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« on: February 25, 2013, 01:42:01 AM »

Today an Inquirer asked me to give at least 12 signs that the Orthodox Church is Christ's True and only Church. I provided hmi with several. What twelve would you give him?
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2013, 02:06:00 AM »

How about the names of the 12 Apostles?
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2013, 03:18:19 AM »

I like the 12 apostles answer.

I don't have 12 more.

Hearing about non-decomposing saints pretty much impresses me.

Historic lineage as a church.

Lack of changing theology. Who needs change when you got it right?
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2013, 03:32:41 AM »

Echad Mi Yodea?
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2013, 03:42:25 AM »

Echad Mi Yodea?
What is that?
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2013, 03:47:20 AM »


Opps. Apparently there are 13 not 12 signs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echad_Mi_Yodea
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2013, 03:51:28 AM »

The "twelve signs" question sounds familiar. Is your friend LDS or talking to LDS missionaries? Years ago when I looked into that faith,  they were citing 'twelve signs' as a proof of their religion.

Here's a link to an LDS article by the same title:
http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/12signs.htm
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2013, 08:41:47 AM »

What does the Lord say about those who seek signs?
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2013, 10:42:18 AM »

The Question perhaps needs a little more clarification. The young man is a 17 year old who, facing many differing denominations, is trying to figure out WHY the Orthodox Church is the True Church over the other churches and denominations. He is coming out of an Evangelical Bible Church   and does not agree with the sola scriptura rigidity of that nondenominational church. His concern is that the Orthodox Church claims to be THE CHURCH, and he is confused about the other "Christian" churches---Why aren't they part of THE CHURCH in the view of the Orthodox---so what he is really asking is what are the signs or points of belief that make the Orthodox Church different from the others and thus be the TRUE Church. What makes the True Church different from the other denominations in the world.

Note I have already given him:
1) Apostolicity (he says that Rome Claims that as well)
2) Unchanging doctrine or teaching. (no response to that)
3) A clear line of worship formula back to the Didache (Teachings of the Apostles) - he notes a similar line with the  Roman catholics, Episcopal, Lutheran i.e. the Liturgical Churches.
4) Worship conforming to the worship in Heaven (Book of Revelations)
5) Congregations of Saints (Modern and ancient going back to our Lord Jesus Christ)
6)Apostolic Succession (clainms Rome and Epsicopalians have this)


What are some of the signs that you would have given him?
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013, 10:44:26 AM »

What does the Lord say about those who seek signs?


Brilliant! Cheesy

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013, 10:54:04 AM »


13.   Thirteen are the temperaments of God

Exactly what are the 13 temperaments of God?
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2013, 03:16:19 PM »

7) Respect of God's mystery, and the apophatic theology that acknowledges the limits of human reason.
Cool Maintaining the collegial ecclesiology that is found in Scripture and history
9) Maintaining the original weekly fasts proscribed by the Didache (Wednesday and Friday)
10) Continued celebration of the ancient feasts in the ancient way (We're the only ones who do the Sunday of Orthodoxy or, as far as I know, have feasts for the Fathers of Councils)
11) The only Church that continues the practice of Baptism, Communion, and Chrismation for infants
12) The only Church that still practices the original method of glorifying saints.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 03:38:38 PM »

Since all Trinitarian Christians use the same source document, there are bound to be similarities, or agreements, on the basic principles of the Gospel. That said, the differences are important, not because they are differences per se, but because they point to correct praxis and beliefs. For example, take the idea of apostolic succession in the context of the Creed (in one holy, catholic and Apostolic Church). Clearly, apostolic succession does not refer only to consecrations of bishops by those whose own consecration reaches back to the apostles. Here, we are also expecting that the newly consecrated bishop  is in agreement with the Apostles' teachings and practices. Clearly, the Roman Catholic Church and other heterodox churches that claim to have apostolic succession fail the second test. There is of course a huge problem with many Protestants not paying attention to, or glossing over, John 6. Thus, one ends up with one answer: only the Eastern Orthodox Church is truly the "one holy, catholic and apostolic Church."
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2013, 05:32:15 PM »

It sounds as if you've covered the rational/logical arguments for Orthodoxy fairly well. I'd suggest discussing the continuing tradition of asceticism & mysticism that is unique to Orthodoxy, and the consistency of miracles (light-bearing Saints,  etc.) that trace back through the history of the Church.  No denomination that I know of offers a methodical (if that's the right word) path to theosis...which is what the soul hungers for.
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