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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2013, 04:00:43 PM »
I think the Orthodox are happy as long as they have something to complain about -- which they would, either way.

You, Sir, have a poor opinion of the Orthodox.

Needless to say, the ones you meet online are hardly representative for the bulk of Orthodoxy.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2013, 04:03:15 PM »
I think the Orthodox are happy as long as they have something to complain about -- which they would, either way.

That's just downright rude, and wrong.

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Hopefully no scandal is involved (which seems to be the case) or severe illness.  Many years to him!

Btw, just for those who know Chicago and interested in trivia: Division street, if it could go straight through to Rome, would go right through the Cistine Chapel. Holy Trinity Cathedral (0CA) at Rome's longitude would be under the southern half of the dome of St. Peter's Basilica and over the catacombs where St. Peter lies.  Haddon street (the street running along north of the Cathedral) going straight would run under the Baldachin of St. Peter, under the balcony where they say "habenus papam," nick the Obelisk in the center of the Piazza S. Pietro, and go down Via della Conciliazione.
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By the list recently posted, it appears that Benedict XVI probably has much in common with Celestine V.

That is what I thought when I first heard the news.
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That's what they said on FOX4 News this morning.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2013, 04:30:46 PM »
This is false (as others already pointed out).

We should stop pretending that it is not true.  It is.  Why would the Patriarchs come to Rome when the Pope summons them to *his* synod?  It is a pipe dream to think that the EC Patriarchs are not subject to the Pope.

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Hopefully no scandal is involved (which seems to be the case) or severe illness.  Many years to him!

Btw, just for those who know Chicago and interested in trivia: Division street, if it could go straight through to Rome, would go right through the Cistine Chapel. Holy Trinity Cathedral (0CA) at Rome's longitude would be under the southern half of the dome of St. Peter's Basilica and over the catacombs where St. Peter lies.  Haddon street (the street running along north of the Cathedral) going straight would run under the Baldachin of St. Peter, under the balcony where they say "habenus papam," nick the Obelisk in the center of the Piazza S. Pietro, and go down Via della Conciliazione.


When I heard the news that the Pope was resigning I wondered how Isa would be able to make it into a Map.. :)
« Last Edit: February 11, 2013, 04:32:17 PM by Marc1152 »
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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But wait 'cause he told me that as his last act as a pope he intends to proclaim the dogma of papal failibility for he said, it is clear, that charisma has. Long passed  down to the third Rome.

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But wait 'cause he told me that as his last act as a pope he intends to proclaim the dogma of papal failibility for he said, it is clear, that charisma has. Long passed  down to the third Rome.
Was that to answer how many divisions the pope has?
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Hopefully no scandal is involved (which seems to be the case)
There's no need to speculate about such things that are beyond our understanding.
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So, will the next Pope be named Peter?    :-\
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So, will the next Pope be named Peter?    :-\

Or Simon.

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So, will the next Pope be named Peter?    :-\
I was hoping someone knew what I was talking about.
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I "got" it.
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I'm a Peter Turkson man I think. Timothy Dolan is charismatic and American and all, but he kind of terrifies me.
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Dolan for pope. I'd love someone who won't pull any punches.
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so, i signed in to see if there was any reaction to today's shocking news, but i didn't expect 3 pages!
i see you are all as shocked as i was. i had to stop working for 10 minutes.

may God have mercy.
now is the time to pray very much for healing and restoration (in the orthodox direction, in my opinion) in the roman catholic church and the other catholic churches affiliated with it.
i have met many fine catholic priests and other people and i know many have a true and living faith.
may God guide them and banish the liberalism that is so deeply rooted in some parts of the church.

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Hopefully no scandal is involved (which seems to be the case) or severe illness.  Many years to him!

Btw, just for those who know Chicago and interested in trivia: Division street, if it could go straight through to Rome, would go right through the Cistine Chapel. Holy Trinity Cathedral (0CA) at Rome's longitude would be under the southern half of the dome of St. Peter's Basilica and over the catacombs where St. Peter lies.  Haddon street (the street running along north of the Cathedral) going straight would run under the Baldachin of St. Peter, under the balcony where they say "habenus papam," nick the Obelisk in the center of the Piazza S. Pietro, and go down Via della Conciliazione.


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I'm a Peter Turkson man I think. Timothy Dolan is charismatic and American and all, but he kind of terrifies me.
I was rooting for Cardinal Arinze last time, as he terrified all the right people. He is not eligible to vote (and hence less likely to be elected) since three months ago, unfortunately.
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Hopefully no scandal is involved (which seems to be the case) or severe illness.  Many years to him!

Btw, just for those who know Chicago and interested in trivia: Division street, if it could go straight through to Rome, would go right through the Cistine Chapel. Holy Trinity Cathedral (0CA) at Rome's longitude would be under the southern half of the dome of St. Peter's Basilica and over the catacombs where St. Peter lies.  Haddon street (the street running along north of the Cathedral) going straight would run under the Baldachin of St. Peter, under the balcony where they say "habenus papam," nick the Obelisk in the center of the Piazza S. Pietro, and go down Via della Conciliazione.


Step away from the atlas . . .
IL has been practicing geography control from way back..
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Professor who's your man this time around?
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I wonder if the new Pope will affect Orthodox-Catholic relations. I'm hoping for a Pope that will use his international fame and western influence to ease the persecution that Orthodox Christians are facing in the Middle East under Islam.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #113 on: February 11, 2013, 06:07:27 PM »
I think the Orthodox are happy as long as they have something to complain about -- which they would, either way.

That's just downright rude, and wrong.



Like the Bible says, you reap what you sow (I don't believe this at all, but people think it makes a figurative point even if it doesn't make a literal one). The you here is the one we use to avoid using one and sounding English.

