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Tarazi vs. Farley
« on: March 07, 2013, 06:36:08 PM »
Is anyone familiar with the Bible commentary series of Fr. Paul Nadim Tarazi and Fr. Lawrence Farley? Does anyone know how they compare? I already have a couple of Fr. Farley's books.

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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2013, 07:58:35 PM »
I don't have much reading experience with either author, but from what limited reading I've done (on unrelated material) and what I've read online, some opinions seem to be...

- Fr. Farley is highly recommended by some, but is fairly popular-level
- Fr. Tarazi is less traditional, especially when it comes to the Old Testament, but is also less popular level



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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 08:05:17 PM »
I highly recommend Fr. Lawrence Farley.

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2013, 09:14:56 PM »
I don't have much reading experience with either author, but from what limited reading I've done (on unrelated material) and what I've read online, some opinions seem to be...

- Fr. Farley is highly recommended by some, but is fairly popular-level
- Fr. Tarazi is less traditional, especially when it comes to the Old Testament, but is also less popular level



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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2013, 09:18:15 PM »
Is anyone familiar with the Bible commentary series of Fr. Paul Nadim Tarazi and Fr. Lawrence Farley? Does anyone know how they compare? I already have a couple of Fr. Farley's books.

Thanks!



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I read the commentaries of Fr. Tarazi (added the Fr. even though his books do not, so as to escape the green meatball) and was scandalized.  A lot of modernist liberal rot.  You would be better off with a set of Lutheran commentaries by Lanski (or just stick with the Fathers).
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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 09:23:36 PM »

Didn't know either of them were priests. I suppose that is my fault for not doing a google search before every post I make to make sure anyone I talk about isn' a prest.


Nor would you have known if you had one of (Fr) Terazi's books in front of you since he published them under Paul Nadim Terazi.  However, to be safe, just use the (Fr) liberally because every time you call someone Father on the OCNet, you get 5000 indulgences.  Not doing so at the wrong time gets you a random number of days in forum purgatory.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2013, 09:32:45 PM »
I would comment too that Fr. Lawrence does not have "Father" printed with his name in his books.  The only reason I know he is "Father" is because he is my priest.  Also if anyone goes to AFR to listen to his podcast.

Speaking of which, to know the quality of his books you can listen to his podcast on AFR called "Coffee Cup Commentaries".

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2013, 12:08:05 AM »
I am not familiar with Fr. Lawrence's writings, but Fr. Paul Tarazi's are full of heresy.  That is not my opinion, but rather the conviction expressed by Archimandrite Touma (Bitar), Abbot of the Monastery of St. Silouan in Douma, and many clergy in the Archdiocese of Tripoli and elsewhere.  More of an explanation regarding his heretical teachings can be found here:

http://orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/fr-paul-tarazi-from-study-to-heresy.aspx

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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2013, 02:35:27 AM »
I have Fr. Lawrence Farley's commentaries on all four synoptic Gospels and I highly recommend them.  I have learned so much since I began reading them.  In addition, Fr. Lawrence is highly regarded by many people.

As for Fr. Tarazi, I have never read anything by him.  I have, however, read from many blogs and articles that his commentaries are extremely dangerous. 
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2013, 07:25:06 AM »
Thanks for all the replies. Sorry for getting people into trouble with clerical titles, I hadn't realised they were priests either.

I asked about Fr. Paul Tarazi because nearly every one of his books are required reading for the Antiochian House of Studies courses (I'm not planning to sign up, but am interested in what's being taught in the various Orthodox theology programmes) and I had never heard of him before, so I was wondering why his works were preferred over Fr. Lawrence Farley's (besides the fact that the former has written a lot on the OT whereas the latter seems to only have NT commentaries).

So I assume modern Biblical criticism is the problem? Is he of the moderate variety (Genesis probably not written by Moses but is a composite work) or does he go the whole way (Christ probably never said x,y,z)?


Just came across this: http://orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/fr-paul-tarazi-from-study-to-heresy.aspx
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2013, 10:12:50 AM »
I asked about Fr. Paul Tarazi because nearly every one of his books are required reading for the Antiochian House of Studies courses

Reading his commentaries was the final straw that caused me to leave the Antiochian Church. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2013, 10:20:29 AM »
I see Jah777 had already put up that link. I missed that post, sorry!

Reading his commentaries was the final straw that caused me to leave the Antiochian Church. 

I initially really liked the fact that they devote so much of their theological programme to biblical studies (a good grasp of Scripture + the Fathers is all you really need), but if his books are as you say it's a bit troubling that he receives such a heavy emphasis and that no other books are used, if only for the sake of balance.

