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But...but...I thought we were talking about your interestingly liberal discretion about posting personal stuff on internet forums. Where did this come from?!
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This is why I stick to my trusty blow-up doll  Do you have any social inhibitions about what you're willing to post on a public forum where your real world identity is known by some and easily identifiable by everyone else? I for one hope he never develops any.
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You assume you'd be arranged with someone awesome? I think you'd rather go back to parent supervised courtships.
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You assume you'd be arranged with someone awesome?
Yeah, you make a point. What if my parents arranged me with some hyper-emotional Evangelical wears-a-purity-ring type girl with the hopes that she would "save" me?
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Could they know she'd turn out that way at the point of arrangement?
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But...but...I thought we were talking about your interestingly liberal discretion about posting personal stuff on internet forums. Where did this come from?! We weren't. You were.
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+1 You mean I gotta learn to love who im with? True story, got a girlfriend who is/was involved in a pre-arranged marriage. The husband to be told her she needs to lose weight before he marries her. Ouch. She just did a surgery that implants a thing to control weight. She's lost literally 30 lbs and looks pretty good. Oh and she's Muslim too.
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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2013, 09:00:23 AM » |
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This is why I stick to my trusty blow-up doll  So have you had sex yet with it?
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Traditional gender roles.
If a woman smacks a man, can he put a few teeth out or is this naughty?
If there's a bump in the night, who gets the Glock?
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. I love how there's not a whisper of what the experience of the women was like; whether those who are delegated to traditional roles with no help from their husbands even want to have sex or are obliged to by their partners. Sort of like how people conflate women's liberation with increasing domestic violence and marital rape who fail to realize that the only reason we know about these things is because women have a degree of freedom and ability to actually report these matters and escape abusive relationships. Revolting.
we also have seminars, freely and out in the open, on how to make such accusations-fully aware that they are false-to destroy your husband in divorce court. We also know about domestic violence against men (more common than that cause by men, btw) because the do gooders made the law require to prosecute domestic violence cases even if the victim does not want to pursue it. They dropped that when they found out that they would have to be prosecuting all those women. We had a particularly bizarre case in IL, with a woman state senator, who in addition threatened to use her official position to destroy her husband (IIRC she had cause, in that he was having an affair. Though I seem to recall that the facts suggested she drove him to it).
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The study defined housework as nine chores: cleaning, preparing meals, washing dishes, washing and ironing clothes, driving family members around, shopping, yard work, maintaining cars and paying bills. Wives in the study spent an average 41.8 hours a week on these tasks, compared with 23.4 hours for husbands—a split that is fairly typical, and often regarded by wives as unfair. However, the effects of any fairness concerns among wives weren't measured in this study. why not? I'll have to see if I can dig it up, but several years ago a study, in the Netherlands IIRC, found out that the more housework was divided equally, the higher the wife resentment, while traditional role households had far less stress on the marriage.
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 Lulz. I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning.
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I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning.
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 Lulz. I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning.
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At least time around I don't have to be the sole provider, thus far. Yes, the current crop of young ladies is getting me to understand the seeming rise in homosexuality among men. Thankfully I married one of the 1950's crop! Oh, and JamesR is on a roll.
 Lulz. I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning.
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 Lulz. I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning. My sister, born in 1985, keeps a dang good house and cooks all right. I'm willing to negotiate a dowry with anyone who's okay with a Baptist.
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 Lulz. I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning. My sister, born in 1985, keeps a dang good house and cooks all right. I'm willing to negotiate a dowry with anyone who's okay with a Baptist. Three goats.
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. Don't do that. We'd be deprived of such wisdom. Without you, how would we know who was an evil racist sexist homophobic patriarchal oppressor?
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. Don't do that. We'd be deprived of such wisdom. Without you, how would we know who was an evil racist sexist homophobic patriarchal oppressor? I have been told that straight white men are the ones responsible for oppressing everyone. Well, when's my bloody turn? I've never got to oppress anyone and I darn-well want to!
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 Lulz. I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning. I have had a number of homosexual men tell me that they do not envy us.
