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Seems I read something to the effect that Nostradamus prophesied that an interloper wouls become the penultimate Pope and cause all sorts of scandal.  Strange, then, that, amid all the scandalmongering now going on around the upcoming conclave, I've heard nothing of this.
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Seems I read something to the effect that Nostradamus prophesied that an interloper wouls become the penultimate Pope and cause all sorts of scandal.  Strange, then, that, amid all the scandalmongering now going on around the upcoming conclave, I've heard nothing of this.

Maybe because said "interloper" isn't becoming the penultimate Pope or that Pope BXVI wasn't, either?  When has there not been scandal and mongering associated with the Church?
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Certainly this made the work of the retiring Pope more difficult:
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Chief exorcist says Devil is in the Vatican

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The evil influence of Satan was evident in the highest ranks of the Catholic hierarchy, with “cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon,” Father Amorth [The Vatican's chief exorcist] said.

Recent revelations of “violence and paedophilia” committed by Catholic priests against children in their care was also the work of the Devil, said Father Amorth,

http://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2011/01/22/chief-exorcist-says-devil-is-in-the-vatican-nick-squires/

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I liked this part of the speech of His Holiness:

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[These years] have been a stretch of the Church’s pilgrim way, which has seen moments joy and light, but also difficult moments. I have felt like St. Peter with the Apostles in the boat on the Sea of Galilee: the Lord has given us many days of sunshine and gentle breeze, days in which the catch has been abundant; [then] there have been times when the seas were rough and the wind against us, as in the whole history of the Church it has ever been – and the Lord seemed to sleep. Nevertheless, I always knew that the Lord is in the barque, that the barque of the Church is not mine, not ours, but His – and He shall not let her sink. It is He, who steers her: to be sure, he does so also through men of His choosing, for He desired that it be so. This was and is a certainty that nothing can tarnish. It is for this reason, that today my heart is filled with gratitude to God, for never did He leave me or the Church without His consolation, His light, His love.

It sounds really like a lesson for all dioceses and parishes to understand and learn.
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As Pope Benedict XVl resigns, The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church will have its Vl Patriarch, today! Is it just a coincidence that these two occurrences take place on this very day? I truly believe, also in the 21st century, David can beat Golliath.


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As Pope Benedict XVl resigns, The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church will have its Vl Patriarch, today! Is it just a coincidence that these two occurrences take place on this very day? I truly believe, also in the 21st century, David can beat Golliath.


sersiously dude? We're not at war with one another.
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Is it just a coincidence that these two occurrences take place on this very day?

Yes.
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I just watched the live feed, His Holiness has arrived at the papal villa at Castel Gandolfo.
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As Pope Benedict XVl resigns, The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church will have its Vl Patriarch, today! Is it just a coincidence that these two occurrences take place on this very day? I truly believe, also in the 21st century, David can beat Golliath.


sersiously dude? We're not at war with one another.
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I can see the first thing His Holiness does after greeting the people from his balcony is go to his favorite recliner, as his staff brings him his cappuccino.  "Is His Holiness comfortable?"  He answers, "Ack!  All my favorite programs have been preempted for coverage of my resignation."

All kidding, aside, tomorrow it will all sink in and he'll realize he no longer has all these meetings and paper work to deal with.  God bless him i n his retirement.
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OY VEY!!!
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I'm not Catholic and I'm not planning to become one but in a way I will miss him too. I hope his not going to disappear into the dungeons of Vatican. Has he ever written any kind of biography? I'd love to read one if there is.

The succeeding pope will be the third pope that I see in my lifetime. Man, I feel old now.

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So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

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Ha!  The Orthodox has been sedevacantists since 1054 ;)

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So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)

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I'm not Catholic and I'm not planning to become one but in a way I will miss him too. I hope his not going to disappear into the dungeons of Vatican. Has he ever written any kind of biography? I'd love to read one if there is.

The succeeding pope will be the third pope that I see in my lifetime. Man, I feel old now.

Why?  Back in the day there was a new Pope every few years.  Pope John Paul II defied the odds by being Pope for over 20 years.

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I'm not Catholic and I'm not planning to become one but in a way I will miss him too. I hope his not going to disappear into the dungeons of Vatican. Has he ever written any kind of biography? I'd love to read one if there is.

The succeeding pope will be the third pope that I see in my lifetime. Man, I feel old now.

HA!  This will make 7 when the new pope is elected.  Talk about feeling old.
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You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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101 minutes until I become a sedevacantist.

