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« Reply #360 on: March 13, 2013, 09:05:44 PM »

LOL.  They elected a Jesuit.
Yeah I got a laugh out of that as well. Maybe that's what the Curia needs.
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« Reply #361 on: March 13, 2013, 09:10:45 PM »

As much as we "blame" the EP for not granting autocephally to the OCA to fix the jurisdictional mess in North America,
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Would it be that simple? I was under the impression that some of the non-OCA Orthodox would feel slighted if that happened.
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« Reply #362 on: March 13, 2013, 09:19:33 PM »

And Maduro, president of Venezuela, made a pronouncement saying that the new pope was elected because Hugo Chavez influenced Jesus in Heaven to choose a South-American. Said that with a serious, plain face, no shame at all.


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"We know that our commander ascended to Heaven and is face-to-face with Christ", said Maduro in a literary fair in Caracas. "Something influenced the choice of a south-american, someone new arrived at Christ's side and told him: 'Well, it seems to us it's time for South-America".

"He (Chávez) can summon a Constituent Assembly in heaven at any time to change the Church on Earth, so that only people of Christ can govern the world", added Maduro.

http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/internacional,maduro-diz-que-chavez-pode-ter-influenciado-eleicao-de-papa,1008320,0.htm
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« Reply #363 on: March 13, 2013, 09:20:31 PM »

As much as we "blame" the EP for not granting autocephally to the OCA to fix the jurisdictional mess in North America,
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Would it be that simple? I was under the impression that some of the non-OCA Orthodox would feel slighted if that happened.

Why should they?  The jurisdiction of America should be under a Church in America, not one on another continent.
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« Reply #364 on: March 13, 2013, 09:26:08 PM »

Lord spare us.

From what?  Its not our communion.  I just want my old friends in the UGCC to be happy.

It's not so simple. Granting the UGCC Patriarchal status would infuriate the Russian Orthodox and the Russian nationalists and cause turmoil within the already splintered Orthodox groups in Ukraine. Pressure to grant autocephaly or a simple declaration of autocephaly would place great pressure upon and exacerbate tensions within Orthodoxy and its national churches. Realpolitik dictates against Papal action and the likelihood of Rome abandoning realpolitik seems remote at best.

I know that Wink

As much as we "blame" the EP for not granting autocephally to the OCA to fix the jurisdictional mess in North America, why does Russia want to keep control of the Church in Ukraine?  It is a separate country now, they should just grant them autocephally.  The other Orthodox Churches there in schism will fall in line quickly if they are allowed to govern themselves.

I agree, Moscow seems to want it both ways regarding Ukraine but this is a volatile subject which can really inflame any thread quickly.
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« Reply #365 on: March 13, 2013, 09:32:28 PM »

May God grant His Holiness Pope Francis I many years!
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« Reply #366 on: March 13, 2013, 09:34:08 PM »

I agree, Moscow seems to want it both ways regarding Ukraine but this is a volatile subject which can really inflame any thread quickly.

And why should any Orthodox care about what the Roman Catholic Church does with her communion of Churches?  Do we want the Vatican to meddle with the North American jurisdictional issue?
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« Reply #367 on: March 13, 2013, 09:38:07 PM »

(I don't know - its basically just whatever happens alongside and parallel to the event) ...
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« Reply #368 on: March 13, 2013, 10:19:03 PM »

Pope Francis I to resign

Well, that was quick.
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« Reply #369 on: March 13, 2013, 10:28:18 PM »

Good luck!
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« Reply #370 on: March 13, 2013, 10:36:12 PM »

Pope Francis I to resign

Well, that was quick.
She's pretty.
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« Reply #371 on: March 13, 2013, 10:46:39 PM »


Datable. What digits she use?
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« Reply #372 on: March 13, 2013, 10:50:17 PM »

I agree, Moscow seems to want it both ways regarding Ukraine but this is a volatile subject which can really inflame any thread quickly.

And why should any Orthodox care about what the Roman Catholic Church does with her communion of Churches?  Do we want the Vatican to meddle with the North American jurisdictional issue?

We care because the issue of  the treatment of the Eastern Catholic Churches by the Church of Rome and the very nature of their relationship with Rome, Rome hashas been more than troublesome to the Orthodox. The issues go back to the very heart of the root causes of the Great Schism, the failures of Florence, and the impacts of the various Unia - most particularly the presence of a "sui juris" eastern Church united with Rome (the UGCC) (I want to use the academic term to denote them but it can not be used here.)  within historically Orthodox territory. (Herein the successor to the Russian Empire).

It is difficult to fathom from the perspective of the modern west, but to us these issues are real and always in the front of any mutual discussions among Rome and the Orthodox.
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« Reply #373 on: March 13, 2013, 11:04:31 PM »

Lord spare us.

