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« on: February 11, 2013, 02:18:45 PM »

Hello, since becoming Orthodox I've been solitary and isolated. Anybody know why?..
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 02:20:10 PM »

Forgive me, but wouldn't you be better able to answer that than anonymous folks on the internet who don't know you or your circumstances?
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 02:25:14 PM »

Forgive me, but wouldn't you be better able to answer that than anonymous folks on the internet who don't know you or your circumstances?

No, they just haven't done a very good job of telling me whats going on.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 02:36:10 PM »

Hello, since becoming Orthodox I've been solitary and isolated. Anybody know why?..

When you decide to wage war on the World, do not be too shocked when you become an enemy of the World.  And watch your back particularly close when around those that claim to be on the same side as you.  Keep in mind that it is Christ that you serve, and nothing else matters.  You don't become truly Orthodox with the expectation of winning popularity contests.  Most importantly, keep in mind that you are NEVER alone.  You are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 02:47:28 PM »

Hello, since becoming Orthodox I've been solitary and isolated. Anybody know why?..

Sometimes, when we find ourselves "alone" is when we are able to do the most work.

Cherish the time, get some work done, do some reading, grow spiritually, etc....because it won't last....and when you find yourself overwhelmed with "friends", emails, phone calls, etc....you'll crave a moment of "aloneness".
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 02:47:44 PM »

Are you supposed to socialize with people at church? coffee hour etc.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 02:50:21 PM »


Absolutely!  Why wouldn't you?  You can find some of your dearest friends at coffee hour.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 03:05:37 PM »

Are you supposed to socialize with people at church? coffee hour etc.

Why not?  Particularly if you are lonely. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 03:32:37 PM »

Hello, since becoming Orthodox I've been solitary and isolated. Anybody know why?..

Sometimes, when we find ourselves "alone" is when we are able to do the most work.

Cherish the time, get some work done, do some reading, grow spiritually, etc....because it won't last....and when you find yourself overwhelmed with "friends", emails, phone calls, etc....you'll crave a moment of "aloneness".


So what you're saying is you'd rather seek to be alone and secluded from the rest of the world ... that's what a monastery is for.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013, 03:33:54 PM »

Become Parish Council President - you won't have many friends, it's true. But you'll never be lonely. In fact, you won't have a moment's peace.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 04:04:55 PM »


Ugh!  That is one thankless position! 

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 05:11:03 PM »


Ugh!  That is one thankless position! 



Tell me about it! Grin
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 05:55:21 PM »

Are you supposed to socialize with people at church? coffee hour etc.

I don't see why not; I do, because I'm still clinging onto the hope that someone will have a marriagable Orthodox female niece or grand-daughter from the old country or something that they could hook me up with. As long as the people at your Church are not promoting wicked behavior, then I don't see why you shouldn't socialize with them.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 07:41:58 PM »

Do you actually attend Church? Liturgy? Vespers? Etc.? Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 09:24:38 PM »

Is this correct? How you treat other people manifests your character? ...
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 09:31:05 PM »

Is this correct? How you treat other people manifests your character? ...

How you treat people? Perhaps. But people are generally very poor interpreters of other people, so saying "He treated me like X, therefore..." is usually flawed in some way. Put simply, we aren't too bright when judging other people. But God is pretty good, methinks...
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2013, 09:51:01 PM »

Do you actually attend Church? Liturgy? Vespers? Etc.? Smiley

Theoretically, I could be at church all the time. (I don't think anyone is keeping roll call)
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2013, 09:52:54 PM »

Do you actually attend Church? Liturgy? Vespers? Etc.? Smiley

Theoretically, I could be at church all the time. (I don't think anyone is keeping roll call)

I ask because I seemed to recall that you were the person who didn't want to drive an hour to services, and so weren't attending, and that's why I asked. So, if you are that person, and if I understand your current situation correctly: you don't go to church, and want to know why you are isolated, and not around other Christians? Is that correct?
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2013, 10:19:29 PM »

Do you actually attend Church? Liturgy? Vespers? Etc.? Smiley

Theoretically, I could be at church all the time. (I don't think anyone is keeping roll call)

I ask because I seemed to recall that you were the person who didn't want to drive an hour to services, and so weren't attending, and that's why I asked. So, if you are that person, and if I understand your current situation correctly: you don't go to church, and want to know why you are isolated, and not around other Christians? Is that correct?