So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)
Or maybe it means that our communion in the faith is even more fundamental than our communion with the Pope. Just saying.
You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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I'm not Catholic and I'm not planning to become one but in a way I will miss him too. I hope his not going to disappear into the dungeons of Vatican. Has he ever written any kind of biography? I'd love to read one if there is.

The succeeding pope will be the third pope that I see in my lifetime. Man, I feel old now.
I hope he doesn't disappear. I have a warm place in my heart for this quiet, gentle pope.
You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)
Or maybe it means that our communion in the faith is even more fundamental than our communion with the Pope. Just saying.

I'm telling you, come and pick up your "Offical Orthodox" membership card. ;)

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I watched a You Tube by an Ultra Traditionalist grouplet that makes a pretty good case that Benadict is a Nestorian... They quoted him chapter and verse.. Above my pay grade to fully understand but I will see if I can find it.
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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45 minutes and counting

3 minutes.
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I watched a You Tube by an Ultra Traditionalist grouplet that makes a pretty good case that Benadict is a Nestorian... They quoted him chapter and verse.. Above my pay grade to fully understand but I will see if I can find it.

As the old saying goes, the Devil himself can quote Scripture to make his case.
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I'm not Catholic and I'm not planning to become one but in a way I will miss him too. I hope his not going to disappear into the dungeons of Vatican. Has he ever written any kind of biography? I'd love to read one if there is.

The succeeding pope will be the third pope that I see in my lifetime. Man, I feel old now.
I hope he doesn't disappear. I have a warm place in my heart for this quiet, gentle pope.

'coz he's a traddie? ;)

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I watched a You Tube by an Ultra Traditionalist grouplet that makes a pretty good case that Benadict is a Nestorian... They quoted him chapter and verse.. Above my pay grade to fully understand but I will see if I can find it.

As the old saying goes, the Devil himself can quote Scripture to make his case.

Yup, we have plenty of that today.

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Well it is now official, non habent papam.

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101 minutes until I become a sedevacantist.

So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)
Or maybe it means that our communion in the faith is even more fundamental than our communion with the Pope. Just saying.
not what "Pastor Aeternus" says.
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So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)
Or maybe it means that our communion in the faith is even more fundamental than our communion with the Pope. Just saying.
not what "Pastor Aeternus" says.

Actually it is Unam Sanctam that says that:

"Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff"

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fixed it for ya
not quite.

In Arabic, I pray for the Pope in the dual (in the same way that we say "the two Peters" for "SS. Peter and Paul" and "the two moons" for "the sun and the moon.").
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So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)
Or maybe it means that our communion in the faith is even more fundamental than our communion with the Pope. Just saying.
not what "Pastor Aeternus" says.

Actually it is Unam Sanctam that says that:

"Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff"
well, render unto Caesar (he was pontifex maximus too)...
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so what would latin be for the dual?
(i am in awe at these 2 linguists!)

i love the photo, by the way.
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(i can smile in the dual!)
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101 minutes until I become a sedevacantist.

So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)
Or maybe it means that our communion in the faith is even more fundamental than our communion with the Pope. Just saying.
not what "Pastor Aeternus" says.
Or Isa's interpretation of Pastor Aeternus.
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You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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101 minutes until I become a sedevacantist.

So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)
Or maybe it means that our communion in the faith is even more fundamental than our communion with the Pope. Just saying.
not what "Pastor Aeternus" says.

Actually it is Unam Sanctam that says that:

"Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff"
Do you think that Unam Sanctam does not take into account the instances when there is no Pope. There is currently no Pope. Do you think that that means that according to the Catholic Church, I am now damned?
You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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fixed it for ya
not quite.

In Arabic, I pray for the Pope in the dual (in the same way that we say "the two Peters" for "SS. Peter and Paul" and "the two moons" for "the sun and the moon.").

Thing is though, the dual number doesn't exist in latin, so it would be the plural.

(I wouldnt put it in the plural, but that is a particular case of my not being in communion with the OO)

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101 minutes until I become a sedevacantist.

So does that mean that already-sedevacantists become just schismatics instead of heretics as well for a bit? ;)

No, they all come into communion via the empty Chair of Peter ;)
Or maybe it means that our communion in the faith is even more fundamental than our communion with the Pope. Just saying.
not what "Pastor Aeternus" says.

Actually it is Unam Sanctam that says that:

"Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff"
Do you think that Unam Sanctam does not take into account the instances when there is no Pope. There is currently no Pope. Do you think that that means that according to the Catholic Church, I am now damned?
According to the Catholic Church....
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Well it is now official, non habent papam.

