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I ♥ Books
« on: February 20, 2013, 04:48:40 AM »
Let's talk about books... specifically, what is their future? Will they become obsolete and a novelty/niche thing with the growth of e-readers? If so, how long will it take before we really see their end as a common thing? What will the process look like? Will it be something of a generational thing, with future children growing up (in school) on e-readers and never really using books? If paper books do get replaced by electronic versions, what will that do to our culture? What will it do to publishing, casual reading, literature, etc.? Will public/university libraries, which can be expensive to run/maintain, become small little things with most of their "books" being available for online download rather than physical borrowing?
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2013, 04:59:08 AM »
I think books will always be with us. I hope so.  :)



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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2013, 05:02:05 AM »
I hope this eBook thing is a novelty, but I doubt it. Think of the potential of schoolbooks for kids. It could possibly halve the book fees for parents and reduce the weight of a schoolbag by 90%. That said, there is nothing better than buying a leatherbound, gold trimmed, 600 page classic. Plus people in cafes wouldn't be able to tell that you are reading Ulysses, so why else read it? Just joking.

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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2013, 06:34:16 AM »
I hope this eBook thing is a novelty, but I doubt it. Think of the potential of schoolbooks for kids. It could possibly halve the book fees for parents and reduce the weight of a schoolbag by 90%. That said, there is nothing better than buying a leatherbound, gold trimmed, 600 page classic. Plus people in cafes wouldn't be able to tell that you are reading Ulysses, so why else read it? Just joking.


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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2013, 06:50:25 AM »
I love my Kindle, and it has greatly enhanced my reading, but I don't think physical books will be disappearing in our lifetime. They may become more expensive, which isn't necessarily a bad thing (certainly not if it stops some tripe from being published).

Over the years of recession, the practice of book-swapping has grown so much that I can't see it dying down easily, even if the economy evens out. There's something wonderful about a used book, a feeling of connection to other people who read and enjoyed it before yourself. I see reading as an essentially social activity.

Ebooks might be just the thing for university students, to cut down on textbook prices and bulk, both of which are simply outrageous. For schoolkids... not so much. The lifespan of an e-reader in the hands of a 6-year-old would be as many days. ::)
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2013, 07:11:25 AM »
There's something wonderful about a used book, a feeling of connection to other people who read and enjoyed it before yourself. I see reading as an essentially social activity.

That's nice way to put it. I hope one day a have a whole room filled with used books. Somehow they look more nice than new books and it's more ecological too to buy second-hand stuff instead of new ones. My latest purchase was second-hand Finnish Quran from the 40's.

I believe books will be like vinyls are today. A vintage luxury.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2013, 07:22:40 AM »
That's nice way to put it. I hope one day a have a whole room filled with used books.

This is also a dream of mine. I just worry that, by the time I am in a position to actually build such a library, it won't be possible any longer.

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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2013, 07:30:07 AM »
That's nice way to put it. I hope one day a have a whole room filled with used books. Somehow they look more nice than new books and it's more ecological too to buy second-hand stuff instead of new ones. My latest purchase was second-hand Finnish Quran from the 40's.

I believe books will be like vinyls are today. A vintage luxury.

If I put all of my secondhands together, they'd probably take up more than a room. Between BookMooch, charity shops and Amazon bargains, there's a lot there. But you know what they say... if ever your shelves can hold all your books, it's time to buy more books! ;D
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 10:38:58 AM »
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This is also a dream of mine. I just worry that, by the time I am in a position to actually build such a library, it won't be possible any longer.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 11:03:06 AM »
I hope this eBook thing is a novelty, but I doubt it. Think of the potential of schoolbooks for kids. It could possibly halve the book fees for parents and reduce the weight of a schoolbag by 90%. That said, there is nothing better than buying a leatherbound, gold trimmed, 600 page classic. Plus people in cafes wouldn't be able to tell that you are reading Ulysses, so why else read it? Just joking.

It won't really do anything to book prices. E-books are not really any cheaper. They're ripping people off with real books (those $200 books cost about $10 to make), they're not stopping just because it costs nearly nothing to copy the book.

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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 11:05:03 AM »
People will always buy the books that are important to them in real rather than ebook form. I wouldn't want to be without the Bible or other books just because civilization ended and I couldn't charge my nook.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2013, 12:25:10 PM »
Let's talk about books... specifically, what is their future? Will they become obsolete and a novelty/niche thing with the growth of e-readers? If so, how long will it take before we really see their end as a common thing? What will the process look like? Will it be something of a generational thing, with future children growing up (in school) on e-readers and never really using books? If paper books do get replaced by electronic versions, what will that do to our culture? What will it do to publishing, casual reading, literature, etc.? Will public/university libraries, which can be expensive to run/maintain, become small little things with most of their "books" being available for online download rather than physical borrowing?
The thing I like about print books over elctronic books is that print books are easier to mark and write in.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2013, 12:26:48 PM »
Lately most books I've read were read from my computer screen. But that's because I'm glued to my screen.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2013, 12:53:17 PM »
print books are easier to mark and write in.

You might want to talk with your father confessor about that. It's terrible to read books with markings on them.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2013, 02:44:50 PM »
I actually read a pretty interesting blog post about this, arguing that, from a Christian perspective,  the advent of e-books is a good thing, since they remove the sort of pride that comes from reading difficult books in public or owning a large collection. I wish I could find it.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2013, 02:48:51 PM »
I love physical books but since I got a Kindle for my birthday the tremendous advantages of the format have become clear to me. Especially if you read a lot of old books (like any decent literate person should)- so many of them can gotten cheap or free and none of the massive shelf space and resultant complaints from the wife. I will however continue to retain and read physical copies of certain books, especially beloved classics.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2013, 03:47:31 PM »
I just ordered 7 books from Amazon with some old gift cards I'd been saving.  ;D
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2013, 01:19:52 PM »
Any of you bibliophiles out there old enough to rememeber the smell of new books!
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2013, 01:35:30 PM »
Any of you bibliophiles out there old enough to rememeber the smell of new books!