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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2016, 04:38:36 PM »
I don't have much reading experience with either author, but from what limited reading I've done (on unrelated material) and what I've read online, some opinions seem to be...

- Fr. Farley is highly recommended by some, but is fairly popular-level
- Fr. Tarazi is less traditional, especially when it comes to the Old Testament, but is also less popular level



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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2016, 05:26:48 PM »
Thanks for all the replies. Sorry for getting people into trouble with clerical titles, I hadn't realised they were priests either.

I asked about Fr. Paul Tarazi because nearly every one of his books are required reading for the Antiochian House of Studies courses (I'm not planning to sign up, but am interested in what's being taught in the various Orthodox theology programmes) and I had never heard of him before, so I was wondering why his works were preferred over Fr. Lawrence Farley's (besides the fact that the former has written a lot on the OT whereas the latter seems to only have NT commentaries).

So I assume modern Biblical criticism is the problem? Is he of the moderate variety (Genesis probably not written by Moses but is a composite work) or does he go the whole way (Christ probably never said x,y,z)?


Just came across this: http://orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/fr-paul-tarazi-from-study-to-heresy.aspx

I justread the link you provided.  Well, Fr. Paul Nadim Tarazi DOES have a doctorate and is a respected professor of Holy Scripture at St. Vladimir's orthoodx Seminary: that speaks volumes for me.  Perhaps the Archimandrite criticising him lacks the benefit of the same academic background?  Here is another interpretation of Fr. Paul's book for example:

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New Testament Introduction, The, vol. I; Paul and Mark
Fr Tarazi explains how the very concept of a New Testament "scripture" came into being, beginning with Paul's letters. Paul's death then left a void in the leadership of Gentile Christianity, which was still under attack by Jewish Christianity. In order to defend the faith as it was preached by Paul, some of his followers created what is now the Gospel of Mark. Their purpose was not to make a historical chronicle of Jesus' life or a systematic presentation of Christian doctrine, but rather to defend Paul's conception of Christianity from the remaining (Jewish) apostles. In writing the story of Jesus, they interpreted Jesus himself and the events of his life according to what they knew of the teaching s and life story of their own leader Paul.
http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2007/08/liberal-orthodoxy.html

By the way the other author mentioned does not have the same academic background nor is he a respected professor at an Orthodox seminary.

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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2016, 06:14:57 PM »
I have read a couple of Fr. Lawrence's books and enjoyed them very much. They are not written for scholars, but for common folk.  From his introduction: "This commentary was written for your grandmother.  And for your banker, plumber, your next-door neighbour.  And the girl who serves you French fries at the nearby McDonald's." It is written for the average layman who wants to know what the scriptures mean.

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Perhaps the Archimandrite criticising him lacks the benefit of the same academic background?

Archimandrite Touma is a St Vlad's grad, actually....  From the academic perspective, though, most of Fr Tarazi's theories are quite unique to him and haven't had much (or any?) reception in biblical studies apart from among his own students.

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Perhaps the Archimandrite criticising him lacks the benefit of the same academic background?

Archimandrite Touma is a St Vlad's grad, actually....  From the academic perspective, though, most of Fr Tarazi's theories are quite unique to him and haven't had much (or any?) reception in biblical studies apart from among his own students.

But does Archimandrite Touma have a doctorate?  Is he a respected and published scholar like Fr. Tarazi?
Just look at his publications?
http://www.svots.edu/content/very-rev-paul-nadim-tarazi

he has published in peer reviewed journals: not self-published or with a vanity press.  Notice he has presented & published at SBL: a very prestigious Biblical academic organization as well as similar publications or presentation at European Biblical conferences or academic organizations.  So I don't see why you think he has "unique" or hertetical "theories."
I mean afterall, he is the Editor of The Chrysostom Bible, A Commentary Series for Teaching and Preaching, OCABS Press Commentary series available for electronic download and in hard copy.   A "heretic" would be chosen or trusted as editor.


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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2016, 06:40:36 PM »
Thanks for all the replies. Sorry for getting people into trouble with clerical titles, I hadn't realised they were priests either.

I asked about Fr. Paul Tarazi because nearly every one of his books are required reading for the Antiochian House of Studies courses (I'm not planning to sign up, but am interested in what's being taught in the various Orthodox theology programmes) and I had never heard of him before, so I was wondering why his works were preferred over Fr. Lawrence Farley's (besides the fact that the former has written a lot on the OT whereas the latter seems to only have NT commentaries).

So I assume modern Biblical criticism is the problem? Is he of the moderate variety (Genesis probably not written by Moses but is a composite work) or does he go the whole way (Christ probably never said x,y,z)?


