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The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« on: February 13, 2013, 12:34:46 AM »
For those of you who are not familiar with the Churches teaching on the Latin schismatics, see this video. Roman Catholics have been condemned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDaoRonW1ww&list=UUh074oPigJcEGkWbj7j7zKQ&index=30

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 12:37:24 AM »
There are many Orthodox on this forum who are not familiar with the teachings of the Church, but you should really first get to know them before posting your videos otherwise they and others will think you are yet another mindless zealot come to spread a message.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2013, 01:12:05 AM »
Incognito777, you should make a post introducing yourself in the appropriate sub-forum.  Your recent threads have made me very curious about you.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2013, 03:38:40 PM »
You gotta be careful about us RCs. Be sure to keep garlic around your windows, and a wooden stake close at hand.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2013, 03:58:57 PM »
You gotta be careful about us RCs. Be sure to keep garlic around your windows, and a wooden stake close at hand.

No! RC's are cute and huggable!
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2013, 04:01:24 PM »
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2013, 04:05:13 PM »
For those of you who are not familiar with the Churches teaching on the Latin schismatics, see this video. Roman Catholics have been condemned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDaoRonW1ww&list=UUh074oPigJcEGkWbj7j7zKQ&index=30
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2013, 04:07:51 PM »
You gotta be careful about us RCs. Be sure to keep garlic around your windows, and a wooden stake close at hand.

I heard you also are afraid of crosses.  But only those without a corpus carried around by a girl altar server while singing "Amazing Grace".

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2013, 04:47:33 PM »
I'm a heretic too, since I use the New Calendar. Glad to be lumped with that evil Papist and those other RC posters we have here.  ::)

Happy Ash Wednesday!

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 06:57:31 PM »
I'm a heretic too, since I use the New Calendar. Glad to be lumped with that evil Papist and those other RC posters we have here.  ::)

Happy Ash Wednesday!

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Wait, do WR Antiochians celebrate Ash Wednesday today?
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 07:05:17 PM »
I'm a heretic too, since I use the New Calendar. Glad to be lumped with that evil Papist and those other RC posters we have here.  ::)

Happy Ash Wednesday!

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Wait, do WR Antiochians celebrate Ash Wednesday today?

I think he was sarcastic  :)
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2013, 07:08:24 PM »
I'm a heretic too, since I use the New Calendar. Glad to be lumped with that evil Papist and those other RC posters we have here.  ::)

Happy Ash Wednesday!

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Wait, do WR Antiochians celebrate Ash Wednesday today?

I think he was sarcastic  :)

That is so good to hear!  ::)
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013, 07:21:18 PM »
I'm a heretic too, since I use the New Calendar. Glad to be lumped with that evil Papist and those other RC posters we have here.  ::)

Happy Ash Wednesday!

[/sarcasm]

Wait, do WR Antiochians celebrate Ash Wednesday today?

I think he was sarcastic  :)

That is so good to hear!  ::)

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2013, 07:22:44 PM »
You gotta be careful about us RCs. Be sure to keep garlic around your windows, and a wooden stake close at hand.

I heard you also are afraid of crosses.  But only those without a corpus carried around by a girl altar server while singing "Amazing Grace".
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2013, 11:14:28 PM »
Incognito777, you should make a post introducing yourself in the appropriate sub-forum.  Your recent threads have made me very curious about you.

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 12:29:33 AM »
You gotta be careful about us RCs. Be sure to keep garlic around your windows, and a wooden stake close at hand.

Didn't Vlad the Impaler become a Roman Catholic?
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 12:30:58 AM »
I'm a heretic too, since I use the New Calendar. Glad to be lumped with that evil Papist and those other RC posters we have here.  ::)

Happy Ash Wednesday!

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Wait, do WR Antiochians celebrate Ash Wednesday today?

No. Wednesday of Clean Week, IIRC. They're on the non-Finnish Orthodox Paschalion.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 12:32:53 AM »
You gotta be careful about us RCs. Be sure to keep garlic around your windows, and a wooden stake close at hand.

