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Is it still in force?
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 10:12:42 AM »
Reading this article, I would say the intercommunion between this Churches is brought back.

And glory be to God, the situation was so stupid.



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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 10:18:27 AM »
LOL.

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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 02:49:05 PM »
why were they not in communion?

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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 03:13:33 PM »
why were they not in communion?

The Patriarchate of Romania had established a parish in the Holy Land, infringing on the canonical territory of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, the Romanians having uncanonically defined their jurisdiction along ethnic rather than geographical lines.

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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 05:54:18 PM »
why were they not in communion?

The Patriarchate of Romania had established a parish in the Holy Land, infringing on the canonical territory of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, the Romanians having uncanonically defined their jurisdiction along ethnic rather than geographical lines.

And if they are now in communion again, how did this problem get solved? or did they just forget it and Jerusalem caved?
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 05:55:29 PM »
I suppose they won't blow up that church.

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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2013, 06:27:12 PM »
Thank God; I had forgotten about this problem.
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2013, 09:02:09 PM »
why were they not in communion?

The Patriarchate of Romania had established a parish in the Holy Land, infringing on the canonical territory of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, the Romanians having uncanonically defined their jurisdiction along ethnic rather than geographical lines.

And if they are now in communion again, how did this problem get solved? or did they just forget it and Jerusalem caved?

It sounds like the parish will exist as a Pilgrimage House, a place for Romanian Pilgrims to the Holy Land. Not sure what that exactly means.
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013, 10:21:34 AM »
Here is a video of the meeting by the way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kaMn3glmi8

why were they not in communion?

The Patriarchate of Romania had established a parish in the Holy Land, infringing on the canonical territory of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, the Romanians having uncanonically defined their jurisdiction along ethnic rather than geographical lines.

And if they are now in communion again, how did this problem get solved? or did they just forget it and Jerusalem caved?

It sounds like the parish will exist as a Pilgrimage House, a place for Romanian Pilgrims to the Holy Land. Not sure what that exactly means.

I wonder if it will actually be that, or that is just its "name" and instead it would just act as a normal parish...
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013, 03:01:26 PM »
It could be a represental church  like St Catherine's OCA Church in Russia that the OCA maintains---in that case it is like an ambassadorial church.
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2013, 06:38:12 PM »
I wonder who will be commemorated as the hierarch of the parish during the Divine Services.  It does seem from the video that warm relations were reestablished, thankfully.
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 06:40:18 PM »
I wonder who will be commemorated as the hierarch of the parish during the Divine Services.

Both of them? Isn't that the proper practice for metochia?

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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 12:37:39 PM »
I wonder who will be commemorated as the hierarch of the parish during the Divine Services.

Both of them? Isn't that the proper practice for metochia?

Is that the common practice? I always thought that metochia commemorated the primate of the church they represent and not the local primate?

Honestly, though, I don't know much about them. I'd love for someone to post more information. :)
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 12:53:40 PM »
It's not necessarily a metochion. It could be part of JP with local bishop but with Romanian priest and Romanian services.
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2013, 06:24:25 PM »
I wonder who will be commemorated as the hierarch of the parish during the Divine Services.

Both of them? Isn't that the proper practice for metochia?

Is that the common practice? I always thought that metochia commemorated the primate of the church they represent and not the local primate?

Honestly, though, I don't know much about them. I'd love for someone to post more information. :)


I thought "metochia" commemorated their abbot or abbess and the bishop of the diocese under whom they are subject, although I'm not sure.
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Re: No intercommunion between Jerusalem and Romania // edit: not any longer
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2013, 08:12:25 PM »
The official word:
http://www.jp-newsgate.net/en/2013/02/21/2339/#more-2339
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Regarding the status of the church and the pilgrim’s hostel in Jericho, the Romanian Patriarchate should remain the owner of these buildings, while the spiritual, liturgical and ecclesiastical use of these buildings should depend on the canonical blessing of the Patriarch of Jerusalem:
a)    The priests serving in the church of these buildings should be appointed by the Patriarch of Jerusalem on the basis of recommendation of the Patriarch of Romania. It is of course understood that the Patriarch of Jerusalem may Himself or with his clergy liturgically use this church whenever he decides to do so;
b)    All priests celebrating the Divine Liturgy in the church should commemorate at the anaphora (ἐν πρώτοις μνήσθητι) only the Patriarch of Jerusalem, while at the Great Entrance the priests may commemorate also the name of the Patriarch of Romania;
c)     The Antimision will be received from the Patriarch of Jerusalem.
The Romanian Patriarchate will avoid in the future to build churches or shrines on the canonical territory of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem without written agreement.
Concerning the status of Archimandrite Ieronim Creţu, who was deposed from the rank of priesthood, it was agreed that the Patriarchate of Jerusalem will lift up this canonical measure, and the Romanian Patriarchate will call him back to Romania.
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