Just came across this: http://orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/fr-paul-tarazi-from-study-to-heresy.aspx

I justread the link you provided.  Well, Fr. Paul Nadim Tarazi DOES have a doctorate and is a respected professor of Holy Scripture at St. Vladimir's orthoodx Seminary: that speaks volumes for me.  Perhaps the Archimandrite criticising him lacks the benefit of the same academic background?  Here is another interpretation of Fr. Paul's book for example:

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New Testament Introduction, The, vol. I; Paul and Mark
Fr Tarazi explains how the very concept of a New Testament "scripture" came into being, beginning with Paul's letters. Paul's death then left a void in the leadership of Gentile Christianity, which was still under attack by Jewish Christianity. In order to defend the faith as it was preached by Paul, some of his followers created what is now the Gospel of Mark. Their purpose was not to make a historical chronicle of Jesus' life or a systematic presentation of Christian doctrine, but rather to defend Paul's conception of Christianity from the remaining (Jewish) apostles. In writing the story of Jesus, they interpreted Jesus himself and the events of his life according to what they knew of the teaching s and life story of their own leader Paul.
http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2007/08/liberal-orthodoxy.html

By the way the other author mentioned does not have the same academic background nor is he a respected professor at an Orthodox seminary.

Wow, Punch called it. This really is hubristic, impious rot.

Can you explain your basis for deciding that someone credentialed by a society-accredited institution will be the superior teacher of the faith?
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2016, 06:45:19 PM »
... presented & published at SBL: a very prestigious Biblical academic organization as well as similar publications or presentation at European Biblical conferences or academic organizations.  So I don't see why you think he has "unique" or hertetical "theories."

This has to be conscious irony? You feign to marvel how someone could be heretical who basks in the plaudits of heretics? If so, well done.
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2016, 06:51:15 PM »
If this article is at least half true, I'd never even smell any book by Fr. Paul.
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he has published in peer reviewed journals: not self-published or with a vanity press.  Notice he has presented & published at SBL: a very prestigious Biblical academic organization as well as similar publications or presentation at European Biblical conferences or academic organizations.  So I don't see why you think he has "unique" or hertetical "theories."

It's not that hard to hold idiosyncratic ideas and still take part in academic conferences. People just don't pick up your ideas... which is basically what the (non-) reception of Fr Tarazi's theories about Paul has been.

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2016, 07:06:36 PM »
That's kind of my issue with Fr Touma's criticism of Fr Tarazi... he's not actually representative of mainstream biblical studies, so it's not a case of "heretical academia" versus Orthodoxy but of a teacher who is well-loved among his students (by all accounts Fr Tarazi is very pastoral and a good pedagogue), but who is also a bit of a crank, from the perspective of his field, when it comes to his pet theories. And the world is full of cranks with PhD's, some of whom are great at teaching, so it's not that unusual. It's just that the Orthodox are very weak in terms of biblical studies and so Fr Tarazi was for a long time something of the only game in town in North America.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2016, 11:17:11 PM »
I have had many friends who graduated from St. Vlad's and I audited two classes of his.  My impression was he wanted to give a shock factor and hyperbole to impress on his students the importance of the Scriptures.  Sometimes, we list patristic works and we forget about the Scriptures completely, which does not bode well for Orthodoxy.  So he will make harsh statements against Church fathers just so that he can take the seminarians back to basics of the Bible, and also because he does not like the arrogance of certain seminarians who think they know better and try to challenge his Orthodoxy.

He does have a Church father he loves: St. John Chrysostom.  Last I remember he considers his exegesis much better than any other Church father he read, and he certainly does not have patience for Alexandrian allegorical methods.  But that still does not give me the impression of some sort of heresy.  As one close Coptic friend told me who is a Deacon in our Church, "you leave his class with a much better appreciation of using the Bible in all your teachings and studies."  Despite his many controversial methods, if one can humbly take that from him, that says a lot as to why he is still teaching.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 12:01:47 AM »
It could also explain his seeming less uncomfortable to the Antiochians, considering their Sola Scriptura backgrounds.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2016, 12:30:31 AM »
I highly recommend Lopuhin's Bible commentary. I go to it when I want a modern standard EO reading of verses.
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2016, 12:35:30 AM »
I highly recommend Lopuhin's Bible commentary. I go to it when I want a modern standard EO reading of verses.
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2016, 07:58:41 AM »
I have had many friends who graduated from St. Vlad's and I audited two classes of his.  My impression was he wanted to give a shock factor and hyperbole to impress on his students the importance of the Scriptures.  Sometimes, we list patristic works and we forget about the Scriptures completely, which does not bode well for Orthodoxy.  So he will make harsh statements against Church fathers just so that he can take the seminarians back to basics of the Bible, and also because he does not like the arrogance of certain seminarians who think they know better and try to challenge his Orthodoxy.