Yes.
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2013, 10:30:55 PM »

It actually feels like being cut off from social interaction.
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2013, 11:02:09 PM »

It actually feels like being cut off from social interaction.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Hebrews says: "Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching." (Heb. 10:25)  Maybe it's time now to return to church and go to services, and interact with people afterwards?
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2013, 11:14:18 PM »

Oh, ok.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 11:23:55 PM »

So ... why are people saying "Ugh"..? is it a expression of complaint and disgust?..
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2013, 12:36:18 AM »

It actually feels like being cut off from social interaction.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Hebrews says: "Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching." (Heb. 10:25)  Maybe it's time now to return to church and go to services, and interact with people afterwards?

People on T.V. don't count.
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It actually feels like being cut off from social interaction.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Hebrews says: "Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching." (Heb. 10:25)  Maybe it's time now to return to church and go to services, and interact with people afterwards?

People on T.V. don't count.

What?
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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2013, 01:23:24 AM »

strangest thread ever!
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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2013, 02:31:06 AM »

I used to listen to the Divine Liturgy over terrestrial and Internet radio.  Most Greeks with Satellite TV watch services live from Greece.  Doesn't substitute for real Church attendance (or putting money in the collection plate - can't do that over Satellite).   angel 
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2013, 05:37:09 AM »

Wesley,

It would be a very good idea for you to email Fr Basil at St Barbara and ask him if he can arrange for someone to pick you up on Sunday mornings. If you can work that out, it will do you a lot of good. Also, when you email him don't forget to ask him when you can have confession with him. That will help you a lot as well, even if it's just a simple confession.

For everyone else, just be very patient with our friend.
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2013, 06:23:56 AM »

Hello, since becoming Orthodox I've been solitary and isolated. Anybody know why?..

When you decide to wage war on the World, do not be too shocked when you become an enemy of the World.  And watch your back particularly close when around those that claim to be on the same side as you.  Keep in mind that it is Christ that you serve, and nothing else matters.  You don't become truly Orthodox with the expectation of winning popularity contests.  Most importantly, keep in mind that you are NEVER alone.  You are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses.

To add onto this, when you wage war against the world, you lose interest in the things it has to offer.  Keeping in mind most of what the world does has to offer is sinful and distracts one from seeking Gods path for them, there isn’t much left.  Just be sure you do not push away those who are seeking the same thing you are seeking and would be able to gain strength from one another.
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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2013, 07:39:32 AM »

Never had that kind of problem. My friends are still mostly non-Orthodox regardless of whether they are religious or not.
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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2013, 09:59:40 AM »

How are you supposed to enact a conversation with a guy on the street? ...
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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2013, 10:02:48 AM »

strangest thread ever!

My thoughts from reading every second thread for about a month.
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2013, 10:03:39 AM »

Wesley,

It would be a very good idea for you to email Fr Basil at St Barbara and ask him if he can arrange for someone to pick you up on Sunday mornings. If you can work that out, it will do you a lot of good. Also, when you email him don't forget to ask him when you can have confession with him. That will help you a lot as well, even if it's just a simple confession.

For everyone else, just be very patient with our friend.

Thank you for being so kind! ... It doesn't make sense to drive all that way to Cityview just for Orthodox services. (You have to get an apartment in the area)
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2013, 03:51:06 PM »

Are you supposed to socialize with people at church? coffee hour etc.
If able, I would say yes.
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2013, 10:06:28 AM »

suffering seems to be part of Christianity.  Whether it be the enemy at the gates with weapons or the boss that persecutes you for celebrating Christmas on the "wrong day." Don't worry so much you are never alone you have the Father, Son and Holy Spirit with you. 
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2013, 07:24:17 AM »

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No offense intended to you, but you almost seem to be talking in puzzles and expecting people to fish for clues.  Perhaps you have other information about yourself in other threads that I haven't seen that would yield more information.  This has been a very  difficult thread to follow. I would suggest you talk in a little ore detail and maybe indicate what it is you really are seeking.  Is it a closer walk with God? friendship? Be accepted in your church?  I do know that as with most things in life if you want people to acknowledge you, you will also have to make an effort to be available, to extend a friendly gesture and so forth yourself.  If you merely come to church, sit at the back and quickly sneak out, you are not providing opportunities for people to get to know you.  If I saw this I would assume that is what you want, and would try to respect your desire for that kind of a life.
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2013, 11:54:20 AM »

If I saw this I would assume that is what you want, and would try to respect your desire for that kind of a life.

