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The Pope is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected development, the Vatican has confirmed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-live-reactionDear Brothers,
I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonisations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church. After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 07:17:28 AM » |
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Pope Benedict XVI on Monday said he plans on resigning the papal office on February 28th. Below please find his announcement. http://en.radiovaticana.va/articolo.asp?c=663815 |
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 07:25:00 AM » |
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Wow this is incredible.
This is, what, the first time a Pope has resigned office in hundreds of years?! I can't imagine that he's just tired of the job, so it leads one to wonder what precipitated this. The Vatican is such a black box politically it's hard to say what's going on, but I fully expect some interesting leaks to be coming our way soon while people position themselves.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 08:02:01 AM » |
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Just heard about it on the news...WOW!
So, Who do yall think will get the job?
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 08:07:39 AM » |
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Just heard about it on the news...WOW!
So, Who do yall think will get the job?
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Just heard about it on the news...WOW!
So, Who do yall think will get the job?
Cardinals Marc Oeullet of Quebec and Peter Turkson of Ghana are the most papabile. Both of them seem like good choices (although I'm not a Catholic). It would probably be Francis Arinze of Nigeria's to lose if he wasn't 80 years old. Of course, there could be an upset with some other choice. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 08:12:57 AM » |
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Shocking, but what a mark of gracious humility, respecting the office and putting the good of the church ahead of ego. "Many Years" to His Holiness.
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Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.
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Shocking, but what a mark of gracious humility, respecting the office and putting the good of the church ahead of ego. "Many Years" to His Holiness.
This way, he will have more of a say in who is elected to succeed him. Those Cardinals who owe him allegiance won't be able to change sides as freely as they would after his death. Indeed a selfless, but wise move. |
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Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.
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Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.
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Just heard about it on the news...WOW!
So, Who do yall think will get the job?
Cardinals Marc Oeullet of Quebec and Peter Turkson of Ghana are the most papabile. Both of them seem like good choices (although I'm not a Catholic). It would probably be Francis Arinze of Nigeria's to lose if he wasn't 80 years old. Of course, there could be an upset with some other choice. "Peter Turkson is one of the few Catholics that haven't raped a young boy yet which may affect his chance to be the new Pope, Turkson is expected to rape a young boy soon as possible." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_TurksonGotta love those Wiki "editors" (or rapists is fitting) |
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Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.
Trying..........to........hold......my......breath...(gasp)... Huh? To put it mildly, an Eastern Catholic Pope would probably have a negative impact on Orthodox-Catholic relations. Most Orthodox would much prefer a "Latin" Pope over an Eastern Catholic one. |
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To put it mildly, an Easter Catholic Pope would probably have a negative impact on Orthodox-Catholic relations.
Most Orthodox would much prefer a "Latin" Pope over an Eastern Catholic one.
So? A Byzantine Pope would be awesome. An Oriental one is fine too. |
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So? A Byzantine Pope would be awesome. An Oriental one is fine too.
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So? A Byzantine Pope would be awesome. An Oriental one is fine too.
I was just trying to explain Ἀριστοκλέους reaction. Ah yes. Perhaps he was trying to say "I wouldn't hold your breath". Nice genitive case, though. |
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To put it mildly, an Eastern Catholic Pope would probably have a negative impact on Orthodox-Catholic relations.
Most Orthodox would much prefer a "Latin" Pope over an Eastern Catholic one.
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Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.
I think that is impossible because the Latin Catholic Pope is required to be of the Roman-rite. The Eastern Catholics have their own patriarchs who are appointed by the Latin Pope and are subject to the Latin Pope. If it were possible, an Eastern Catholic pope would greatly strain Orthodox-Catholic relations. |
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2013, 09:22:25 AM » |
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Maybe saint Malachi guys proven prediction about all the popes are right. If so then this new pope is the final pope
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I'd be happy with an Eastern Pope as long as he isn't like Anthony Quinn in "Shoes of the Fisherman".