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. Don't do that. We'd be deprived of such wisdom. Without you, how would we know who was an evil racist sexist homophobic patriarchal oppressor? I have been told that straight white men are the ones responsible for oppressing everyone. Well, when's my bloody turn? I've never got to oppress anyone and I darn-well want to! "White supremacy still exists," they tell me. "Gee," says I, "I didn't know I was so supreme. Feels good to be supreme.  " ^------------Who are the non / anti-modernists again? Subjectivity much?
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. Don't do that. We'd be deprived of such wisdom. Without you, how would we know who was an evil racist sexist homophobic patriarchal oppressor? I have been told that straight white men are the ones responsible for oppressing everyone. Well, when's my bloody turn? I've never got to oppress anyone and I darn-well want to! "White supremacy still exists," they tell me. "Gee," says I, "I didn't know I was so supreme. Feels good to be supreme.  " ^------------Who are the non / anti-modernists again? Subjectivity much? Screw subjectivity. I'm rollin' Modalism.
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. Don't do that. We'd be deprived of such wisdom. Without you, how would we know who was an evil racist sexist homophobic patriarchal oppressor? I have been told that straight white men are the ones responsible for oppressing everyone. Well, when's my bloody turn? I've never got to oppress anyone and I darn-well want to! "White supremacy still exists," they tell me. "Gee," says I, "I didn't know I was so supreme. Feels good to be supreme.  " ^------------Who are the non / anti-modernists again? Subjectivity much? What on earth does that mean? Well, more than I thought I guess. I can't swing cat around here without hitting a reactionary. Let's see what the laziest search reveals: *Cracks knuckles*
I could probably talk about this all night, but I think we ought to define our terms first, yes?
I define the Right as the party of tradition; that is to say, the Right seeks to preserve the wisdom that has been handed down to us. The Right is not, properly speaking, the party of stagnation, nor of opposition to change per se; the Right, for instance, does not object to faster video cards. But the Right tends to err on the side of preserving the things that have been shown to work over the centuries, and heeding the advice passed down to us by our ancestors.We may do new things, but we ought not to disregard or reject what has come before.
The Right's philosophy, then, comes down to viewing societies as being much like persons, in that they grow wiser over time. Our ancestors may not have been any smarter than we are, but collectively, they were far more experienced than we are, and thus, according to the Right, we should choose to build on their experience rather than tearing down the structure they have built and starting from the beginning because "we know better."
I define the Left as the party of innovation; the central idea of the progressive Left is that man is continually becoming wiser and more moral, that modernity is superior to history, and that if things go the way they're supposed to, the future will be better yet. The Left, then, believes that we are better or smarter or wiser than our ancestors, and so can safely disregard their collective wisdom, at least on certain issues. The Left is also strongly committed to the belief in human equality, whether this be (historically) the equality of all white men, or, more recently, the equality of people of different races or of men and women.
The Left, then, is the party of "out with the old, in with the new." It is the party of revolutionary, ideological change rather than gradual, organic growth, of tearing down the house and starting afresh rather than building ever more additions.
Is this a fair start? Rightists? Leftists? Care to comment? The first comment is bolded to evoke possible shame. The second bolded portion to answer your question.
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. Don't do that. We'd be deprived of such wisdom. Without you, how would we know who was an evil racist sexist homophobic patriarchal oppressor? I have been told that straight white men are the ones responsible for oppressing everyone. Well, when's my bloody turn? I've never got to oppress anyone and I darn-well want to! "White supremacy still exists," they tell me. "Gee," says I, "I didn't know I was so supreme. Feels good to be supreme.  " ^------------Who are the non / anti-modernists again? Subjectivity much? What on earth does that mean? Well, more than I thought I guess. I can't swing cat around here without hitting a reactionary. Let's see what the laziest search reveals: Well, I am a reactionary, and I don't hide it or deny it. So, OK. The first comment is bolded to evoke possible shame. Not working. I am not ashamed of anything I said in the post you quoted. The second bolded portion to answer your question.
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. Don't do that. We'd be deprived of such wisdom. Without you, how would we know who was an evil racist sexist homophobic patriarchal oppressor? I have been told that straight white men are the ones responsible for oppressing everyone. Well, when's my bloody turn? I've never got to oppress anyone and I darn-well want to! "White supremacy still exists," they tell me. "Gee," says I, "I didn't know I was so supreme. Feels good to be supreme.  " ^------------Who are the non / anti-modernists again? Subjectivity much? What on earth does that mean? Well, more than I thought I guess. I can't swing cat around here without hitting a reactionary. Let's see what the laziest search reveals: Well, I am a reactionary, and I don't hide it or deny it. So, OK. The first comment is bolded to evoke possible shame. Not working. I am not ashamed of anything I said in the post you quoted. The second bolded portion to answer your question.
