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An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« on: January 27, 2013, 07:31:49 AM »
As a grad student in history, one of the required classes we must take is a research seminar, where you and a few other grad students help a professor with research and learn how to do it yourselves. The topic varies from professor to professor, but this one is with the classical/early church historian. We're studying the excavation of the monastery of St. Euthymius in Palestine, and the interesting personalities connected to said excavation. Part of the course also includes understanding early church history, particularly in the East.

As such, our reading list includes Bp. Ware's The Orthodox Church, a couple of books on early church monasticism, and Derwas Chitty's The Desert a City.

Nice set, huh? :P

Our professor is also in contact with Bp. Ware, since the latter knew Derwas Chitty, one of the main people we're looking at in the course.

My professor, for the record, isn't Orthodox himself, but his wife is.
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 07:37:23 AM »
This sounds fun and fantastic!  Enjoy the class!!!

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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 07:57:20 AM »
That sounds like the kind of class I'd love to audit! ;) Enjoy!
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 09:41:28 AM »
Glad you guys like it. I'm looking forward to getting further into it as well.
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 11:41:31 AM »
Derwas Chitty's The Desert a City.

It's been so long since I red this, I feel ashamed  :)  Enjoy your class!

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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 12:41:41 PM »
As such, our reading list includes Bp. Ware's The Orthodox Church, a couple of books on early church monasticism, and Derwas Chitty's The Desert a City.

This is a graduate "class"?
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2013, 04:11:56 PM »
As such, our reading list includes Bp. Ware's The Orthodox Church, a couple of books on early church monasticism, and Derwas Chitty's The Desert a City.

This is a graduate "class"?

Yes, although it's technically a research seminar.
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2013, 01:53:44 PM »
This week, we are discussing The Orthodox Church by Abp. Ware.

My questions are:

What is theosis?

What were the two Iconoclasms over? How was the issue resolved?

What kind of experiences did the Patriarchates of Constantinople and Jerusalem have under Turkish rule in the 20th century?
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 03:00:50 PM »
My professor, for the record, isn't Orthodox himself, but his wife is.

What is his religion? I'm curious because of his knowledge of early Christianity.

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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 03:28:27 PM »
My professor, for the record, isn't Orthodox himself, but his wife is.

What is his religion? I'm curious because of his knowledge of early Christianity.

I don't think he's all that religious himself, but he was raised Anglican. He is also the school's classical/ancient historian, so it comes with the territory. I could be misjudging it entirely of course, but he has said he is not a member of the Orthodox church himself.
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 03:35:42 PM »
This week, we are discussing The Orthodox Church by Abp. Ware.

My questions are:

What is theosis?

What were the two Iconoclasms over? How was the issue resolved?

What kind of experiences did the Patriarchates of Constantinople and Jerusalem have under Turkish rule in the 20th century?

Do you want us to make your homework?  :o
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2013, 04:19:16 PM »
This week, we are discussing The Orthodox Church by Abp. Ware.

My questions are:

What is theosis?

What were the two Iconoclasms over? How was the issue resolved?

What kind of experiences did the Patriarchates of Constantinople and Jerusalem have under Turkish rule in the 20th century?

Do you want us to make your homework?  :o
I think we've already done it  :D. Running a few searches on this site will be enough to answer the questions.

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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2013, 04:41:38 PM »
This week, we are discussing The Orthodox Church by Abp. Ware.

My questions are:

What is theosis?

What were the two Iconoclasms over? How was the issue resolved?

What kind of experiences did the Patriarchates of Constantinople and Jerusalem have under Turkish rule in the 20th century?

Do you want us to make your homework?  :o

Cyrillic, here is what you should be seeing here: "graduate" level work in America is often much less rigorous than whatever you call in your tongue the smart track of secondary education in Europe.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2013, 05:32:46 PM »
That only sounds cool if many field trips to the site are involved.

As someone going into higher education in a few months, I'm curious: what do you plan on doing with a graduate degree in history?
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2013, 05:57:17 PM »
No, I wasn't looking for homework help. Abp. Ware's book is sufficient for this discussion.

That only sounds cool if many field trips to the site are involved.

