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The Pope is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected development, the Vatican has confirmed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-live-reaction

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Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 07:17:28 AM »
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Pope Benedict XVI on Monday said he plans on resigning the papal office on February 28th. Below please find his announcement.

http://en.radiovaticana.va/articolo.asp?c=663815

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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 07:25:00 AM »
Wow this is incredible.

This is, what, the first time a Pope has resigned office in hundreds of years?! I can't imagine that he's just tired of the job, so it leads one to wonder what precipitated this. The Vatican is such a black box politically it's hard to say what's going on, but I fully expect some interesting leaks to be coming our way soon while people position themselves.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 08:02:01 AM »
Just heard about it on the news...WOW!

So, Who do yall think will get the job?
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 08:07:39 AM »
Just heard about it on the news...WOW!

So, Who do yall think will get the job?
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 08:07:49 AM »
Just heard about it on the news...WOW!

So, Who do yall think will get the job?

Cardinals Marc Oeullet of Quebec and Peter Turkson of Ghana are the most papabile. Both of them seem like good choices (although I'm not a Catholic). It would probably be Francis Arinze of Nigeria's to lose if he wasn't 80 years old.

Of course, there could be an upset with some other choice.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 08:12:57 AM »
Shocking, but what a mark of gracious humility, respecting the office and putting the good of the church ahead of ego.  "Many Years" to His Holiness.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 08:22:59 AM »
Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 08:28:20 AM »
Shocking, but what a mark of gracious humility, respecting the office and putting the good of the church ahead of ego.  "Many Years" to His Holiness.

This way, he will have more of a say in who is elected to succeed him. Those Cardinals who owe him allegiance won't be able to change sides as freely as they would after his death.

Indeed a selfless, but wise move.

  

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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013, 08:32:11 AM »
Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.

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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 08:34:51 AM »
Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.

Trying..........to........hold......my......breath...(gasp)...

Huh?
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 08:37:31 AM »
Just heard about it on the news...WOW!

So, Who do yall think will get the job?

Cardinals Marc Oeullet of Quebec and Peter Turkson of Ghana are the most papabile. Both of them seem like good choices (although I'm not a Catholic). It would probably be Francis Arinze of Nigeria's to lose if he wasn't 80 years old.

Of course, there could be an upset with some other choice.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 08:44:43 AM »
Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.

Trying..........to........hold......my......breath...(gasp)...

Huh?

To put it mildly, an Eastern Catholic Pope would probably have a negative impact on Orthodox-Catholic relations.

Most Orthodox would much prefer a "Latin" Pope over an Eastern Catholic one.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 08:47:09 AM »
To put it mildly, an Easter Catholic Pope would probably have a negative impact on Orthodox-Catholic relations.

Most Orthodox would much prefer a "Latin" Pope over an Eastern Catholic one.

So? A Byzantine Pope would be awesome. An Oriental one is fine too.
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 08:52:23 AM »
So? A Byzantine Pope would be awesome. An Oriental one is fine too.

I was just trying to explain Ἀριστοκλέους reaction.

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 08:59:15 AM »
So? A Byzantine Pope would be awesome. An Oriental one is fine too.

I was just trying to explain Ἀριστοκλέους reaction.

Ah yes. Perhaps he was trying to say "I wouldn't hold your breath". Nice genitive case, though.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2013, 09:02:35 AM »

To put it mildly, an Eastern Catholic Pope would probably have a negative impact on Orthodox-Catholic relations.

Most Orthodox would much prefer a "Latin" Pope over an Eastern Catholic one.

You're right. We might have to start evangelizing if that were to happen.
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2013, 09:09:09 AM »
Just heard about it on the news...WOW!

So, Who do yall think will get the job?
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2013, 09:16:27 AM »
Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.

I think that is impossible because the Latin Catholic Pope is required to be of the Roman-rite. The Eastern Catholics have their own patriarchs who are appointed by the Latin Pope and are subject to the Latin Pope. If it were possible, an Eastern Catholic pope would greatly strain Orthodox-Catholic relations.   
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2013, 09:22:25 AM »
Maybe saint Malachi guys proven prediction about all the popes are right. If so then this new pope is the final pope

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2013, 09:32:10 AM »
I'd be happy with an Eastern Pope as long as he isn't like Anthony Quinn in "Shoes of the Fisherman".

As for the rest of this....I am speechless and must take time to absorb this. I think I'll go to the noon Mass today.