I am a shy person myself, and I never know whether to approach people or not. I would assume the same thing and leave that person alone.
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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2013, 12:14:34 AM »

To reference Shrek, our friend WPM is like an onion - he has layers. It's best to simply reply with patience and kindness and not make too many assumptions about him. There is more than meets the eye.
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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2013, 05:20:14 PM »

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No offense intended to you, but you almost seem to be talking in puzzles and expecting people to fish for clues.  Perhaps you have other information about yourself in other threads that I haven't seen that would yield more information.  This has been a very  difficult thread to follow. I would suggest you talk in a little ore detail and maybe indicate what it is you really are seeking.  Is it a closer walk with God? friendship? Be accepted in your church?  I do know that as with most things in life if you want people to acknowledge you, you will also have to make an effort to be available, to extend a friendly gesture and so forth yourself.  If you merely come to church, sit at the back and quickly sneak out, you are not providing opportunities for people to get to know you.  If I saw this I would assume that is what you want, and would try to respect your desire for that kind of a life.

 Huh I've been making an effort to introduce myself and get to know people in the area.
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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2013, 05:29:59 PM »

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No offense intended to you, but you almost seem to be talking in puzzles and expecting people to fish for clues.  Perhaps you have other information about yourself in other threads that I haven't seen that would yield more information.  This has been a very  difficult thread to follow. I would suggest you talk in a little ore detail and maybe indicate what it is you really are seeking.  Is it a closer walk with God? friendship? Be accepted in your church?  I do know that as with most things in life if you want people to acknowledge you, you will also have to make an effort to be available, to extend a friendly gesture and so forth yourself.  If you merely come to church, sit at the back and quickly sneak out, you are not providing opportunities for people to get to know you.  If I saw this I would assume that is what you want, and would try to respect your desire for that kind of a life.

 Huh I've been making an effort to introduce myself and get to know people in the area.

Wesley,

I am praying for you.
Does someone in your parish live near you?
Is your priest going to come and bless your house before Great Lent?
After all, it is the tradition to bless all homes in the parish starting with the feast of the Epiphany.
That would be a great opportunity for your family to meet your priest.
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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2013, 06:15:44 PM »

I am praying for you.
Does someone in your parish live near you?
Is your priest going to come and bless your house before Great Lent?
After all, it is the tradition to bless all homes in the parish starting with the feast of the Epiphany.
That would be a great opportunity for your family to meet your priest.

Hi, I think there is a local catholic priest. The Orthodox ones mean you have to drive/travel to the Ft. Worth area to speak with them.

... (I don't think there is anybody in the area that attends Worship Service)..
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I don't know the size of your parish or how familiar you are with your area.  Having moved several times, I know it can be difficult with some communities to break in to established friendships and family circles. Sometimes you just have to be patient and let things happen at their own pace.
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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2013, 09:19:42 PM »

Yeah, we used to drive about 50 minutes to an Orthodox Church. It was definitely a grind. But what are you gonna do?
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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2013, 09:21:25 PM »

45 minutes for me
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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2013, 09:54:40 PM »

In your other thread didn't you say you've never been to an Orthodox church yet? How can you be Orthodox then...
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« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2013, 10:29:51 PM »

Yeah, we used to drive about 50 minutes to an Orthodox Church. It was definitely a grind. But what are you gonna do?

Its going out of your way just to be Orthodox. Why do that if there's a church right around the corner.
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« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2013, 10:34:45 PM »

Yeah, we used to drive about 50 minutes to an Orthodox Church. It was definitely a grind. But what are you gonna do?

Its going out of your way to just to be Orthodox. There's a church right around the corner from where I live.

I'm sure many people through history have said that. Compared to travel methods/dangers in, say, the 2nd or 12th centuries, it is fairly easy for most of us today. I guess it all comes down to whether you think Orthodoxy is the Church Christ founded or not. If it's not then it doesn't really matter if you go to an Orthodox church, and you might just as easily forget about it and go somewhere around the corner. If Orthodoxy is what it claims to be, on the other hand...
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This kind of thing you just have to be persistent and keep trying.
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I'm sure many people through history have said that. Compared to travel methods/dangers in, say, the 2nd or 12th centuries, it is fairly easy for most of us today. I guess it all comes down to whether you think Orthodoxy is the Church Christ founded or not. If it's not then it doesn't really matter if you go to an Orthodox church, and you might just as easily forget about it and go somewhere around the corner. If Orthodoxy is what it claims to be, on the other hand...