As for the rest of this....I am speechless and must take time to absorb this. I think I'll go to the noon Mass today.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 09:54:02 AM » |
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Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.
I think that is impossible because the Latin Catholic Pope is required to be of the Roman-rite. The Eastern Catholics have their own patriarchs who are appointed by the Latin Pope and are subject to the Latin Pope. If it were possible, an Eastern Catholic pope would greatly strain Orthodox-Catholic relations. The Pope is not required to be of the Latin Rite/Church (regretably) and EC/OC patriarchs are not appointed by the Latin Pope. Other than that, you've got it right. I feel relatively confident in saying that the vast majority of knowledgeable and informed Eastern and Oriental Catholics would want no part of a pope elected from the Eastern or Oriental hierarchies. Many years, Neil |
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To put it mildly, an Easter Catholic Pope would probably have a negative impact on Orthodox-Catholic relations.
Most Orthodox would much prefer a "Latin" Pope over an Eastern Catholic one.
So? A Byzantine Pope would be awesome. An Oriental one is fine too. I think there are two Byzantine Catholic Cardinals and both would be over 80 years old in a future conclave after 28th February 2013. So there are three possibilities for an Eastern Catholic Pope - the Maronite Patriarch Bechara Boutros al Rahi and the Major Archbishops of the Syro-Malabar and the Syro-Malankara Catholic Churches |
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Maybe the Pope is resigning so he can become Orthodox "It ain't over 'til it's over." |
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My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.
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I'm very saddened to hear this.
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My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.
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My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.
There already is a Pope Michael: There's apparently a documentary about Pope Michael that's free for viewing. I know what I'll be watching during my lunch hour. |
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My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.
There already is a Pope Michael: There's apparently a documentary about Pope Michael that's free for viewing. I know what I'll be watching during my lunch hour. If you want to feel a little depressed . . . |
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My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.
There already is a Pope Michael: There's apparently a documentary about Pope Michael that's free for viewing. I know what I'll be watching during my lunch hour. If you want to feel a little depressed . . . Schadenfreude, mein Kumpel. EDIT TO AVOID MODERATORIAL SANCTIONS: "[M]ein Kumpel" means "my pal" in German.  |
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Maybe the Pope is resigning so he can become Orthodox He already is orthodox, and doesn't need to resign to become so. |
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the question now becomes, what is his title now, after he offically resigns?
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At minimum, priest. He may still have the status of bishop, but I'm not sure. He would still have the dignity of a Bishop at the very least, partly because of the idea that ordination leaves a permant change of nature of a candidate, and that, for normal bishops, their title became "Emetrius Bishop of Buffalo", for example |
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"Though obviously the haters and bigots will never see it, this is a rare and refreshing display of humility.
It's not often someone has the integrity simply to walk away from such an honored position.
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Incredible, wielding power with humility very few examples in the books of history. especially among those who hold the religious and political influence as one. that has been a recipe for the insanity of many.
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Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.
I think that is impossible because the Latin Catholic Pope is required to be of the Roman-rite. There have been a lot of Greek/Syrian Popes. The Eastern Catholics have their own patriarchs who are appointed by the Latin Pope Well, no. They're elected by their own synods. |
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There already is a Pope Michael: There's apparently a documentary about Pope Michael that's free for viewing. I know what I'll be watching during my lunch hour. If you want to feel a little depressed . . . I should have listen to this warning, I could not go more than the first 15 minutes, but by then the damage was done. I would categorize this under ' more than a little depressing' even without seeing the whole pitiful and disturbing story. |
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Wow this is incredible.
This is, what, the first time a Pope has resigned office in hundreds of years?! I can't imagine that he's just tired of the job, so it leads one to wonder what precipitated this. The Vatican is such a black box politically it's hard to say what's going on, but I fully expect some interesting leaks to be coming our way soon while people position themselves.
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"Religion is a neurobiological illness and Orthodoxy is its cure." - Fr. John S. Romanides
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