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2013, 09:47:46 AM »
Maybe the Pope is resigning so he can become Orthodox :)
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 09:54:02 AM »
Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.

I think that is impossible because the Latin Catholic Pope is required to be of the Roman-rite. The Eastern Catholics have their own patriarchs who are appointed by the Latin Pope and are subject to the Latin Pope. If it were possible, an Eastern Catholic pope would greatly strain Orthodox-Catholic relations. 

The Pope is not required to be of the Latin Rite/Church (regretably) and EC/OC patriarchs are not appointed by the Latin Pope. Other than that, you've got it right.

I feel relatively confident in saying that the vast majority of knowledgeable and informed Eastern and Oriental Catholics would want no part of a pope elected from the Eastern or Oriental hierarchies.

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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2013, 09:56:12 AM »
To put it mildly, an Easter Catholic Pope would probably have a negative impact on Orthodox-Catholic relations.

Most Orthodox would much prefer a "Latin" Pope over an Eastern Catholic one.

So? A Byzantine Pope would be awesome. An Oriental one is fine too.

I think there are two Byzantine Catholic Cardinals and both would be over 80 years old in a future conclave after 28th February 2013. So there are three possibilities for an Eastern Catholic Pope - the Maronite Patriarch Bechara Boutros al Rahi and the Major Archbishops of the Syro-Malabar and the Syro-Malankara Catholic Churches :)

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2013, 09:59:19 AM »
Maybe the Pope is resigning so he can become Orthodox :)

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2013, 10:10:40 AM »
My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.

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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2013, 10:40:12 AM »
I'm very saddened to hear this.
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2013, 10:41:22 AM »
My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.

There already is a Pope Michael:
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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2013, 11:09:31 AM »
My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.

There already is a Pope Michael:


There's apparently a documentary about Pope Michael that's free for viewing.

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2013, 11:13:39 AM »
My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.

There already is a Pope Michael:


There's apparently a documentary about Pope Michael that's free for viewing.

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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2013, 11:18:42 AM »
My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.

There already is a Pope Michael:


There's apparently a documentary about Pope Michael that's free for viewing.

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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2013, 11:22:30 AM »
Maybe the Pope is resigning so he can become Orthodox :)

He already is orthodox, and doesn't need to resign to become so.  :) :)
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2013, 11:24:08 AM »
the question now becomes, what is his title now, after he offically resigns?

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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2013, 11:33:05 AM »
the question now becomes, what is his title now, after he offically resigns?

At minimum, priest. He may still have the status of bishop, but I'm not sure.

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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2013, 11:35:49 AM »
the question now becomes, what is his title now, after he offically resigns?

At minimum, priest. He may still have the status of bishop, but I'm not sure.
He would still have the dignity of a Bishop at the very least, partly because of the idea that ordination leaves a permant change of nature of a candidate, and that, for normal bishops, their title became "Emetrius Bishop of Buffalo", for example

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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2013, 11:37:02 AM »
No this is not a headline from the Onion. I would like to know more about the candidates and their view of relations with the Orthodox

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/world/europe/pope-benedict-xvi-says-he-will-retire.html?_r=0
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the question now becomes, what is his title now, after he offically resigns?

The Pooped Pope?  :o
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2013, 12:18:21 PM »
Benedict XVI was a great and erudite Pope. I think it's sad he resigns. I hope that an Eastern Catholic cardinal is elected Pope.

I think that is impossible because the Latin Catholic Pope is required to be of the Roman-rite.

There have been a lot of Greek/Syrian Popes.

The Eastern Catholics have their own patriarchs who are appointed by the Latin Pope

Well, no. They're elected by their own synods.
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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2013, 12:18:34 PM »
My hope is that, whomever is selected as the new Pope, he picks a good name like Michael, and not one that's hard to spell.

There already is a Pope Michael:


There's apparently a documentary about Pope Michael that's free for viewing.

I know what I'll be watching during my lunch hour.

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Re: The Pope to resign?!?! / Pope Benedict XVI resigns
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2013, 12:33:20 PM »
Wow this is incredible.

This is, what, the first time a Pope has resigned office in hundreds of years?! I can't imagine that he's just tired of the job, so it leads one to wonder what precipitated this. The Vatican is such a black box politically it's hard to say what's going on, but I fully expect some interesting leaks to be coming our way soon while people position themselves.
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Ive heard some rumours he suffers from severe cancer.
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Ive heard some rumours he suffers from severe cancer.

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