From what?  Its not our communion.  I just want my old friends in the UGCC to be happy.
unfortunately the UGCC springs from that strain of Ukrainianism (Українство) which will never be happy, unless the whole world swallows their mythology, based as much (if not more) on hate of Russia as love of Ukraine.
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« Reply #374 on: March 13, 2013, 11:04:31 PM »

And Maduro, president of Venezuela, made a pronouncement saying that the new pope was elected because Hugo Chavez influenced Jesus in Heaven to choose a South-American. Said that with a serious, plain face, no shame at all.
http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/internacional,maduro-diz-que-chavez-pode-ter-influenciado-eleicao-de-papa,1008320,0.htm


Maybe it was a LOOOOOOONG distance call. Cheesy
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« Reply #375 on: March 13, 2013, 11:04:31 PM »

And Maduro, president of Venezuela, made a pronouncement saying that the new pope was elected because Hugo Chavez influenced Jesus in Heaven to choose a South-American. Said that with a serious, plain face, no shame at all.
http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/internacional,maduro-diz-que-chavez-pode-ter-influenciado-eleicao-de-papa,1008320,0.htm


Wow. Mauduro is more infalliblle than the Pope.
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« Reply #376 on: March 13, 2013, 11:04:31 PM »

Pope Francis I to resign

Well, that was quick.
Haha I love The Onion.
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« Reply #377 on: March 13, 2013, 11:06:15 PM »

The Pope, then Cardinal, taking public transportation for pastoral visits.
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« Reply #378 on: March 13, 2013, 11:10:47 PM »

This is too good not to post...

"Simply by taking a new name — one no pope has ever used — Bergoglio might also be sending a message that change is on the way for the church. There is a strong tradition in the church of taking names of previous popes. John Paul I, in 1978, broke with tradition when he combined the names of men who preceded him as bishop of Rome. Before that, one has to go back more than a thousand years, to Pope Lando of the early 10th century, to find a pope who took an entirely new name." http://m.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/pope-francis-his-name-reflects-his-ministry-for-the-poor/2013/03/13/4a2cc8ce-8c27-11e2-9f54-f3fdd70acad2_story.html

Really? Pope Lando? .....





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« Reply #379 on: March 13, 2013, 11:15:42 PM »

This is too good not to post...

"Simply by taking a new name — one no pope has ever used — Bergoglio might also be sending a message that change is on the way for the church. There is a strong tradition in the church of taking names of previous popes. John Paul I, in 1978, broke with tradition when he combined the names of men who preceded him as bishop of Rome. Before that, one has to go back more than a thousand years, to Pope Lando of the early 10th century, to find a pope who took an entirely new name." http://m.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/pope-francis-his-name-reflects-his-ministry-for-the-poor/2013/03/13/4a2cc8ce-8c27-11e2-9f54-f3fdd70acad2_story.html

Really? Pope Lando? .....







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« Reply #380 on: March 13, 2013, 11:33:29 PM »

http://www.anglicanink.com/article/francis-i-friend-argentine-anglicans

Apparently not so keen on Anglicans swimming the Tiber.

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Many are asking me what Jorge Bergoglio is really like. He is much more of a Christian, Christ centered and Spirit filled, than a mere churchman. He believes the Bible as it is written. I have been with him on many occasions and he always makes me sit next to him and invariably makes me take part and often do what he as Cardinal should have done. He is consistently humble and wise, outstandingly gifted yet a common man. He is no fool and speaks out very quietly yet clearly when necessary. He called me to have breakfast with him one morning and told me very clearly that the Ordinariate was quite unnecessary and that the church needs us as Anglicans. I consider this to be an inspired appointment not because he is a close and personal friend but because of who he is In Christ. Pray for him.
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« Reply #381 on: March 13, 2013, 11:53:11 PM »

Really? Pope Lando? .....

Sure, he was the Archbishop of Bespin in Anoat before election.  He was infamous for his promotion of scoundrels and scruffy looking nerf-herders to the cardinalate. Cheesy
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« Reply #382 on: March 14, 2013, 01:06:02 AM »

Mass under Pope Francis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3RJK0yULkCY#!

I guess I won't be tempted into going back anytime soon...
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« Reply #383 on: March 14, 2013, 01:15:17 AM »

Mass under Pope Francis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3RJK0yULkCY#!

I guess I won't be tempted into going back anytime soon...
LOL.
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« Reply #384 on: March 14, 2013, 01:17:30 AM »

Mass under Pope Francis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3RJK0yULkCY#!

I guess I won't be tempted into going back anytime soon...