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I'm sure many people through history have said that. Compared to travel methods/dangers in, say, the 2nd or 12th centuries, it is fairly easy for most of us today. I guess it all comes down to whether you think Orthodoxy is the Church Christ founded or not. If it's not then it doesn't really matter if you go to an Orthodox church, and you might just as easily forget about it and go somewhere around the corner. If Orthodoxy is what it claims to be, on the other hand...

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Why not just accept the modern American roads and drive down to the closest parish? Smiley  Even if only once a month, it'd perhaps be a positive step?
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I'm sure many people through history have said that. Compared to travel methods/dangers in, say, the 2nd or 12th centuries, it is fairly easy for most of us today. I guess it all comes down to whether you think Orthodoxy is the Church Christ founded or not. If it's not then it doesn't really matter if you go to an Orthodox church, and you might just as easily forget about it and go somewhere around the corner. If Orthodoxy is what it claims to be, on the other hand...

I don't know how to time warp back to the 12th century. Is that a time warp?  Angry

Dear brother. If your method of communicating in person is similar to the one of this topic, then that would explain somewhat your current situation. May I ask, what is it that you wish to achieve? What type of isolation do you refer to?...as lack of Orthodox friends or friends in general...or perhaps people not understanding you...How different was your life prior to becoming Orthodox?

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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2013, 01:37:45 AM »

I've spent the majority of my time going to places in effort to try and meet new people. The result of that was isolation.
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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2013, 01:54:44 AM »

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Dear brother. If your method of communicating in person is similar to the one of this topic, then that would explain somewhat your current situation. May I ask, what is it that you wish to achieve? What type of isolation do you refer to?...as lack of Orthodox friends or friends in general...or perhaps people not understanding you...


I guess I'm looking for action and new people to roll around with ... that doesn't happen anymore - so I have to adjust the new reality.
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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2013, 02:00:44 AM »

I've spent the majority of my time going to places in effort to try and meet new people. The result of that was isolation.

I guess I'm looking for action and new people to roll around with ... that doesn't happen anymore - so I have to adjust the new reality.

What do you mean by "roll around" and what does that have to do with being Orthodox, solitary and isolated?
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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2013, 12:44:38 PM »

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Dear brother. If your method of communicating in person is similar to the one of this topic, then that would explain somewhat your current situation. May I ask, what is it that you wish to achieve? What type of isolation do you refer to?...as lack of Orthodox friends or friends in general...or perhaps people not understanding you...


I guess I'm looking for action and new people to roll around with ... that doesn't happen anymore - so I have to adjust the new reality.

Please be more specific regarding in what type of actions do you wish to engage? Depending of your age, perhaps one of the way of tacking the isolation would be "visiting" places where more Orthodox people are. If finances allow you, perhaps visit one of the monasteries nearby for a week or so, or go for a weekend to a parish during a big feast (Nativity, Easter, the patron saint of the church, etc) and you will meet plenty of new people.  Also, attending Sunday school classes for adults, lectures, movie nights or such in the parish would be a great thing.

ps. I am not sure whether you are not just pulling our leg here...just pray dear brother in any case.
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« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2013, 01:10:07 AM »

This sort of thing does not have a "stipulation" or "something behind the thing" ... That's pretty much what it is ....
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« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2013, 01:35:18 AM »

This sort of thing does not have a "stipulation" or "something behind the thing" ... That's pretty much what it is ....

I am trying very hard but am still having trouble understanding...Unless you know what you want, and clearly present it (at least to yourself) you shall never obtain it.  An ear can only hear what mouth has spoken, but not the ideas which were intended.
May God be with you. Reading between the lines is difficult if language is unknown.

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« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2013, 02:20:46 AM »

This sort of thing does not have a "stipulation" or "something behind the thing" ... That's pretty much what it is ....

I've been to church 5 times in the last 5+ months after attending regularly since 2006 (and very irregularly from 2003 - 2005).  I hope to attend church on Sunday, the Publican and Pharisee and the beginning of the Triodion leading up to Lent.  If I can make it to church, I'll light a candle for you.   angel

I apologize if I have been terse.  You appear to have people who care about you on this forum.  You have positives to build on.   Smiley
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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2013, 01:39:26 AM »

This sort of thing does not have a "stipulation" or "something behind the thing" ... That's pretty much what it is ....