He does have a Church father he loves: St. John Chrysostom.  Last I remember he considers his exegesis much better than any other Church father he read, and he certainly does not have patience for Alexandrian allegorical methods.  But that still does not give me the impression of some sort of heresy.  As one close Coptic friend told me who is a Deacon in our Church, "you leave his class with a much better appreciation of using the Bible in all your teachings and studies."  Despite his many controversial methods, if one can humbly take that from him, that says a lot as to why he is still teaching.

That's very interesting.
And by the way Fr. Paul's education was all in Orthodox Institutions. He does not have a doctorate for example from a Catholic university or a Protestant school.  And his books have been printed by Orthodox publishing houses.  He is respected by various Orthodox jurisdictions.  I do not nderstand this attack on him or calling him a heretic.  I mentioned his membership and contribution to academic societies to show that none of his books are  considered out of line by various other Biblical scholars.

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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2016, 12:52:18 PM »
I highly recommend Lopuhin's Bible commentary. I go to it when I want a modern standard EO reading of verses.
You need Google Translate if you don't know Russian, but I think you will get the jist, and you can ask me if you need translation help.

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I think one shouldn't limit oneself to only Farley and Tarazi among 20th c. Bible commentaries. If you need help with a translatio, let me know, porter.

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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2016, 01:31:00 PM »
I have had many friends who graduated from St. Vlad's and I audited two classes of his.  My impression was he wanted to give a shock factor and hyperbole to impress on his students the importance of the Scriptures.  Sometimes, we list patristic works and we forget about the Scriptures completely, which does not bode well for Orthodoxy.  So he will make harsh statements against Church fathers just so that he can take the seminarians back to basics of the Bible, and also because he does not like the arrogance of certain seminarians who think they know better and try to challenge his Orthodoxy.

He does have a Church father he loves: St. John Chrysostom.  Last I remember he considers his exegesis much better than any other Church father he read, and he certainly does not have patience for Alexandrian allegorical methods.  But that still does not give me the impression of some sort of heresy.  As one close Coptic friend told me who is a Deacon in our Church, "you leave his class with a much better appreciation of using the Bible in all your teachings and studies."  Despite his many controversial methods, if one can humbly take that from him, that says a lot as to why he is still teaching.

That's very interesting.
And by the way Fr. Paul's education was all in Orthodox Institutions. He does not have a doctorate for example from a Catholic university or a Protestant school.  And his books have been printed by Orthodox publishing houses.  He is respected by various Orthodox jurisdictions.  I do not nderstand this attack on him or calling him a heretic.  I mentioned his membership and contribution to academic societies to show that none of his books are  considered out of line by various other Biblical scholars.

You can't have it both ways. The scholarship does not allow the Tradition, and the Tradition is foundational to Orthodox instruction. If anything, your choices in support of the priest are doubly accusing of him.
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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2016, 02:26:54 PM »
I have had many friends who graduated from St. Vlad's and I audited two classes of his.  My impression was he wanted to give a shock factor and hyperbole to impress on his students the importance of the Scriptures.  Sometimes, we list patristic works and we forget about the Scriptures completely, which does not bode well for Orthodoxy.  So he will make harsh statements against Church fathers just so that he can take the seminarians back to basics of the Bible, and also because he does not like the arrogance of certain seminarians who think they know better and try to challenge his Orthodoxy.

He does have a Church father he loves: St. John Chrysostom.  Last I remember he considers his exegesis much better than any other Church father he read, and he certainly does not have patience for Alexandrian allegorical methods.  But that still does not give me the impression of some sort of heresy.  As one close Coptic friend told me who is a Deacon in our Church, "you leave his class with a much better appreciation of using the Bible in all your teachings and studies."  Despite his many controversial methods, if one can humbly take that from him, that says a lot as to why he is still teaching.

That's very interesting.
And by the way Fr. Paul's education was all in Orthodox Institutions. He does not have a doctorate for example from a Catholic university or a Protestant school.  And his books have been printed by Orthodox publishing houses.  He is respected by various Orthodox jurisdictions.  I do not nderstand this attack on him or calling him a heretic.  I mentioned his membership and contribution to academic societies to show that none of his books are  considered out of line by various other Biblical scholars.

You can't have it both ways. The scholarship does not allow the Tradition, and the Tradition is foundational to Orthodox instruction. If anything, your choices in support of the priest are doubly accusing of him.

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Re: Tarazi vs. Farley
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2016, 09:50:00 PM »
"Bible scholars" mostly have a very myopic view of the Bible. They can get 100 meanings for a Hebrew word yet they can't say why the Pentateuch and the gospels were compiled in the same book.
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