As someone going into higher education in a few months, I'm curious: what do you plan on doing with a graduate degree in history?

That's a good question.

I'd like to be a professor, honestly, but outside of education, you can also get jobs with museums, tourism, the State Dept, the Defense Dept, National and State Parks, and more.
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2013, 06:08:14 PM »
Cyrillic, here is what you should be seeing here: "graduate" level work in America is often much less rigorous than whatever you call in your tongue the smart track of secondary education in Europe.

Ah, I see. Even I could fill in those questions. Perhaps I should consider moving to Murrica.
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2013, 07:21:35 PM »
Cyrillic, here is what you should be seeing here: "graduate" level work in America is often much less rigorous than whatever you call in your tongue the smart track of secondary education in Europe.

Ah, I see. Even I could fill in those questions. Perhaps I should consider moving to Murrica.

When it comes to University, the USA still is the elites. But as always, your mileage may vary.

University / professional track "high school" in Europe is about equivalent to four years at a good American high school and two years at a decent University.

With a brain like yours, you probably ought to enroll directly into graduate education / professional schools in America.

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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2013, 07:29:39 PM »
Cyrillic, here is what you should be seeing here: "graduate" level work in America is often much less rigorous than whatever you call in your tongue the smart track of secondary education in Europe.

Ah, I see. Even I could fill in those questions. Perhaps I should consider moving to Murrica.

Leiden Uni is pretty cool for Classics. Hebrew and Aramaic studies also - the fabulous Takamitsu Muraoka taught there.

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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2013, 09:25:33 PM »
Cyrillic, here is what you should be seeing here: "graduate" level work in America is often much less rigorous than whatever you call in your tongue the smart track of secondary education in Europe.

Ah, I see. Even I could fill in those questions. Perhaps I should consider moving to Murrica.

Well, since this class is not a study of the Orthodox church itself, I kept the questions simple.
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2013, 12:46:52 AM »
Wow. This course sounds like quite a treat!
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2013, 01:09:22 AM »
Cyrillic, here is what you should be seeing here: "graduate" level work in America is often much less rigorous than whatever you call in your tongue the smart track of secondary education in Europe.

Ah, I see. Even I could fill in those questions. Perhaps I should consider moving to Murrica.

Leiden Uni is pretty cool for Classics. Hebrew and Aramaic studies also - the fabulous Takamitsu Muraoka taught there.
Oh, there's been a lot more Orientalists and Middle East specialists associated with Leiden.
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2013, 01:20:31 AM »
Cyrillic, here is what you should be seeing here: "graduate" level work in America is often much less rigorous than whatever you call in your tongue the smart track of secondary education in Europe.

Ah, I see. Even I could fill in those questions. Perhaps I should consider moving to Murrica.

Leiden Uni is pretty cool for Classics. Hebrew and Aramaic studies also - the fabulous Takamitsu Muraoka taught there.
Oh, there's been a lot more Orientalists and Middle East specialists associated with Leiden.

I know - if I lived there, I wouldn't dream of going anywhere else to study. (Maybe Leuven, if Patristics is a priority.)

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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2013, 01:55:38 AM »
Wow. This course sounds like quite a treat!

Oh, it is!
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Re: An Interesting Class I'm Taking this Semester
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2013, 02:03:26 AM »
Cyrillic, here is what you should be seeing here: "graduate" level work in America is often much less rigorous than whatever you call in your tongue the smart track of secondary education in Europe.

Ah, I see. Even I could fill in those questions. Perhaps I should consider moving to Murrica.

When it comes to University, the USA still is the elites. But as always, your mileage may vary.

University / professional track "high school" in Europe is about equivalent to four years at a good American high school and two years at a decent University.

With a brain like yours, you probably ought to enroll directly into graduate education / professional schools in America.



while american education may not be as intense, the amount of people who go into continuing education or even finish high school is definitely higher than in Europe...IMO
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2013, 06:25:09 AM »
Leiden Uni is pretty cool for Classics. Hebrew and Aramaic studies also - the fabulous Takamitsu Muraoka taught there.

I think I'll stay in Leiden and study there next year if I pass my high school exams.

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