Dear brother read this below... Wink


The Healing of the Paralytic and the Loneliness of Contemporary Man


By Fr. George Calciu

   What is more striking in today’s Gospel (John 5:1-15), is the loneliness of the sick man.  

  Have you heard? “Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is troubled, and while I am going another steps down before me.” (Jn. 5: 7).

  The most tragic state of man is loneliness, he’s total isolation. According to Saint Cyprian of Carthage: “Everyone falls alone, but we are been saved in the community”, in the community of the church. To be alone means to fall, to get lost. Being along implies thinking only of oneself, (or perhaps not even so) because you’re overwhelmed by the suffering in which you lie. You are overpowered by the futility of life. If your life is lonely and bereft of God, it becomes useless and lost -a life whose meaning has vanished from the moment you became isolated.  

Source: http://orthodoxword.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/the-healing-of-the-paralytic-and-the-loneliness-of-contemporary-man/


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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2013, 04:49:44 AM »

ps. I am not sure whether you are not just pulling our leg here...just pray dear brother in any case.

He's not pulling our leg. He has a very different way of expressing himself than most other people, and he does the best he can with what he's got.
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« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2013, 05:03:05 AM »

You say you feel isolated and indicate you have tried to interact with people but failed.  What is it that happens during these encounters that they others do that stifles further conversation or interaction with you?
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« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2013, 03:27:05 PM »

 Huh
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« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2013, 03:43:12 PM »

Right now, going places and meeting people seems way overblown. (Not that awesome) ...
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« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2013, 05:06:29 PM »

Right now, going places and meeting people seems way overblown. (Not that awesome) ...

A couple of things:

1. Church is NOT where I go to meet people.  My best friends have, for the most part, NOT been members of any Church that I have ever attended.  Once, in 8th grade, my best friend went to the same Lutheran School as I did - but he was Greek Orthodox (and the only Orthodox person that I ever considered a friend).

2. You can worship God just fine on your own at home as long as you punctuate it with regular visits to a parish to receive the Sacraments.  I did it for close to 14 years, and in many ways I look back and find that I was a better Christian then.  I do not do well with groups of people, particularly not those that think they are religious.

3. If you are going to go to Church for social reasons rather than religious, find a parish of converts.  My wife is one of these that has to have social interaction, and she attends the local Antiochian parish.  They are for the most part a bunch of nice, friendly, somewhat ex-Protestants and she gets along there just fine.  The problem is often not the Church, but WHICH parish you attend.  I have yet to find two Orthodox parishes that are exactly alike, not that I have been to all that many.

4. Maybe Orthodoxy is just not for you.  No, I am not saying this to be mean.  Depending on what it is that you are after, perhaps you picked the wrong place to worship.  The Church (the true Church) is a hospital, not a social hall.  You are hopefully here to heal your soul and prepare for the next life.  In spite of what others may say about us "needing each other", that is pretty much bull.  I committed my sins on my own and I will pay for them on my own.  For the most part I have found other people just something to sin about more.  The exception to this is when I forget about myself and go out and help others.  Then I have found those people that I need, because in helping them I save myself.  Don't expect to find many opportunities for that in a parish that needs Bingo and bake sales to make the budget.  One thing that I have found to be true in my nearly 52 years in this terrestrial prison is that those groups of people who have made it their joy to find those less fortunate and lift them up are usually not the ones in need.  God takes care of those who try to keep His commandments and worry less about ritual and vain shows of piety.  And yes, some of them are even Orthodox.  I have never had much success in finding people that satisfy my wants and needs.  I have only found inner peace in loving and helping others. 
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« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2013, 06:13:24 PM »

Well, actually we do need each other. The social aspect of Church life is not peripheral; St Paul recognized this when he encouraged Church members to support each other. But if all you're saying is that it's not just about social interaction, then you'd be right.
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« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2013, 03:18:59 PM »

Well, actually we do need each other. The social aspect of Church life is not peripheral; St Paul recognized this when he encouraged Church members to support each other. But if all you're saying is that it's not just about social interaction, then you'd be right.

Quite correct. Some people are more social than others. Some folks are more solitary. One type is certainly not "more" Orthodox or more "highly" developed spirituality than the other.