I heard you also are afraid of crosses.  But only those without a corpus carried around by a girl altar server while singing "Amazing Grace".
Ughhh, may God grant these priest many happy years... of RETIREMENT!

According to the Catholic Church Conservation Blog, the Diocese of Linz is fond of twigs instead of crosses. Not sure if that has changed. Hope so.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2013, 06:51:37 AM »
You gotta be careful about us RCs. Be sure to keep garlic around your windows, and a wooden stake close at hand.

Didn't Vlad the Impaler become a Roman Catholic?

He became whatever fit the circumstances better at any given time. But it's too easy to get into vile arguments about him over this.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2013, 10:23:00 PM »
This thread started off goofy, but it got me thinking "what if".

What if the change in the Creed had been done the right way resulting in no schism.  Would the Catholic Church still be in communion with the Orthodox or would a later problem still caused it?

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2013, 11:45:04 PM »
This thread started off goofy, but it got me thinking "what if".

What if the change in the Creed had been done the right way resulting in no schism.  Would the Catholic Church still be in communion with the Orthodox or would a later problem still caused it?

Well, the filioque did not cause a schism when first introduced. The Photian Schism had other causes as well, primarily the Pope of Rome taking umbrage with the uncanonical deposition of St. Ignatius by the emperor and his replacement with Photios, who was a layman at the time. Later, when the filioque appeared in pope's systatic letter in the early 11th century, his name was not entered into the diptychs, but this didn't appear at the time as a schism over filioque. Polemical arguments at the time covered filioque with other things, but communion appears to have continued in large part. The major problem was papal supremacy. But even this wasn't a pressing issue until 1100, when the Crusaders, with no objection from the pope, replaced the Patriarch of Antioch with a Latin after capturing the city.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2013, 12:02:01 AM »
You gotta be careful about us RCs. Be sure to keep garlic around your windows, and a wooden stake close at hand.

It was much easier when we just had to watch out for just Augustine, but now all of you?  Instead of a wooden stake would you take a nice ribeye and leave us alone? 

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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2013, 12:03:50 AM »
^What happens if we oversleep?  You bite us and we become RC's?

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2013, 12:46:42 AM »
^What happens if we oversleep?  You bite us and we become RC's?

That settles it, Father! I shall make a documentary on the Great Schism with the Underworld movies.
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2013, 02:29:40 AM »
For those of you who are not familiar with the Churches teaching on the Latin schismatics, see this video. Roman Catholics have been condemned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDaoRonW1ww&list=UUh074oPigJcEGkWbj7j7zKQ&index=30

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2013, 03:36:53 AM »
For those of you who are not familiar with the Churches teaching on the Latin schismatics, see this video. Roman Catholics have been condemned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDaoRonW1ww&list=UUh074oPigJcEGkWbj7j7zKQ&index=30
Among other things, the video speaks of the several Orthodox condemnations of the Gregorian calendar. So according to the teaching on this video with regard to the calendar, does this mean then that any Christian, not just Roman Catholics,  who observes the New Calendar date of Christmas as December 25 is anathematised, condemned, and eternally damned? I don't see anything about the Julian calendar mentioned in the Bible. Is this a teaching from apostolic times, or was this a novel teaching that developed over time in the Eastern Orthodox Church?

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2013, 03:42:25 AM »
For those of you who are not familiar with the Churches teaching on the Latin schismatics, see this video. Roman Catholics have been condemned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDaoRonW1ww&list=UUh074oPigJcEGkWbj7j7zKQ&index=30
Among other things, the video speaks of the several Orthodox condemnations of the Gregorian calendar. So according to the teaching on this video with regard to the calendar, does this mean then that any Christian, not just Roman Catholics,  who observes the New Calendar date of Christmas as December 25 is anathematised, condemned, and eternally damned? I don't see anything about the Julian calendar mentioned in the Bible. Is this a teaching from apostolic times, or was this a novel teaching that developed over time in the Eastern Orthodox Church?