Ah, I see you've been hanging out around the SSPX circles.
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« Reply #385 on: March 14, 2013, 01:33:39 AM »

Mass under Pope Francis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3RJK0yULkCY#!

I guess I won't be tempted into going back anytime soon...

Misa de Ninos... children's mass?
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« Reply #386 on: March 14, 2013, 01:55:40 AM »

Congratulations to my Catholic brothers and sisters on the election of their new Pope. This is a joyous day for Catholics and a proud day for Latin America. My prayers are with Pope Francis and the Catholic Church. St. Fancis of Assissi is one of my spiritual heroes! So I rejoice to see that this new Pope is committed to following the example of St. Francis, prioritizing the poor and urging us to seek God with humility, love, and compassion for all people. As an Orthodox Christian, I certainly recognize that there are some serious doctrinal differences between Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Protestantism. But I truly believe that where Christ is preeminent, where the gospel is preached, and where the Nicene Creed is professed, there is indeed a Christian brotherhood – even though that brotherhood is imperfect and yet fully realized. But as I observe the joy and optimism of my Catholic brethren today, I rejoice with them and share their hope that Pope Francis will be a force for good and a stalwart defender of those ancient Christian values upon which true compassion, authentic justice, and real humanity are predicated.

May God grant Pope Francis many years!


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« Reply #387 on: March 14, 2013, 02:01:53 AM »

The funniest takeaway I have for this day is that the reaction of the rabid ultra-traditionalist Roman Catholic crowd makes Isa look like a papist  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy

Seriously, they call themselves Roman Catholics and talk that way?
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« Reply #388 on: March 14, 2013, 02:06:07 AM »

The funniest takeaway I have for this day is that the reaction of the rabid ultra-traditionalist Roman Catholic crowd makes Isa look like a papist  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy

Seriously, they call themselves Roman Catholics and talk that way?
Can you please link to these reactions?

The YouTube comments are disgusting as usual
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« Reply #389 on: March 14, 2013, 02:09:11 AM »

The funniest takeaway I have for this day is that the reaction of the rabid ultra-traditionalist Roman Catholic crowd makes Isa look like a papist  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy

Seriously, they call themselves Roman Catholics and talk that way?
Can you please link to these reactions?

The YouTube comments are disgusting as usual

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« Reply #390 on: March 14, 2013, 02:14:56 AM »

That doesn't sound like Peter the Roman to me.

Tongue

Maybe because his name isn't Peter and he's not from Rome?

He's about as un-Peter* and un-Roman as you can get while still being a Catholic.

*=And by that I mean his names are George and Francis, and he was from an order started by a guy named Ignatius.

Hundreds of millions of Catholics do not have the name Peter, and are from a multitude of places other than Rome.  And yes, he's a Jesuit, many of whom are extremely "liberal" and many of whom are quite "conservative".  What, pray tell, is your point?

Maybe that reference to some St Malaky (or Malarky?) prophesy about the last pope to be called Peter the Roman?

Your guess is as good as mine.  

Sorry for the late response, but that's exactly what I meant. I was making a joke about the prophecy of Malaky (which I believe to be bunk). I didn't realize my joke would flop like this. My apologies.
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« Reply #391 on: March 14, 2013, 02:57:33 AM »

I imagine the newly elected Pope, Francis I, has a relationship with His Eminence Metropolitan Tarasios of Buenos Aries, the Holy Metropolis of South America, a see of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople----Metropolitan Tarasios is a former Deacon to Patriarch Bartholomew, and an American from the State of Texas.  I'll guess he will be part of the Eastern Orthodox delegation to the enthronement of Pope Francis I.
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« Reply #392 on: March 14, 2013, 06:01:55 AM »

Does anybody know anything about Pope Francis´relationship with the military junta? I don't entirely trust the newspapers.
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I imagine the newly elected Pope, Francis I, has a relationship with His Eminence Metropolitan Tarasios of Buenos Aries, the Holy Metropolis of South America, a see of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople-

I know he has good relations with Russians - Bishop John and Metropolitan Plato.
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« Reply #394 on: March 14, 2013, 07:16:21 AM »

Hum, that's important to know; His Holiness is close friends with the Ukrainian Catholic Patriarch too--I wonder how these two relationships affect his attitude toward the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #395 on: March 14, 2013, 08:13:45 AM »

And Maduro, president of Venezuela, made a pronouncement saying that the new pope was elected because Hugo Chavez influenced Jesus in Heaven to choose a South-American. Said that with a serious, plain face, no shame at all.


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"We know that our commander ascended to Heaven and is face-to-face with Christ", said Maduro in a literary fair in Caracas. "Something influenced the choice of a south-american, someone new arrived at Christ's side and told him: 'Well, it seems to us it's time for South-America".