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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #114 on: February 11, 2013, 06:12:31 PM »
In short, oc.net, ain't so kind to RCs.

To be fair, the Catholic Answers forum isn't too kind to the Orthodox either; you get banned or have your posts deleted the moment you make a point.
...Or it's just possible he's a mouthy young man on an internet forum.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2013, 06:19:10 PM »
In short, oc.net, ain't so kind to RCs.

To be fair, the Catholic Answers forum isn't too kind to the Orthodox either; you get banned or have your posts deleted the moment you make a point.

So, two wrongs make a right? One group can punish strangers for what another has done? Even though they are discrete properties, owned and operated by different people?

I really hope we don't do it that way. If you only love those who love you, what is that to you? Even sinners do the same.

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I'm a Peter Turkson man I think. Timothy Dolan is charismatic and American and all, but he kind of terrifies me.
I was rooting for Cardinal Arinze last time, as he terrified all the right people. He is not eligible to vote (and hence less likely to be elected) since three months ago, unfortunately.

Why is this? Is it his age? Of all the names I've heard, I would go for Cardinal Arinze all the way. Always loved him. Seems like a real straight-shooter at a point in time when Rome could really use one.

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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2013, 06:32:20 PM »
Like the Bible says, you reap what you sow (I don't believe this at all, but people think it makes a figurative point even if it doesn't make a literal one). The you here is the one we use to avoid using one and sounding English.

In short, oc.net, ain't so kind to RCs.

I thought they just had a funny way of showing it.  :D

In short, oc.net, ain't so kind to RCs.

To be fair, the Catholic Answers forum isn't too kind to the Orthodox either;

True.  :(
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I'm a Peter Turkson man I think. Timothy Dolan is charismatic and American and all, but he kind of terrifies me.

But he's not a Roman! He's an African!
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I'm a Peter Turkson man I think. Timothy Dolan is charismatic and American and all, but he kind of terrifies me.
I was rooting for Cardinal Arinze last time, as he terrified all the right people. He is not eligible to vote (and hence less likely to be elected) since three months ago, unfortunately.

Why is this? Is it his age? Of all the names I've heard, I would go for Cardinal Arinze all the way. Always loved him. Seems like a real straight-shooter at a point in time when Rome could really use one.
Yes, the age limit.  Technically, he can still be elected, but since he cannot elect one, the chances of him being elected is slim.
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Professor who's your man this time around?
I could live with Card. Dolan. For one thing, like the former Card. Ratzinger, I don't think he wants the job.
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I'm a Peter Turkson man I think. Timothy Dolan is charismatic and American and all, but he kind of terrifies me.

But he's not a Roman! He's an African!
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I'm a Peter Turkson man I think. Timothy Dolan is charismatic and American and all, but he kind of terrifies me.
I was rooting for Cardinal Arinze last time, as he terrified all the right people. He is not eligible to vote (and hence less likely to be elected) since three months ago, unfortunately.
Look at that. We are actually in agreement on this matter.
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Blast from the not-too-distant past:

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January 7, 2013. (Romereports.com) The personal secretary to the Pope is now archbishop. During the ceremony at St. Peter's Basilica, three other prelates were ordained: Vincenzo Zani, Fortunatus Nwackukwu and Nicolas Thevenin.

One month ago, Benedict XVI reinforced his trust in Georg Gaenswein by naming him as the Prefect of the Papal Household. His duties will include coordinating activities and meetings for the Pope.
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Professor who's your man this time around?
I could live with Card. Dolan. For one thing, like the former Card. Ratzinger, I don't think he wants the job.
I think the chances of there ever being an American Pope are very slim.
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I'm not trying to troll, but genuinely asking.

How much blame is on Pope Benedict with how he handled the priest sex scandals? Could an argument been made that he should have done more?
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I'm not trying to troll, but genuinely asking.

How much blame is on Pope Benedict with how he handled the priest sex scandals? Could an argument been made that he should have done more?
Any time anything goes wrong, those arguments can be made.
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I'm not trying to troll, but genuinely asking.

How much blame is on Pope Benedict with how he handled the priest sex scandals? Could an argument been made that he should have done more?
Any time anything goes wrong, those arguments can be made.
To what extent is he responsible and what should he have done?

How the RCC handled the sex scandals has been utterly tragic.
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So, will the next Pope be named Peter?    :-\

Or Simon.

Or "the Rock"  :D   

I bet if the Rock becomes the Pope alot will convert  ;)
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I'm not trying to troll, but genuinely asking.

How much blame is on Pope Benedict with how he handled the priest sex scandals? Could an argument been made that he should have done more?
Any time anything goes wrong, those arguments can be made.
To what extent is he responsible and what should he have done?

How the RCC handled the sex scandals has been utterly tragic.
In response to your question, I honestly don't known. And in response to your observation, I agree.
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I don't think Hans Küng will be in the running. Just a hunch.
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Professor who's your man this time around?
I could live with Card. Dolan. For one thing, like the former Card. Ratzinger, I don't think he wants the job.
I think the chances of there ever being an American Pope are very slim.
It would be like taking imperialism to the next level

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I'm not trying to troll, but genuinely asking.

How much blame is on Pope Benedict with how he handled the priest sex scandals? Could an argument been made that he should have done more?
Any time anything goes wrong, those arguments can be made.
To what extent is he responsible and what should he have done?
Not much from what I've seen, except allowing his predecessor's assylum for Cardinal Law continue.
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I wast to see a Black African be elected, just for something radically different to happen.

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Professor who's your man this time around?
I could live with Card. Dolan. For one thing, like the former Card. Ratzinger, I don't think he wants the job.
I think the chances of there ever being an American Pope are very slim.
It would be like taking imperialism to the next level
Yeah, there's never been imperialist Germans, Poles or Italians ::)
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