Patriarch Bartholomew invites Pope Francis to Holy Land

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ialmisry:
Holy Land?  Meaning Palestine?

EP Bartholomew is patriarch of Constantinople, not Jerusalem.  Therefor he has no authority to invite anyone to Palestine.

IIRC EP Athenagoras wanted to have the "reconciliation" in Palestine with Pope Paul VI of Rome, but Patriarch Benedict of Jerusalem would have none of it, and so it had to be done in the Phanar.

Carl Kraeff (Second Chance):
Quote from: ialmisry on March 21, 2013, 04:12:49 PM

Holy Land?  Meaning Palestine?

EP Bartholomew is patriarch of Constantinople, not Jerusalem.  Therefor he has no authority to invite anyone to Palestine.

IIRC EP Athenagoras wanted to have the "reconciliation" in Palestine with Pope Paul VI of Rome, but Patriarch Benedict of Jerusalem would have none of it, and so it had to be done in the Phanar.


The Patriarchal web site says "His All-Holiness met in private with Pope Francis on Wednesday, March 20, 2013, where he invited the Pope to commemorate and celebrate the 50th anniversary of the restoration of relations between the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches, which occurred in Jerusalem between Patriarch Athenagoras and Pope Paul VI."

Nonetheless, as he is now styling himself "As the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the worldwide Orthodox Church of Christ, we...' why can't he invite himself and all his guests to any local church? See http://www.monasterodibose.it/content/view/4927/135/1/8/lang,en/

choy:
Quote from: ialmisry on March 21, 2013, 04:12:49 PM

Therefor he has no authority to invite anyone to Palestine.


Why not?  As long as they have the appropriate visas they can go there whenever they want.  I doubt they'd be celebrating Liturgy or anything, so the Jerusalem Patriarch need not approve of it.  Besides, the Pope also has his own Patriarch there.

serb1389:
Quote from: choy on March 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM

Quote from: ialmisry on March 21, 2013, 04:12:49 PM

Therefor he has no authority to invite anyone to Palestine.


Why not?  As long as they have the appropriate visas they can go there whenever they want.  I doubt they'd be celebrating Liturgy or anything, so the Jerusalem Patriarch need not approve of it.  Besides, the Pope also has his own Patriarch there.


it doesn't quite work that way.  A hierarch (even a Patriarch) has to ask permission to enter the diocese of another bishop.  It's not a "guarantee" in some cases, but usually they all try to play nice with each other.  As Isa pointed out though...that is not always the case. 

Deacon Lance:
Quote from: ialmisry on March 21, 2013, 04:12:49 PM



IIRC EP Athenagoras wanted to have the "reconciliation" in Palestine with Pope Paul VI of Rome, but Patriarch Benedict of Jerusalem would have none of it, and so it had to be done in the Phanar.


Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras met on the Mount of Olives in 1964.

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