Of course. Despite the toxic fumes behind it. ;)
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2013, 01:56:14 PM »
I made an earlier comment about Captain Picard.  I do not know if people in the future will still have books in paper format, but I know I shall always enjoy reading paper format.  I see computer screens enough at work that when I am home and have the opporturnity to read Scripture, the Fathers, history, or a novel, I aways do so in paper format.  I find it easier to keep my place and it is easier on my eyes.

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2013, 09:50:04 PM »
I am a librarian, so folks think that I own hundreds of books. Nooooo.  That's why libraries exist.  So you don't have to buy them all.  Collect your favorites and get a library card.  No complaining spouses, no expensive additions to your house for bookshelves and no e-readers to make books extinct. 
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2013, 08:17:25 AM »
Any of you bibliophiles out there old enough to rememeber the smell of new books!

You do realize that they still print them, right?
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2013, 09:03:02 AM »
I am a librarian, so folks think that I own hundreds of books. Nooooo.  That's why libraries exist.  So you don't have to buy them all.  Collect your favorites and get a library card.  No complaining spouses, no expensive additions to your house for bookshelves and no e-readers to make books extinct. 

Nice to meet a fellow librarian on here!

I think the same way.  I have two decent library systems close to my house and take full advantage.  When we met, I had probably three times as many books as my wife did.  Now it's the other way around as I've jettisoned much of my collection of the past decade.  No reason to buy a book you'll probably only read once and never look at again.  If it really is that good, then perhaps you can buy it, but libraries are great for "try before you buy!"
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2013, 03:00:08 AM »
I am a librarian, so folks think that I own hundreds of books. Nooooo.  That's why libraries exist.  So you don't have to buy them all.  Collect your favorites and get a library card.  No complaining spouses, no expensive additions to your house for bookshelves and no e-readers to make books extinct. 
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2013, 07:41:34 AM »
I think books will always be with us. I hope so.  :)



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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2013, 07:53:39 AM »
I think books will always be with us. I hope so.  :)



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I do as well.  I have never really like ebooks. 

I love ebooks merely for their affordability and easy accessibility. But there is nothing like smelling the pages of a newly purchased book... mmmm. I think there will always be a market for physical books.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2013, 12:58:29 PM »
I think books will always be with us. I hope so.  :)



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I do as well.  I have never really like ebooks. 



I love ebooks merely for their affordability and easy accessibility. But there is nothing like smelling the pages of a newly purchased book... mmmm. I think there will always be a market for physical books.

Same here. I loves me some books. :)
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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2014, 04:37:03 PM »
I am a librarian, so folks think that I own hundreds of books. Nooooo.  That's why libraries exist.  So you don't have to buy them all.  Collect your favorites and get a library card.  No complaining spouses, no expensive additions to your house for bookshelves and no e-readers to make books extinct. 

Every library I go to always has a poor lineup and I have to order books from the central library anyway.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2014, 04:45:11 PM »
I am a librarian, so folks think that I own hundreds of books. Nooooo.  That's why libraries exist.  So you don't have to buy them all.  Collect your favorites and get a library card.  No complaining spouses, no expensive additions to your house for bookshelves and no e-readers to make books extinct.  
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Every library I go to always has a poor lineup and I have to order books from the central library anyway.
My local library has severely limited hours.  It only benefits kids during after school hours.  If I want that much noise, I'll go to the mall's bookstore
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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2014, 05:08:53 PM »
The local county library system here cut back hours a while back when they were having budget problems, but I find their decision confusing. The local branch here where I live, for example (which is the largest of the 27 public libraries in the county*) is closed on Friday and Sunday, and open on Saturday from 10am-1pm in the summer and 10am-5pm in the winter. I believe the other libraries have similar hours. I would think the weekend is when they'd get their heaviest traffic, so 3-6 hours for the entire weekend seems odd.


*though there is a slightly larger library here in town, at St. Vincent College
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2014, 05:49:53 PM »
Ours is in the county system and during the week it is open noon to 5.  I never go on weekends, but I think the hours are similar.
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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2014, 06:11:23 PM »
The village library is open Monday and Friday mornings and Tuesday and Thursday afternoons. It's also only slightly bigger than my living room. No wonder it doesn't get much traffic. Yay for the donation bookshelves in local shops.

There are at least three branches in town (all libraries in Essex are under one umbrella system); I've only used the central one, which is open Mon-Sat 9-5 and usually packed. It also allows up to 14 loans at any given time, for 3 weeks at a time, and 7 renewals of that time. That's how business is done.
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Re: I ♥ Books
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2014, 06:31:31 PM »
I just read a book called "The Optimist's guide to the future", and one of the last things he talked briefly about was the future of publishing.

He said that with the age of the Internet, publishers will no longer be forced to print a certain amount, which is always difficult to estimate accurately, so you end up with unsold books if it flops, or not enough and lose sales if it becomes a bestseller.

He believes that you will be able in the future to choose if you want a download or a print copy, and if so they will print it for extra cost, as it costs more to print than to send the data to you.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2014, 06:38:30 PM »
He believes that you will be able in the future to choose if you want a download or a print copy, and if so they will print it for extra cost, as it costs more to print than to send the data to you.

POD (print on demand) has already become a lot more reputable than it was a few short years ago.
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