"He (Chávez) can summon a Constituent Assembly in heaven at any time to change the Church on Earth, so that only people of Christ can govern the world", added Maduro.

http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/internacional,maduro-diz-que-chavez-pode-ter-influenciado-eleicao-de-papa,1008320,0.htm


I wonder what the late Hugo's Iranian pals think about that comment?  Lol!
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« Reply #396 on: March 14, 2013, 08:15:47 AM »

Really? Pope Lando? .....

Sure, he was the Archbishop of Bespin in Anoat before election.  He was infamous for his promotion of scoundrels and scruffy looking nerf-herders to the cardinalate. Cheesy

In the end a good guy though!
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« Reply #397 on: March 14, 2013, 09:24:31 AM »

Lord spare us.

From what?  Its not our communion.  I just want my old friends in the UGCC to be happy.
unfortunately the UGCC springs from that strain of Ukrainianism (Українство) which will never be happy, unless the whole world swallows their mythology, based as much (if not more) on hate of Russia as love of Ukraine.

Because we all know that no Russians ever hate Ukraine.

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« Reply #398 on: March 14, 2013, 09:40:13 AM »

The funniest takeaway I have for this day is that the reaction of the rabid ultra-traditionalist Roman Catholic crowd makes Isa look like a papist  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy

Seriously, they call themselves Roman Catholics and talk that way?

Now Choy, you know someone doesn't have to have an Italian accent to be a Roman Catholic. :wag finger:
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« Reply #399 on: March 14, 2013, 09:59:29 AM »

Does anybody know anything about Pope Francis´relationship with the military junta? I don't entirely trust the newspapers.

There have been many accusations.  There has been no actual proof offered that I know of. Note, it's not that "proof" has been discredited.  There's just been nothing offered more than, "Well, he could have been complicit."

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« Reply #400 on: March 14, 2013, 10:00:55 AM »

We are taking care of an eight year old girl this week while her parents are out of town. At breakfast this morning I asked her:

"What do you think of the new Pope?"

Silence...silence...silence

"What's a Pope?"

"Oh he is in charge of the Roman Catholic Church, the one your grandparents belong to"

"Why is there a new one?"

"The Pope before him retired, he was getting too old"

"I see. Maybe he wanted to do something else with his life"

Silence...silence....silence

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« Reply #401 on: March 14, 2013, 10:03:14 AM »

I imagine the newly elected Pope, Francis I, has a relationship with His Eminence Metropolitan Tarasios of Buenos Aries, the Holy Metropolis of South America, a see of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople----Metropolitan Tarasios is a former Deacon to Patriarch Bartholomew, and an American from the State of Texas.  I'll guess he will be part of the Eastern Orthodox delegation to the enthronement of Pope Francis I.

Remembering how important it is here that we refer to clergy with their proper title, etc. I'd just like to note that the new Pope is Pope FRANCIS.  He is not Francis I, although he is, to date the first Pope with the name of Francis.  In order for him to be Francis I, there must first be a Francis II--and there isn't yet.  So...Pope Francis...........please  Wink.  (Apologies if this has already been stated previously on this thread, but if it has it obviously bears repeating  Grin.)
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« Reply #402 on: March 14, 2013, 10:10:38 AM »

I imagine the newly elected Pope, Francis I, has a relationship with His Eminence Metropolitan Tarasios of Buenos Aries, the Holy Metropolis of South America, a see of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople----Metropolitan Tarasios is a former Deacon to Patriarch Bartholomew, and an American from the State of Texas.  I'll guess he will be part of the Eastern Orthodox delegation to the enthronement of Pope Francis I.

Remembering how important it is here that we refer to clergy with their proper title, etc. I'd just like to note that the new Pope is Pope FRANCIS.  He is not Francis I, although he is, to date the first Pope with the name of Francis.  In order for him to be Francis I, there must first be a Francis II--and there isn't yet.  So...Pope Francis...........please  Wink.  (Apologies if this has already been stated previously on this thread, but if it has it obviously bears repeating  Grin.)

The adding of "I" at the end of his name is driving me crazy, too.
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« Reply #403 on: March 14, 2013, 10:10:53 AM »

I just want to thank all of the Orthodox Christians on this forum for their kind and congratulatory words concerning our new Pope. You have all shown great grace and understanding about what a special time this is for Catholics.
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« Reply #404 on: March 14, 2013, 10:19:41 AM »

I just want to thank all of the Orthodox Christians on this forum for their kind and congratulatory words concerning our new Pope. You have all shown great grace and understanding about what a special time this is for Catholics.

I'll second that!  Smiley
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