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« on: February 21, 2013, 05:10:04 PM » |
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I like Orthodox chanting very much, but one thing I miss from western tradition is that kind of peaceful solemnity of for example gregorian chant. I often find Orthodox chants either deep and slow or loud and fast. This is not something bad (quite the contrary) but I wondered if Orthodoxy has something similar to gregorian chant.. The only thing I have found so far is some georgian chants, like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqYY8Y6gvo |
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 05:35:49 PM » |
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Thou shalt not equate "Orthodox" with "Eastern". Western chants are Orthodox too.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 05:39:12 PM » |
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Thou shalt not equate "Orthodox" with "Eastern". Western chants are Orthodox too.
Yeah, but I mean something which is used in the Orthodox Church today.  I listen to gregorian chants very often. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 05:49:46 PM » |
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Thou shalt not equate "Orthodox" with "Eastern". Western chants are Orthodox too.
Yeah, but I mean something which is used in the Orthodox Church today. I listen to gregorian chants very often. AFAIK, it is. WRO. But anyway, why does it matter whether it is actually used since supposedly you listen to recordings anyway? |
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 05:54:29 PM » |
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Thou shalt not equate "Orthodox" with "Eastern". Western chants are Orthodox too.
Yeah, but I mean something which is used in the Orthodox Church today. I listen to gregorian chants very often. AFAIK, it is. WRO. But anyway, why does it matter whether it is actually used since supposedly you listen to recordings anyway? Pure interest. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 08:17:45 PM » |
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Indeed, Gregorian chant is used in Orthodox parishes of the Western Rite.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 11:52:57 PM » |
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Personally, a lot of Old Russian and Valaam chant sounds solemn to me--quiet, contemplative, like Gregorian chant.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2013, 11:55:07 PM » |
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Doesn't having chant that isn't solemn defeat the theological purpose of chant in the first place?
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 12:24:10 AM » |
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Doesn't having chant that isn't solemn defeat the theological purpose of chant in the first place?
This is what the word solemn means according to the dictionary: 1. marked by the invocation of a religious sanction 2. marked by the observance of established form or ceremony 3. awe-inspiring, sublime, solemn beauty Therefore, all chant should be considered solemn. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013, 10:17:00 AM » |
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This is why I highly dislike what they use in the big churches in russia
It is always fast, happy, jumpy, western notation singing
when the Patriarch of Georgia visited Russia, I was very happy when sometimes they did some Georgian style chants it sounded much more solemn, contemplative, and what really made it full was one of the old, humble looking bishops standing there seemed to be whispering something over and over to himself.... I would assume the jesus prayer. I wish he was patriarch of moscow... it almost made me cry
Also I saw a video of the Patriarch of Moscow visit the Valaam monastery, and I was very happy to hear some of the Valaam chants. Of course they put in some of the modern russian singsong chants, but at least about 50% of the time when they had the valaam chants i felt contemplative/prayerful.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2013, 08:48:06 AM » |
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As folks have mentioned here, I do find Valaam chant quite beautiful, peaceful and contemplative. Some examples: Psalm 103O Lord of HostsO Gladsome LightThe Eucharistic Canon |
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