Stereotyping a parish by terms like "ethnic" or "cradle" or "convert" is misleading and promotes division. Within any parish or any monastery for that matter there are gregarious people and loners. We each make our own path.
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« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2013, 09:41:04 PM »

I'm going to try to find somebody to speak with after church services tommorow.

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« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2013, 10:21:01 PM »

Good luck! Smiley
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« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2013, 10:52:40 PM »

Good luck! Smiley

and don't give up Wink

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« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2013, 03:02:52 AM »

And don’t be discouraged by people who claim to live a Christian life while doing the things of the world which are in contradiction to the Church.  They are everywhere, but you don’t have to let their actions infect you.  There are plenty of people who do not do this.  Find them and build strength, unity and encouragement from each other.
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« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2013, 05:26:35 AM »

I'm going to try to find somebody to speak with after church services tommorow.



I hope you have a nice time.  Smiley
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« Reply #71 on: February 25, 2013, 07:32:16 AM »

I'm going to try to find somebody to speak with after church services tommorow.



So how did that go?
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« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2013, 10:47:03 AM »

And don’t be discouraged by people who claim to live a Christian life while doing the things of the world which are in contradiction to the Church.  They are everywhere, but you don’t have to let their actions infect you. 

You could, for example, realize that you do the same, and forgive them.
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And don’t be discouraged by people who claim to live a Christian life while doing the things of the world which are in contradiction to the Church.  They are everywhere, but you don’t have to let their actions infect you. 

You could, for example, realize that you do the same, and forgive them.
What?
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« Reply #74 on: February 26, 2013, 10:51:41 AM »

And don’t be discouraged by people who claim to live a Christian life while doing the things of the world which are in contradiction to the Church.  They are everywhere, but you don’t have to let their actions infect you. 

You could, for example, realize that you do the same, and forgive them.
What?

Most of us claim to live a Christian life, and many of us strive to do so, and fail, to a greater or lesser degree. We all do things of the world that are in contradiction to the Church. Each of us has his or her own struggles and cross to bear.
So we're not that much different. Last Sunday's Gospel illustrates this nicely - the Publican and the Pharisee.
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« Reply #75 on: February 26, 2013, 06:27:02 PM »

I'm going to try to find somebody to speak with after church services tommorow.



So how did that go?

I wasn't able to attend church services that day.
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« Reply #76 on: February 26, 2013, 06:30:03 PM »

Why not just be Catholic? ...
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« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2013, 07:02:23 PM »

I'm going to try to find somebody to speak with after church services tommorow.



So how did that go?

I wasn't able to attend church services that day.

Why not?
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« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2013, 08:58:20 PM »

And don’t be discouraged by people who claim to live a Christian life while doing the things of the world which are in contradiction to the Church.  They are everywhere, but you don’t have to let their actions infect you. 

You could, for example, realize that you do the same, and forgive them.
What?

Most of us claim to live a Christian life, and many of us strive to do so, and fail, to a greater or lesser degree. We all do things of the world that are in contradiction to the Church. Each of us has his or her own struggles and cross to bear.
So we're not that much different. Last Sunday's Gospel illustrates this nicely - the Publican and the Pharisee.
But there is a difference between those who struggle against the world and those who embrace it while claiming to be Christian.  But your point is valid.  I just think we are looking at it from a different vantage point.
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« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2013, 09:07:21 PM »

Why not just be Catholic? ...

Are you asking why shouldn't you just go ahead and be Catholic as opposed to being Orthodox?  Why would that make a difference about feeling isolated?
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« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2013, 09:46:59 PM »

I'm going to try to find somebody to speak with after church services tommorow.



So how did that go?

I wasn't able to attend church services that day.

Why not?

I seem to be unable to attend the church services.
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« Reply #81 on: February 26, 2013, 10:07:01 PM »

Why not just be Catholic? ...

Are you asking why shouldn't you just go ahead and be Catholic as opposed to being Orthodox?  Why would that make a difference about feeling isolated?

I don't know
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« Reply #82 on: February 27, 2013, 06:38:24 AM »

One thing that I've noticed about you over the years, Wesley, is that even though you've gone down many different religious rabbit trails, you've always been drawn back to Orthodoxy. That says a lot to me. Orthodoxy is your home.
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« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2013, 06:21:09 PM »

Try meetup.com or Facebook and see if they have any Orthodox groups near you. See if someone is able to give you a ride.
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