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2013, 03:52:34 AM »
For those of you who are not familiar with the Churches teaching on the Latin schismatics, see this video. Roman Catholics have been condemned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDaoRonW1ww&list=UUh074oPigJcEGkWbj7j7zKQ&index=30
Among other things, the video speaks of the several Orthodox condemnations of the Gregorian calendar. So according to the teaching on this video with regard to the calendar, does this mean then that any Christian, not just Roman Catholics,  who observes the New Calendar date of Christmas as December 25 is anathematised, condemfned, and eternally damned? I don't see anything about the Julian calendar mentioned in the Bible. Is this a teaching from apostolic times, or was this a novel teaching that developed over time in the Eastern Orthodox Church?

It was not only the Orthodox but Protestants too who objected in the past to the Papal calendar innovation. Indeed there were riots here in England when it was eventually introduced with the populace demanding back their 11 days. Even in my lifetime I heard reference to Old Christmas from English folk who no idea about Eastern Orthodoxy. The calendar, the liturgical and festal unity that went with it was a sanctification of time.


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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2013, 06:35:26 AM »
What if the change in the Creed had been done the right way resulting in no schism.  Would the Catholic Church still be in communion with the Orthodox or would a later problem still caused it?

The Byzantine Church could tolerate no difference. The Council of Trullo for example condemned each and every difference they could find with the Armenians and, to a somewhat lesser extent, the Latins. Either the Latin Church would have been Hellenised and Byzantinised or the schism would have happened anyway, even if the Latins would have given up Papal Supremacy.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2013, 07:37:24 PM »
^What happens if we oversleep?  You bite us and we become RC's?
Only when the sun goes down...... ;D

BTW, pertaining to earlier posts, I do believe Vlad the Impaler was Eastern Orthodox.

For a time at least.
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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2013, 07:54:26 PM »
^What happens if we oversleep?  You bite us and we become RC's?
Only when the sun goes down...... ;D

BTW, pertaining to earlier posts, I do believe Vlad the Impaler was Eastern Orthodox.

For a time at least.

Pertaining to earlier posts, if true, Vlad was normal Orthodox and then got bit and became RC and spread it.  the only thing this proves is that Vlad was not original vampire.   :P     ;)

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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2013, 08:01:35 PM »
Interesting.

If he was indeed "catholic", why the heck was he and other vamps so scared of Crucifixes?

Seems Icons  could never make them scuttle.  ;)

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2013, 11:30:46 PM »
^What happens if we oversleep?  You bite us and we become RC's?
Only when the sun goes down...... ;D

BTW, pertaining to earlier posts, I do believe Vlad the Impaler was Eastern Orthodox.

For a time at least.

Pertaining to earlier posts, if true, Vlad was normal Orthodox and then got bit and became RC and spread it.  the only thing this proves is that Vlad was not original vampire.   :P     ;)

According to this thread, RC is condemned and anathematised by the Orthodox Church. But if Vlad Tepes was Roman Catholic at the time of death, why did the Orthodox Church allow him to be  buried in the Orthodox monastery of Snagov?

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2013, 12:23:35 AM »
^What happens if we oversleep?  You bite us and we become RC's?
Only when the sun goes down...... ;D

BTW, pertaining to earlier posts, I do believe Vlad the Impaler was Eastern Orthodox.

For a time at least.

Pertaining to earlier posts, if true, Vlad was normal Orthodox and then got bit and became RC and spread it.  the only thing this proves is that Vlad was not original vampire.   :P     ;)

According to this thread, RC is condemned and anathematised by the Orthodox Church. But if Vlad Tepes was Roman Catholic at the time of death, why did the Orthodox Church allow him to be  buried in the Orthodox monastery of Snagov?

Maybe it was Vlad Dracul, not Vlad Tepes. We need augustin.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2013, 12:26:32 AM »
^What happens if we oversleep?  You bite us and we become RC's?
Only when the sun goes down...... ;D

BTW, pertaining to earlier posts, I do believe Vlad the Impaler was Eastern Orthodox.

