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Armenian/OO Lent
« on: February 16, 2013, 11:28:46 PM »
I just came across a video on Youtube where the description mentions that Lent began on February 10th and ends on March 31st.

Is this accurate? If it is, is this particular to the Armenian Church? It's three days earlier than the RC Lent, although it does end on the same day.

Anything else about the topic of Armenian or OO Lent would be interesting too.

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2013, 12:42:05 AM »
In the diaspora, the Armenians celebrate Easter the same time as the Catholics do.  In Jerusalem, they celebrate it according to the old calendar.

We always start Lent on a Monday, rather than a Wednesday.

Here is a previous thread about OO's and Lent:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,11249.0.html

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2013, 12:55:02 AM »
In the diaspora, the Armenians celebrate Easter the same time as the Catholics do.  In Jerusalem, they celebrate it according to the old calendar.

We always start Lent on a Monday, rather than a Wednesday.

Here is a previous thread about OO's and Lent:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,11249.0.html

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2013, 11:06:01 AM »
In the diaspora, the Armenians celebrate Easter the same time as the Catholics do.  In Jerusalem, they celebrate it according to the old calendar.

We always start Lent on a Monday, rather than a Wednesday.

Here is a previous thread about OO's and Lent:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,11249.0.html
Armenians everywhere but Jerusalem celebrate Easter on the Western Calendar, and have since 1923.  It's not just the diaspora.  Jerusalem is bound by the Status Quo, which predates the change, thus they never switched.

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2013, 11:31:09 AM »
In the diaspora, the Armenians celebrate Easter the same time as the Catholics do.

Why is that? Is it due to ecumenical movement or despite of that?

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2013, 02:53:51 PM »
wow, u guys already started lent?
may God bless your fast.
we have ninevah's fast (jonah's) from monday to wednesday next week.
we copied that from the syriac orthodox, and i think some of the other oriental orthodox have it too.

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2013, 05:52:48 PM »
In the diaspora, the Armenians celebrate Easter the same time as the Catholics do.

Why is that? Is it due to ecumenical movement or despite of that?
The Armenian Church switched to the Gregorian Calendar via an encyclical of Catholicos Kevork I on November 16, 1923, and it was put in place starting January 1, 1924.  This was in large part due to the Soviet switch to the Gregorian Calendar in 1920 and an associated desire to align the church with the civil calendar (both in Armenia and abroad).  The entire liturgical calendar shifted.  The only initial exceptions were some of the dioceses elsewhere in the Soviet Union and Jerusalem.  Today, Jerusalem is the only remaining holdout. 

So, it has nothing to do with the "ecumenical movement."

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2013, 06:22:08 PM »
Jerusalem is bound by the Status Quo, which predates the change, thus they never switched.
Why is that? Why are they bound?
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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2013, 06:46:51 PM »
Jerusalem is bound by the Status Quo, which predates the change, thus they never switched.
Why is that? Why are they bound?

They do not want to start a war (it starts either way but still).

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2013, 07:41:06 PM »
Jerusalem is bound by the Status Quo, which predates the change, thus they never switched.
Why is that? Why are they bound?

They do not want to start a war (it starts either way but still).
Well...  In a word, no.  Honestly, that's a rather sensationalist way of putting it, and not entirely fair.

The Status Quo binds all three major groups (Greeks, Catholics, Armenians), and the minor groups as well, to the same set of rules in governing what would otherwise be a totally chaotic situation in the Holy Sites.  One could argue it's chaotic under the current agreement, but it more or less works.  And it would be exceedingly difficult, under the current situation (or even as it existed in 1923) to fundamentally change the parameters of the agreement.  Nor is there really any reason to.  The Status Quo was carefully constructed to balance the needs of different groups against the physical spaces they commonly held.  If it works, why fix it? 

Also, it should be noted that the Patriarchate of Jerusalem has a bit more autonomy within the Armenian Church, as does the Patriarchate of Istanbul.  It's their prerogative to do what's best for their local situation.  And in this case, it means fundamentally molding their practices within the parameters of the Status Quo.  The life of the Patriarchate is intrinsically tied to the Holy Sites.  That's what makes it so special.

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2013, 10:23:26 PM »
How much do you think one should know and understand Lent traditions and such during a first Orthodox Lent?
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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2013, 10:58:48 PM »
In the diaspora, the Armenians celebrate Easter the same time as the Catholics do.

Why is that? Is it due to ecumenical movement or despite of that?
The Armenian Church switched to the Gregorian Calendar via an encyclical of Catholicos Kevork I on November 16, 1923, and it was put in place starting January 1, 1924.  This was in large part due to the Soviet switch to the Gregorian Calendar in 1920 and an associated desire to align the church with the civil calendar (both in Armenia and abroad).  The entire liturgical calendar shifted.  The only initial exceptions were some of the dioceses elsewhere in the Soviet Union and Jerusalem.  Today, Jerusalem is the only remaining holdout. 

So, it has nothing to do with the "ecumenical movement."
LOL. The Old Calendarists would claim otherwise. Everything is connected with the "Ecumenists."  Evidently, the sun, earth and moon are in on the plot.
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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2013, 01:22:40 AM »
How much do you think one should know and understand Lent traditions and such during a first Orthodox Lent?

Don't get too caught up in the legalities.  Pray a little more often than usual, and try to limit the animal products in your diet.  If you are able to, try to get some advice from your priest.

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Re: Armenian/OO Lent
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2013, 03:27:14 AM »
Jerusalem is bound by the Status Quo, which predates the change, thus they never switched.
Why is that? Why are they bound?

They do not want to start a war (it starts either way but still).
You don't think the fact Lent and the Church calendar there still run on the Eastern Orthodox Easter calculation and the Old Calendar, respectively, has anything to do with the fact that Armenians in Jerusalem participate in the Holy Fire ceremony or miracle, which occurs on Eastern Orthodox Paskha/Easter?


Second of all, couldn't a Church like that of the Armenians, follow the Civil Gregorian Calendar to modernize things, while still keep the old way of calculating Paskha, like the OCA does?
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