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Offline adampjr

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Pre-Orthodox marriage
« on: May 21, 2013, 06:54:10 AM »
Hey,

I was wondering if this is something that happens:
If married people convert to the Orthodox Church, do they often (or ever) undergo matrimony again but this time within the Church?

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Re: Pre-Orthodox marriage
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2013, 08:09:19 AM »
It epends on your jurisdiction whether they require an Orthodox "Re-marriage"---Antiochian "No", Greek "yes within 1 year of conversion" and ROCOR "Yes". The Antiochians do not require it but encourage it, they also have a blessing service that can be used instead of the crowning that is horter than a full crowning. Quotes above are from various priests I have spoken with about the matter. I do not have an OCA response yet.

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Re: Pre-Orthodox marriage
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2013, 09:12:27 AM »
Our parish just had a two families chrismated.  The first I did not see any "marriage", the second had a super short ceremony immediately after Liturgy.  It was probably about 5 minutes long.  Fastest "wedding" ever.  :D
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Re: Pre-Orthodox marriage
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2013, 01:08:48 PM »
If married people convert to the Orthodox Church, do they often (or ever) undergo matrimony again but this time within the Church?

Nowadays, yes -- sometimes. Historically, no. There is a lot of variety within jurisdictions even, so it really depends on your local bishop and priest.
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Re: Pre-Orthodox marriage
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2013, 02:05:41 PM »
Just my own experience and observation, but the OCA will perform and encourages a brief marriage blessing. Ours was after Liturgy one Sunday. The Greeks apparently do the whole thing: paperwork, ceremony and often a reception.
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Re: Pre-Orthodox marriage
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2013, 02:07:52 PM »
It epends on your jurisdiction whether they require an Orthodox "Re-marriage"---Antiochian "No", Greek "yes within 1 year of conversion" and ROCOR "Yes". The Antiochians do not require it but encourage it, they also have a blessing service that can be used instead of the crowning that is horter than a full crowning. Quotes above are from various priests I have spoken with about the matter. I do not have an OCA response yet.

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Re: Pre-Orthodox marriage
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2013, 02:43:20 PM »
Would this 'blessing' be similar to what the Roman Catholics call 'validation'. If so, do you consider marriages performed outside the orthodox church 'invalid' as do the Roman Catholics?

Edited to add, what if only one spouse ends up converting to orthodoxy, what about the marriage then? What is the status of the convert then?
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Re: Pre-Orthodox marriage
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2013, 03:12:54 PM »
Would this 'blessing' be similar to what the Roman Catholics call 'validation'. If so, do you consider marriages performed outside the orthodox church 'invalid' as do the Roman Catholics?
No, it's a blessing. There's nothing mentioned about being invalid. I would imagine that the blessing (similar to chrismation) supplies whatever was lacking in the non-Orthodox marriage.

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Re: Pre-Orthodox marriage
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2013, 04:33:00 PM »
My wife and I were baptized into ROCOR.  We were asked prior to the baptism if were wanted to remain married.  So, we were "blessed" or married or whatever after baptism.  My wife was also "Churched" since she had never had this ceremony performed prior.
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