That also fails. I'll put this in terms which will make J Michael happy: You critique modernity (like so many around) all the while being a wildly modern subject. Now go back to your "joke" about the structure of white supremecism and see how that fits. Please don't think I am offended by your joke. It just another moment where the metathread point I am making about you reactionaries, a position only possible to hold if one is a modern. Enjoy.
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Sexist nonsense like this makes me want to drink bleach. Don't do that. We'd be deprived of such wisdom. Without you, how would we know who was an evil racist sexist homophobic patriarchal oppressor? I have been told that straight white men are the ones responsible for oppressing everyone. Well, when's my bloody turn? I've never got to oppress anyone and I darn-well want to! "White supremacy still exists," they tell me. "Gee," says I, "I didn't know I was so supreme. Feels good to be supreme.  " ^------------Who are the non / anti-modernists again? Subjectivity much? What on earth does that mean? Well, more than I thought I guess. I can't swing cat around here without hitting a reactionary. Let's see what the laziest search reveals: Well, I am a reactionary, and I don't hide it or deny it. So, OK. The first comment is bolded to evoke possible shame. Not working. I am not ashamed of anything I said in the post you quoted. The second bolded portion to answer your question.
That also fails. I'll put this in terms which will make J Michael happy: You critique modernity (like so many around) all the while being a wildly modern subject. Now go back to your "joke" about the structure of white supremecism and see how that fits. Please don't think I am offended by your joke. It just another moment where the metathread point I am making about you reactionaries, a position only possible to hold if one is a modern. Enjoy. Ah, some English. Great. To the first paragraph: Yes, I'm a modern. I don't like many things about modernity, but I didn't get to pick what era I was born in. And I don't pretend that I have fully internalised premodern attitudes, though I'm trying. I'm not totally sure how my comments about white supremacy fit into that, but as a general point, OK. To the second paragraph: Yes, one can only be a reactionary in the way that I am in the modern era. Which is a bit like saying one can only be an abolitionist if there is slavery. Fair enough.
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« Reply #81 on: February 15, 2013, 05:37:51 PM » |
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And I don't pretend that I have fully internalised premodern attitudes
A fully modern notion in much more radical manner than you guess I would wager.
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We cannot legislate morality by passing laws controlling firearms. The only evil we can combat lies within our hearts. We need stronger laws to protect the moral foundation of society against the evil of gay marriage.
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« Reply #82 on: February 17, 2013, 12:52:21 AM » |
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You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! HAHAHAHAHA HAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAAA! [deadsmiley] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2y40U2LvKY&feature=re
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« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2013, 04:22:30 PM » |
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Oh, and JamesR is on a roll.
 Lulz. I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning. My sister, born in 1985, keeps a dang good house and cooks all right. I'm willing to negotiate a dowry with anyone who's okay with a Baptist. Three goats. Four, a cow, and a Starbucks card.
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« Reply #84 on: February 18, 2013, 10:39:02 AM » |
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Oh, and JamesR is on a roll.
 Lulz. I would like traditional gender roles except I don't make enough to be a sole provider and I have yet to meet a woman born after 1970 that is any good at cooking or cleaning. My sister, born in 1985, keeps a dang good house and cooks all right. I'm willing to negotiate a dowry with anyone who's okay with a Baptist. Three goats. Four, a cow, and a Starbucks card. Cows are a little pricey these days. I'll see the four goats, but how 'bout a mule?
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It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.
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« Reply #85 on: February 18, 2013, 01:14:44 PM » |
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How much money is on the Starbucks card?
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« Reply #86 on: February 18, 2013, 02:00:35 PM » |
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If it were my sister being arranged, the Starbucks card would actually go against the price. I'd need at least another goat to offset that.
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"Funny," said Lancelot, "how the people who can't pray say that prayers are not answered, however much the people who can pray say they are." TH White Oh, no: I've succumbed to Hyperdoxy!
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