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In the Middle Ages the argument was that poultry might be ok to eat in Lent, because God created birds and sea creatures on the fifth day. Land animals would be too closely related to us since, like us, they were created on the primordial Friday.
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
I've been Orthodox for nigh on 50 years, and never have I heard of any priest or hierarch in my neck of the woods allow croc or gator (or, indeed, any reptile) during Lent. They'd be classified as meat, not fish. Because it tastes like chicken? |
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
I've been Orthodox for nigh on 50 years, and never have I heard of any priest or hierarch in my neck of the woods allow croc or gator (or, indeed, any reptile) during Lent. They'd be classified as meat, not fish. If it can live out of water, it's meat? |
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
I've been Orthodox for nigh on 50 years, and never have I heard of any priest or hierarch in my neck of the woods allow croc or gator (or, indeed, any reptile) during Lent. They'd be classified as meat, not fish. If it can live out of water, it's meat? Or rather, live out of water and has blood, it's meat. |
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
I've been Orthodox for nigh on 50 years, and never have I heard of any priest or hierarch in my neck of the woods allow croc or gator (or, indeed, any reptile) during Lent. They'd be classified as meat, not fish. If it can live out of water, it's meat? Or rather, live out of water and has blood, it's meat. Yup. Got it in one.  |
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Eugh. I've never gotten why people eat gator its like rancid fat with a hint of armadillo.
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
I've been Orthodox for nigh on 50 years, and never have I heard of any priest or hierarch in my neck of the woods allow croc or gator (or, indeed, any reptile) during Lent. They'd be classified as meat, not fish. If it can live out of water, it's meat? Or rather, live out of water and has blood, it's meat. Yet another reason for a unified American Orthodox Church, to settle this important issue.  |
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
I've been Orthodox for nigh on 50 years, and never have I heard of any priest or hierarch in my neck of the woods allow croc or gator (or, indeed, any reptile) during Lent. They'd be classified as meat, not fish. Because it tastes like chicken? Alligator most definitely does not taste like chicken. I've eaten it, but somewhere along the way I decided no more. Crawfish is OK. Catfish is OK. But alligator is just nasty coonass food. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 01:14:30 PM » |
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Where do people eat alligator? The Gulf Coast?
I'm leaving for Florida in an hour, will be able to find some there?
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 01:24:08 PM » |
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I'm leaving for Florida in an hour, will be able to find some there?
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 01:32:41 PM » |
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Where do people eat alligator? The Gulf Coast?
I'm leaving for Florida in an hour, will be able to find some there?
According to the Florida agriculture department, yes. You generally find alligator eating in Gulf coast/tidewater and bayou/coonass communities in Louisiana and Mississippi (as well as any of the city areas where people still speak Acadian French), and you can buy alligator products such as alligator sausage in grocery stores and meat markets throughout central Louisiana. I am not sure about Alabama. |
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I've seen those turtle soup shops in Hong Kong back in the day it was still allowed. I can't understand how people can eat this thing, I think its penance by itself to force yourself to eat this. |
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2013, 01:53:19 PM » |
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2013, 01:57:28 PM » |
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Where do people eat alligator? The Gulf Coast?
I'm leaving for Florida in an hour, will be able to find some there?
According to the Florida agriculture department, yes. You generally find alligator eating in Gulf coast/tidewater and bayou/coonass communities in Louisiana and Mississippi (as well as any of the city areas where people still speak Acadian French), and you can buy alligator products such as alligator sausage in grocery stores and meat markets throughout central Louisiana. I am not sure about Alabama. I prefer my alligators in the form of non- and un-edible shoes, jackets, belts, etc. They're much nicer looking and longer lasting worn than eaten  .  (Just for the record, I do not actually possess anything made from alligator .) |
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2013, 03:24:09 PM » |
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2013, 03:42:19 PM » |
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I've eaten it, but somewhere along the way I decided no more. Crawfish is OK. Catfish is OK. But alligator is just nasty coonass food.
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 03:59:49 PM » |
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I've eaten it, but somewhere along the way I decided no more. Crawfish is OK. Catfish is OK. But alligator is just nasty coonass food.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2013, 04:16:48 PM » |
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I've eaten it, but somewhere along the way I decided no more. Crawfish is OK. Catfish is OK. But alligator is just nasty coonass food.
I had alligator once and thought it was absolutely delicious (not during Lent, lol). Yep. The detractors are all welcomed to my house for MY Alligator in Sauce Piquant, once. And those who appreciate it, anytime! (Except during lent) |
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During Lent, I cut my steak in the shape of a fish before I grill it. Sometimes I even call a nice pork tenderloin "land eel".
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During Lent, I cut my steak in the shape of a fish before I grill it. Sometimes I even call a nice pork tenderloin "land eel".
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I've eaten it, but somewhere along the way I decided no more. Crawfish is OK. Catfish is OK. But alligator is just nasty coonass food.
I had alligator once and thought it was absolutely delicious (not during Lent, lol). Yep. The detractors are all welcomed to my house for MY Alligator in Sauce Piquant, once. And those who appreciate it, anytime! (Except during lent) I might be open to it that way. But I've been burned too many times after being told that I was eating it wrong or somesuch nonsense. Do you use farm alligator or wild-harvested? |
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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2013, 12:33:50 AM » |
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I'm leaving for Florida in an hour, will be able to find some there?
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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2013, 01:14:22 AM » |
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I really, really like 'gator, but it's not for Orthodox fasting as far as I've ever read. Of course in times past the closest the Church could probably have come to alligator was maybe crocodile, an animal I doubt they would have allowed either. I bet the Copts would not allow it.
I've been Orthodox for nigh on 50 years, and never have I heard of any priest or hierarch in my neck of the woods allow croc or gator (or, indeed, any reptile) during Lent. They'd be classified as meat, not fish. If it can live out of water, it's meat? Or rather, live out of water and has blood, it's meat. Yet another reason for a unified American Orthodox Church, to settle this important issue. Yeah, as long as the "american Orthodox Church" isn't headquartered in Syosett, NY. Oh wait, the head of the autochephalous churches settled that one, it won't be. But on a lighter note Alligator fry this weekend... sounds ok compared to mystery fish. |
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I had alligator once and thought it was absolutely delicious (not during Lent, lol). Yep. The detractors are all welcomed to my house for MY Alligator in Sauce Piquant, once. And those who appreciate it, anytime! (Except during lent) I might be open to it that way. But I've been burned too many times after being told that I was eating it wrong or somesuch nonsense. Do you use farm alligator or wild-harvested? I have used both. Prefer tail meat ( a whole tail) and Florida over Louisiana, but either will do. |
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I've read somewhere Archbishop Demetrius (Royster) was saying alligators are OK.
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Alligators and Crocodiles are classified as vertebrates as are fish. Lizards, snakes, and frogs are also vertebrates. Thus, such animals with backbones should not be allowable during Great Lent unless the bishop grants economia. Aren't turtles vertebrates? Yes turtles are vertebrates. |
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