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Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« on: August 08, 2013, 01:09:47 PM »
This bishop seems to be very bored:

A few weeks ago some men who formed a parish in Taiwan under Moscow were excommunicated. Now a gentleman from the Philippines has been excommunicated...
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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 01:28:41 PM »
The church should excommunicate schismatics, who represent themselves as Orthodox, but are self-appointed.
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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 01:32:47 PM »
I'm willing to bet that the so-called schismatic group is probably the Patriarchate of Moscow. That's what turned out to be the 'schismatic group' the last time that particular hierarch made a public excommunication.

Edit: one of the commenters on that blog seems to confirm my suspicion.
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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 01:33:59 PM »
The church should excommunicate schismatics, who represent themselves as Orthodox, but are self-appointed.

Does Moscow Patriarchate "represent themselves as Orthodox, but are self-appointed"?
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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 01:37:53 PM »
I'm willing to bet that the so-called schismatic group is probably the Patriarchate of Moscow. That's what turned out to be the 'schismatic group' the last time that particular hierarch made a public excommunication.

Monk Felipe Balingit is a member of the Moscow Patriarchate, under the ROCOR Metropolitan Hilarion.  Seems like there's going to be another situation between the EP and the MP.  When will this end?
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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 04:49:38 PM »
The church should excommunicate schismatics, who represent themselves as Orthodox, but are self-appointed.

I withdraw this comment if, indeed, the individual at issue is a cleric of the Patriarchate of Moscow, Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, or if he's a cleric of any of the Holy Orthodox Churches; the churches whose prelates are commemorated within the Diptychs.  The article had seemed to me as if the individual was self-ordained, or associated with a schismatic entity.  If the individual is a canonical cleric, the Holy Metropolis of Hong Kong would not even have the authority to excommunicate.  Is excommunication within the authority of a diocesan bishop, or isn't the bishop responsible to bring the matter before the Synod under which he serves?  A bishop can bar one of his own priests, monks or laity, from Holy Communion, but can he unilaterally excommunicate a cleric?  I wouldn't think he could.
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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2013, 04:58:43 PM »
The church should excommunicate schismatics, who represent themselves as Orthodox, but are self-appointed.

I withdraw this comment if, indeed, the individual at issue is a cleric of the Patriarchate of Moscow, Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, or if he's a cleric of any of the Holy Orthodox Churches; the churches whose prelates are commemorated within the Diptychs.  The article had seemed to me as if the individual was self-ordained, or associated with a schismatic entity.  If the individual is a canonical cleric, the Holy Metropolis of Hong Kong would not even have the authority to excommunicate.  Is excommunication within the authority of a diocesan bishop, or isn't the bishop responsible to bring the matter before the Synod under which he serves?  A bishop can bar one of his own priests, monks or laity, from Holy Communion, but can he unilaterally excommunicate a cleric?  I wouldn't think he could.

It's not an article. It's a pronouncement by a bishop who seems to have too much free time and needs to find some hobby.
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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2013, 05:30:59 PM »
The church should excommunicate schismatics, who represent themselves as Orthodox, but are self-appointed.

I withdraw this comment if, indeed, the individual at issue is a cleric of the Patriarchate of Moscow, Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, or if he's a cleric of any of the Holy Orthodox Churches; the churches whose prelates are commemorated within the Diptychs.  The article had seemed to me as if the individual was self-ordained, or associated with a schismatic entity.  If the individual is a canonical cleric, the Holy Metropolis of Hong Kong would not even have the authority to excommunicate.  Is excommunication within the authority of a diocesan bishop, or isn't the bishop responsible to bring the matter before the Synod under which he serves?  A bishop can bar one of his own priests, monks or laity, from Holy Communion, but can he unilaterally excommunicate a cleric?  I wouldn't think he could.

It's not an article. It's a pronouncement by a bishop who seems to have too much free time and needs to find some hobby.

I wish all EOs had this approach to the ecclesiastical politics. We would have a lot less problems.
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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2013, 05:35:13 PM »
The church should excommunicate schismatics, who represent themselves as Orthodox, but are self-appointed.

I withdraw this comment if, indeed, the individual at issue is a cleric of the Patriarchate of Moscow, Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, or if he's a cleric of any of the Holy Orthodox Churches; the churches whose prelates are commemorated within the Diptychs.  The article had seemed to me as if the individual was self-ordained, or associated with a schismatic entity.  If the individual is a canonical cleric, the Holy Metropolis of Hong Kong would not even have the authority to excommunicate.  Is excommunication within the authority of a diocesan bishop, or isn't the bishop responsible to bring the matter before the Synod under which he serves?  A bishop can bar one of his own priests, monks or laity, from Holy Communion, but can he unilaterally excommunicate a cleric?  I wouldn't think he could.

It's not an article. It's a pronouncement by a bishop who seems to have too much free time and needs to find some hobby.

I wish all EOs had this approach to the ecclesiastical politics. We would have a lot less problems.

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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2013, 05:36:37 PM »
Paraphrasing Dante: The roads in hell are paved with the heads of priests, and the lampposts are the bishops. True then, true sadly today.

I thought that was St. John Chrysostom.

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Re: Hong Kong Metropolitanate continues to excommunicate
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2013, 05:37:00 PM »
Paraphrasing Dante: The roads in hell are paved with the heads of priests, and the lampposts are the bishops. True then, true sadly today.

I thought that was St. John Chrysostom.

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