Habemus papam


From left to right...Pope Theodore II, Pope Theodore II, .....:P
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Do you think that Unam Sanctam does not take into account the instances when there is no Pope. There is currently no Pope. Do you think that that means that according to the Catholic Church, I am now damned?

My response was to ialmisry's response to your post where you said that unity is by faith, not to the Pope.  It is clear that the Catholic Church teachest that unity is through the Pope alone.  I guess you can say that if a Pope accepts one into communion then there is a guarantee that is a unity of faith.  But still it is through the Pope.  What if the Orthodox say today that they will accept full Communion with the Roman Catholic Church and accept all her teachings as is, but this offer expires in one week.  Do you think anyone in the Roman Catholic Church can take that offer right now?

As for whether you are saved or damned, I don't know.  It wasn't in the context of the discussion and not something I deeply thought about in that context.  I mean, you are asking a person who was Catholic for 36 years and left, if I truly believed that salvation rested on the Roman Pontiff then why did I go to the Orthodox Church?  Maybe try not dying until the next Pope is elected just to have your bases covered ;)

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fixed it for ya
not quite.

In Arabic, I pray for the Pope in the dual (in the same way that we say "the two Peters" for "SS. Peter and Paul" and "the two moons" for "the sun and the moon.").

Thing is though, the dual number doesn't exist in latin, so it would be the plural.

(I wouldnt put it in the plural, but that is a particular case of my not being in communion with the OO)
The dual isn't just used to indicate two.  Sometimes it is used (as I do in the case of the two Popes Theodore II) to indicate identity.ادكر يا رب الباباوين ثيودورسين

Btw, I like this photo:

The figure in the center is the Lion of St. Mark the Evangelist.  I like how the Popes sit next to each other with the empty throne, until that day (God grant it soon!) one sits in it.
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(I wouldnt put it in the plural, but that is a particular case of my not being in communion with the OO)

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Do you think that Unam Sanctam does not take into account the instances when there is no Pope. There is currently no Pope. Do you think that that means that according to the Catholic Church, I am now damned?

My response was to ialmisry's response to your post where you said that unity is by faith, not to the Pope.  It is clear that the Catholic Church teachest that unity is through the Pope alone.  I guess you can say that if a Pope accepts one into communion then there is a guarantee that is a unity of faith.  But still it is through the Pope.  What if the Orthodox say today that they will accept full Communion with the Roman Catholic Church and accept all her teachings as is, but this offer expires in one week.  Do you think anyone in the Roman Catholic Church can take that offer right now?

As for whether you are saved or damned, I don't know.  It wasn't in the context of the discussion and not something I deeply thought about in that context.  I mean, you are asking a person who was Catholic for 36 years and left, if I truly believed that salvation rested on the Roman Pontiff then why did I go to the Orthodox Church?  Maybe try not dying until the next Pope is elected just to have your bases covered ;)
Well then you are simply delusional. If unity were "in the Pope alone" as you suggest, then at this moment, there would be not a single member of the Catholic Church. But as it is, there are still over a billion Catholics worldwide, in spite of the fact that there is no Pope with whom were are in communion.
You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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Do you think that Unam Sanctam does not take into account the instances when there is no Pope. There is currently no Pope. Do you think that that means that according to the Catholic Church, I am now damned?

My response was to ialmisry's response to your post where you said that unity is by faith, not to the Pope.  It is clear that the Catholic Church teachest that unity is through the Pope alone.  I guess you can say that if a Pope accepts one into communion then there is a guarantee that is a unity of faith.  But still it is through the Pope.  What if the Orthodox say today that they will accept full Communion with the Roman Catholic Church and accept all her teachings as is, but this offer expires in one week.  Do you think anyone in the Roman Catholic Church can take that offer right now?

As for whether you are saved or damned, I don't know.  It wasn't in the context of the discussion and not something I deeply thought about in that context.  I mean, you are asking a person who was Catholic for 36 years and left, if I truly believed that salvation rested on the Roman Pontiff then why did I go to the Orthodox Church?  Maybe try not dying until the next Pope is elected just to have your bases covered ;)
Well then you are simply delusional. If unity were "in the Pope alone" as you suggest, then at this moment, there would be not a single member of the Catholic Church. But as it is, there are still over a billion Catholics worldwide, in spite of the fact that there is no Pope with whom were are in communion.

Maybe there is no Roman Catholic Church.  Did you check?