Jurisdictional disputes arose between Antioch and Jerusalem Patriarchates

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ialmisry:
Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 06:59:58 PM

Quote from: ialmisry on March 09, 2013, 06:57:53 PM

Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 06:23:09 PM

Quote from: Punch on March 09, 2013, 06:13:53 PM

Two Patriarchates that don't even have a country protesting who's got what territory.  


I wasn't aware of any Patriarchate that "has a country" after 1870.

What happened in 1870?

Italy.

Oh.  In that case

Michał Kalina:
Quote from: ialmisry on March 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM

Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 06:59:58 PM

Quote from: ialmisry on March 09, 2013, 06:57:53 PM

Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 06:23:09 PM

Quote from: Punch on March 09, 2013, 06:13:53 PM

Two Patriarchates that don't even have a country protesting who's got what territory.  


I wasn't aware of any Patriarchate that "has a country" after 1870.

What happened in 1870?

Italy.

Oh.  In that case




Not a Patriarch. But you reminded me of him:



I being a Patriarch is not required, he also can be included:



And something more historical:



OK, those are all I can recall.

ialmisry:
Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 07:20:20 PM

Quote from: ialmisry on March 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM

Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 06:59:58 PM

Quote from: ialmisry on March 09, 2013, 06:57:53 PM

Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 06:23:09 PM

Quote from: Punch on March 09, 2013, 06:13:53 PM

Two Patriarchates that don't even have a country protesting who's got what territory.  


I wasn't aware of any Patriarchate that "has a country" after 1870.

What happened in 1870?

Italy.

Oh.  In that case




Not a Patriarch. But you reminded me of him:


I wasn't sure regent counted.

Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 07:20:20 PM

I being a Patriarch is not required, he also can be included:



And something more historical:



OK, those are all I can recall.

For places like Crete a century ago (and still for the Monastic Republic of Mt. Athos):

Αριστοκλής:
Quote from: ialmisry on March 09, 2013, 06:57:53 PM

Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 06:23:09 PM

Quote from: Punch on March 09, 2013, 06:13:53 PM

Two Patriarchates that don't even have a country protesting who's got what territory. 


I wasn't aware of any Patriarchate that "has a country" after 1870.

What happened in 1870?

Interesting.  What does the Phanar have to say about Qatar? (It's Antioch's btw).  Should be interesting conversation if they have that "Ancient Patriarchates and Cyprus" thing again.


Stop muckraking, Isa.
As to Antioch: I am well aware of the "Asia and All the East" part of the description of its territory, but wonder about the definition of Asia. At one time "Asia" meant only Asia Minor, at others more what we think of as the Asian continent. I suspect they will be arguing that now.

ialmisry:
Quote from: Αριστοκλής on March 09, 2013, 10:02:13 PM

Quote from: ialmisry on March 09, 2013, 06:57:53 PM

Quote from: Michał Kalina on March 09, 2013, 06:23:09 PM

Quote from: Punch on March 09, 2013, 06:13:53 PM

Two Patriarchates that don't even have a country protesting who's got what territory. 


I wasn't aware of any Patriarchate that "has a country" after 1870.

What happened in 1870?

Interesting.  What does the Phanar have to say about Qatar? (It's Antioch's btw).  Should be interesting conversation if they have that "Ancient Patriarchates and Cyprus" thing again.


Stop muckraking, Isa.
As to Antioch: I am well aware of the "Asia and All the East" part of the description of its territory, but wonder about the definition of Asia. At one time "Asia" meant only Asia Minor, at others more what we think of as the Asian continent. I suspect they will be arguing that now.

Asia? What's Asia have to do with it, except that Antioch's jurisdiction (and Jerusalem's, and Constantinople's in part, as well as part of Moscow) lays in it?

The title is "Patriarch of Antioch, the Great City of God, of Syria, Lebanon, Arabia, Cilicia, Mesopotamia and all the East; Father of Fathers, Shepherd of Shepherds, Master of Masters, and Thirteenth of the Holy Apostles, our Father and Chief Shepherd."  That of Jerusalem is "Patriarch of the Holy City of Jerusalem and all Palestine, Syria, beyond the Jordan River, Cana of Galilee, and Holy Zion."

Antioch has a history of solicitude over the area.  Jerusalem does not.

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