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What does Jacobite refer to in Orthodoxy. This word has been used outside Orthodoxy.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 06:57:20 AM » |
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What does Jacobite refer to in Orthodoxy.
The non-Chalcedonian (miaphysite) Syrian Orthodox Church was named "Jacobite" by the Chalcedonians after Jacob Baradaeus. |
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 08:18:44 AM » |
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What does Jacobite refer to in Orthodoxy. This word has been used outside Orthodoxy.
"Jacobites" can be used to refer to the Syriac Miaphysites or the Miaphysite communion as a whole.The itinerant bishop Jacob Baradaeus gave its name to it. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 11:36:27 AM » |
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Is the Syriac Orthodox Church also called the Jacobite Church?
No. This is a name used by the adversaries of the church who attempt to belittle the church by suggesting that the church was founded by St. Jacob Baradaeus. During the sixth century, the Syriac Orthodox Church endured persecution under the Byzantian Empire because it upheld its faith. It was at this time that Jacob Baradeus emerged on the scene. He journeyed all over the East ordaining priests and deacons thus reviving the church from the brink of extinction. Jacob is considered a great Saint of the Syriac Orthodox Church, but not its founder. Hence, the Church rejects the name Jacobite.
It should however be noted that Syriac Orthodox Christians in Malankara (India) innocently refer to themselves as Jacobites. For several centuries Christians in Malankara were referred to by the term Nazarani. The term Jacobite was introduced into Malankara in the nineteenth century by Anglicans. Christians who remained in the mia-physite Orthodoxy following schisms influenced by the Anglicans adopted the term without realizing its negative connotations. Source: http://sor.cua.edu/FAQ/index.html(Note: In the late 19th century under the influence of Anglican Missionaries two monks initiated what is known as "reformation" in Malankara. They modified the liturgy and dropped all intercession prayers to the Theotokos and the saints as well as stopped praying for the departed; saying it was unnecessary. The followers of this reformation is what is today known as the "Marthoma Syrian Church". Their priests and bishops use very similar vestements and liturgy as the Syriac Orthodox Church; but they are not part of the Oriental Orthodox Communion and instead is part of the Anglican Communion) |
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 11:53:58 AM » |
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St. Jacob Baradeaus, venerated in the Syriac and Syriac-associated Orthodox Churches on July 29th (very close to my birthday), was a bishop consecrated for Edessa, but was also entrusted by the non-Chalcedonian patriarchs and bishops, who were jailed in Constantinople by the emperor Justinian, to travel all over the empire to consecrate clergy on their behalf. So in essence, even though he was bishop of Edessa, he was essentially a crucial "ordainer" for the whole non-Chalcedonian Church. St. Theodosius, Coptic Pope of Alexandria himself entrusted St. Jacob Baradeaus with the task of ordaining bishops and priests in his seat. This was at a time when the non-Chalcedonian clergy were being persecuted and dwindling fast. St. Jacob Baradeaus bravely traveled all over, and have said to have ordained about 8000 clergy in the process, keeping the Oriental Orthodox Church strong, from Persia to Arabia to Asia Minor to Syria to Egypt to islands in the Mediterranean. He also ordained two anti-Chalcedonian patriarchs back to back for Antioch, which later on stuck with the Syrian Church that they would be called "Jacobite" by Chalcedonians, considering from then on, it was this saint who lead the ordination of the patriarchate of Antioch. He was perhaps the most wanted man in the empire for doing this, had considerable authority over the churches, and was able to evade capture throughout his decades of service.
Because of his ordination of a lot of Coptic bishops, the Coptic Church at times were also called Jacobite, although the name is more popularly used for Syriacs.
He left a few letters floating around, although I don't think they're translated. He is said to have also written a liturgy as well.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 04:31:14 PM » |
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Did he consecrate bishops solo, contrary to the canons?
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Not to be flippantly dismissive, but something of such a personal nature as this is best addressed by your priest, not by anonymous yahoos on an Internet discussion forum.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 04:40:32 PM » |
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Did he consecrate bishops solo, contrary to the canons?
No, with two Egyptian bishops. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 06:21:20 PM » |
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Oh, those Jacobites... never mind.  |
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 06:27:00 PM » |
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Oh, those Jacobites... never mind. LOL, it really does complicate google searches! |
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2013, 09:10:42 AM » |
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Oh, those Jacobites... never mind. LOL, it really does complicate google searches! These are the Jacobites I knew about, but saw the word popping up here and there. Thanks to everyone for explaining!  |
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"Let it be understood that those who are not found living as He taught are not Christian- even though they profess with the lips the teaching of Christ." - Justin Martyr ( c.160 )
"we recognize that the war is ultimately spiritual rather than carnal." - Gebre Menfes Kidus
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