostrate before Ishmael.

Is this supposed to refer to the Muslims? Huh
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2013, 09:10:53 AM »

many islands and lands will fall prostrate before Ishmael.

Is this supposed to refer to the Muslims? Huh

Yes.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2013, 12:06:57 PM »

I thought Ishmael was that guy in Moby Dick  Huh
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2013, 12:10:39 PM »

I thought Ishmael was that guy in Moby Dick  Huh

He is!
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2013, 12:34:02 PM »

many islands and lands will fall prostrate before Ishmael.

Is this supposed to refer to the Muslims? Huh

Yes.

This supposed connection between Muslism and Ishmael is silly. Do many Islands and land prostrate before ialmisry and other Christian Arabs?
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2013, 03:04:02 PM »

This supposed connection between Muslism and Ishmael is silly...
... Christian Arabs?
I beg to differ.  You question the obvious. 

The vast majority of Ishmael's descendents became muslims. 
Saint John of Damascus called Islam the heresy of the Ishmaelites. 
The Chronicon of Saint Theophanes specifically says that Mohammed was a descendent of Ishmael.

The seventh century Armenianhistory of Sebeos states that the twelve tribes of the Ishmaelites were led to the conquest of the Arabian parts of the Roman Empire by jewish guides thus fulfilling the prophecy which the Angel Gabriel made in consolation to Hagar that her son's descendents would be a great nation with twelve princes.  Sebeos's history also proves that the Islamic conquest was a successful plot led by jews who had been conquered by Romans who had conquered them and became Christian.  These jews decided upon a political rebellion of their Arab cousins which succeeded. 

Thus, the prophecy of the Angel Gabriel to Hagar from the Book of Genesis was fulfilled by Mohammed and his followers initiating the time of Ishmael's power which will not end until this prophecy is fullfilled at which time the last seven kings of Rome will come to power and rule from the city of seven hills (i.e. Constantinople). 

A prophecy by Saint Andrew the Fool for Christ decribes in detail the seven last monarchs of Rome (Daniel's fourth beast) who ruloe from Constantinople.  When Constantinople falls with the last monarch (an evil queen from Pontus), the time of the gentile's power will end, and the cpitol revert to old Rome, but the empire will be much weaker, and the jews will be regathered to Palestine.   
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2013, 06:21:59 PM »

many islands and lands will fall prostrate before Ishmael.

Is this supposed to refer to the Muslims? Huh

Yes.

This supposed connection between Muslism and Ishmael is silly. Do many Islands and land prostrate before ialmisry and other Christian Arabs?

Not at present, but they probably should.
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2013, 07:27:30 PM »

the Ishmaelites will lay siege upon Constantinople and many islands and lands will fall prostrate before Ishmael.
This refers to the Ottoman conquest.
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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2013, 08:02:39 PM »

the Ishmaelites will lay siege upon Constantinople and many islands and lands will fall prostrate before Ishmael.
This refers to the Ottoman conquest.

Yet Constantinople had been besieged twice by Arabs before the Ottomans.
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2013, 08:12:45 PM »


This supposed connection between Muslism and Ishmael is silly. Do many Islands and land prostrate before ialmisry and other Christian Arabs?

Unfortunately, Muhammad based Islam on the supposed connection between Ishmael and Arabs. If you study the Qur'an, you can figure out that Islam was born from the adaptation of Judaism to Arabs after Isaac's replacement with Ishmael.
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2013, 07:31:45 AM »

This supposed connection between Muslism and Ishmael is silly...
... Christian Arabs?
I beg to differ.  You question the obvious. 

The vast majority of Ishmael's descendents became muslims. 

I thought majority of Muslims aren't Arabs these days. If that's true, it is silly to refer to them as Ishmaelites.

the Ishmaeites will lay siege upon Constantinople and many islands and lands will fall prostrate before Ishmael.
This refers to the Ottoman conquest.

I thought Ottomans weren't Arabs. How can they be Ishmaelites if they aren't Arabs?

Thus, the prophecy of the Angel Gabriel to Hagar from the Book of Genesis was fulfilled by Mohammed and his followers initiating the time of Ishmael's power

God promised to Hagar that "your descent will invent new heresies"?


This supposed connection between Muslism and Ishmael is silly. Do many Islands and land prostrate before ialmisry and other Christian Arabs?

Unfortunately, Muhammad based Islam on the supposed connection between Ishmael and Arabs.

*shrugs* Muhammed was wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2013, 05:16:46 PM »


*shrugs* Muhammed was wrong.

He sure was, but this does not change the fact that he established Islam in rivalry with Judaism: Mecca vs Jerusalem, Cube vs Temple, Ishmael vs Isaac, Islamic Law (Shariah) vs Mosaic Law....

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