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« Reply #180 on: March 08, 2013, 06:02:06 PM »

If the Pope become Orthodox,

I guess his successor will have to keep a close eye on him to make sure that doesn't happen. Wink
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« Reply #181 on: March 08, 2013, 06:03:17 PM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

Welcome to the ranks of our group of those illustrous men banished from CAF.

You mean permanently? If so I guess I don't qualify.
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« Reply #182 on: March 08, 2013, 06:12:43 PM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

Welcome to the ranks of our group of those illustrous men banished from CAF.

You mean permanently? If so I guess I don't qualify.

Yes, yes. We can't allow just anyone in our club.
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« Reply #183 on: March 08, 2013, 06:34:05 PM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

Welcome to the ranks of our group of those illustrous men banished from CAF.

You mean permanently? If so I guess I don't qualify.

Wouldn't know- the people on CAF like me- until I get in the Traditionalists section. Then people don't like me no more...  Cry I mean, just because some of my traditions are older than Trent...
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« Reply #184 on: March 08, 2013, 06:59:03 PM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

How the heck did *that* happen??

I called someone a "papist"  Grin
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« Reply #185 on: March 08, 2013, 06:59:44 PM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

Welcome to the ranks of our group of those illustrous men banished from CAF.

You mean permanently? If so I guess I don't qualify.

Well, current acount is suspended.  But I have been banned before Wink
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« Reply #186 on: March 08, 2013, 07:41:19 PM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

How the heck did *that* happen??

I called someone a "papist"  Grin
I was also banned from CAF. Smiley
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« Reply #187 on: March 08, 2013, 07:43:41 PM »

"papism" is a forbidden word.

Hmmm ... maybe after all these years, we should start a "Change Papist's Screenname" campaign.

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Change? On an Orthodox forum? Is outrage!!!!
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« Reply #188 on: March 08, 2013, 08:06:17 PM »


(Perhaps you could also clarify what you mean by "the Roman Church".)

Roman Church means the Church of Rome, and those under her jurisdiction (Pastor Aeternus aside) and celebrates the Roman Rite.

That really isn't "a church".

I'm not saying that would be a bad thing -- in that case, presumably the Mozarabic Rite, the Bragan Rite, the Ambrosian Rite etc would each correspond to a separate church -- but it's no good pretending things that really aren't.

The Pope is the Bishop of Rome, so it is the Roman Church.  The Pope isn't the Bishop of Latin.

Well, I don't object to the Diocese of Rome being called a church. What I meant is that all those who use the Roman Rite aren't a church -- depending how you look at it, they are either many churches (many dioceses), or a portion of one church (the Latin Church).

After your years in Eastern Catholicism, I would think you'd understand the difference between a church and a rite.
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« Reply #189 on: March 08, 2013, 08:13:05 PM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

Welcome to the ranks of our group of those illustrous men banished from CAF.

You mean permanently? If so I guess I don't qualify.

Wouldn't know- the people on CAF like me- until I get in the Traditionalists section. Then people don't like me no more...  Cry I mean, just because some of my traditions are older than Trent...

Recently I've been getting on alright with some of the Catholics that I used to butt-heads with a lot Smiley, but even so I feel like its a cordiality with little underlying agreement.  Undecided
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« Reply #190 on: March 08, 2013, 09:25:41 PM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

Welcome to the ranks of our group of those illustrous men banished from CAF.

You mean permanently? If so I guess I don't qualify.

Wouldn't know- the people on CAF like me- until I get in the Traditionalists section. Then people don't like me no more...  Cry I mean, just because some of my traditions are older than Trent...

Recently I've been getting on alright with some of the Catholics that I used to butt-heads with a lot Smiley, but even so I feel like its a cordiality with little underlying agreement.  Undecided

They're fine until I mention I like the NO Mass because its elements are older. "Oh, you mean THAT thing? That thing which was nOT promulgated by the Council of Trent! And God-forbid, allowed people to not use entirely Latin? Is outrage!!" Roll Eyes
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« Reply #191 on: April 22, 2013, 08:17:30 AM »

What's not to like about Papist?  Wink  (Isa, don't answer that  Grin!)

The fact that his username got me banned from CAF  Grin Grin Grin

Welcome to the ranks of our group of those illustrous men banished from CAF.

You mean permanently? If so I guess I don't qualify.

Wouldn't know- the people on CAF like me- until I get in the Traditionalists section. Then people don't like me no more...  Cry I mean, just because some of my traditions are older than Trent...

Recently I've been getting on alright with some of the Catholics that I used to butt-heads with a lot Smiley, but even so I feel like its a cordiality with little underlying agreement.  Undecided

They're fine until I mention I like the NO Mass because its elements are older. "Oh, you mean THAT thing? That thing which was nOT promulgated by the Council of Trent! And God-forbid, allowed people to not use entirely Latin? Is outrage!!" Roll Eyes
In his famous Bull Quo Primum, Pope St. Pius V forbade changing the traditional Latin Mass.

 

Pope St. Pius V, Quo Primum Tempore, July 14, 1570:

“Now, therefore, in order that all everywhere may adopt and observe what has been delivered to them by the Holy Roman Church, Mother and Mistress of the other churches, it shall be unlawful henceforth and forever throughout the Christian world to sing or to read Masses according to any formula other than this Missal published by Us… Accordingly, no one whosoever is permitted to infringe or rashly contravene this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, direction, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition.  Should any venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.4]

 

They could clearly see that the Latin version of the New Mass was a striking departure from the teaching of the Council of Trent.  Of the twelve offertory prayers in the Traditional Mass, only two are retained in the New Mass.  The deleted offertory prayers are the same ones that the Protestant heretics Martin Luther and Thomas Cranmer eliminated.  The New Mass was promulgated by Paul VI with the help of six Protestant Ministers.

 

The six Protestant Ministers who helped design the New Mass were: Drs. George, Jasper, Shepherd, Kunneth, Smith and Thurian.

 

Paul VI even admitted to his good friend Jean Guitton that his intention in changing the Mass was to make it Protestant.

 

Jean Guitton (an intimate friend of Paul VI) wrote: “The intention of Pope Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the [New] Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy.  There was with Pope Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or, at least to correct, or, at least to relax, what was too Catholic in the traditional sense in the Mass and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist Mass.
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