For a time at least.

Pertaining to earlier posts, if true, Vlad was normal Orthodox and then got bit and became RC and spread it.  the only thing this proves is that Vlad was not original vampire.   :P     ;)

According to this thread, RC is condemned and anathematised by the Orthodox Church. But if Vlad Tepes was Roman Catholic at the time of death, why did the Orthodox Church allow him to be  buried in the Orthodox monastery of Snagov?

Maybe it was Vlad Dracul, not Vlad Tepes. We need augustin.

I thought they were both the same person?  ???

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2013, 12:33:03 AM »
^What happens if we oversleep?  You bite us and we become RC's?
Only when the sun goes down...... ;D

BTW, pertaining to earlier posts, I do believe Vlad the Impaler was Eastern Orthodox.

For a time at least.

Pertaining to earlier posts, if true, Vlad was normal Orthodox and then got bit and became RC and spread it.  the only thing this proves is that Vlad was not original vampire.   :P     ;)

According to this thread, RC is condemned and anathematised by the Orthodox Church. But if Vlad Tepes was Roman Catholic at the time of death, why did the Orthodox Church allow him to be  buried in the Orthodox monastery of Snagov?

Maybe it was Vlad Dracul, not Vlad Tepes. We need augustin.

I thought they were both the same person?  ???

Vlad Dracul, Vlad Tepes, and Augustin are all separate persons, AFAIK.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2013, 12:34:35 AM »
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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2013, 12:41:03 AM »
Vlad Dracul, Vlad Tepes, and Augustin are all separate persons, AFAIK.

Lol - Augustin is his own person, but the other two are one and the same guy.

They say that people started calling him "Dracul" (the devil < draco = dragon in Romanian), because he went over to the side of the devil ("s-a dat cu dracul"). He was also a member of some chivalresque society called the "Order of the Dragon".

Pray that Augustin doesn't follow in his footsteps!
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2013, 12:52:59 AM »
Vlad II was known as Vlad Dracul. His son, Vlad III was known as Dracula.

It appears that the more luridly evil accounts of Dracula derive from his enemies.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2013, 12:57:23 AM »
Vlad II was known as Vlad Dracul. His son, Vlad III was known as Dracula.

It appears that the more luridly evil accounts of Dracula derive from his enemies.

Sorry, you're right - Dracula is actually supposed to come from "Drăculea" (~Dracul Jr). "Prâslea" (the same suffix) is "Junior", or the "little one" in Romanian folk tales.

Vlad II Dracul and Vlad III the Impaler or "Drăculea" are indeed different persons.

I think it was the father who turned Catholic. Anyways, it turns out that his son was not entombed at the monastery of Snagov - the tomb was opened and there were only some horse bones inside...

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2013, 01:15:47 AM »
Wait Vlad Dracul was called Dracul because he became Catholic?
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2013, 01:23:42 AM »
Wait Vlad Dracul was called Dracul because he became Catholic?

More likely because he joined the Order of the Dragon.

The theory is that in the eyes of the people he was "of the devil" (al dracu'). The play on words is tempting. But it's not necessarily bad or an insult if you call someone that in Romanian - it can just mean smart or capable, not easily defeated. 
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2013, 01:47:50 AM »
I think Vlad Tepesh was Catholic for a while because the ruler of Hungary was, but I do not remember if he was Catholic or Orthodox by the time he kicked the bucket. :-X

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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2013, 02:59:26 AM »
I think Vlad Tepesh was Catholic for a while because the ruler of Hungary was, but I do not remember if he was Catholic or Orthodox by the time he kicked the bucket. :-X
This site gives his religion as Roman Catholic.
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Re: The Orthodox Condemnation of Roman Catholicism
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2013, 03:04:43 AM »
I think Vlad Tepesh was Catholic for a while because the ruler of Hungary was, but I do not remember if he was Catholic or Orthodox by the time he kicked the bucket. :-X
This site gives his religion as Roman Catholic.
http://www.nndb.com/people/439/000113100/


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