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Holocaust, Jew Control?
« on: February 10, 2013, 09:22:27 PM »
I've been talking to some people and saw some videos about how Jews control the media, government, economy, and are trying to destroy any sense of culture in America through these means. One of the ways they try to do this is multiculturalism.

What do you guys think of this? I saw an Orthodox monk on Youtube by the name of Brother Nathanael who makes videos about the topic.

I've also heard that the Holocaust wasn't what we think it is, and that people like Elie Weizel are lying about gas chambers and such. Apparently Hitler sought to remove the Jews, not wipe them out. Though many Jews and others did die while at concentration camps (mostly from starvation and disease, a opposed to murder via gas chambers).
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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2013, 09:41:54 PM »
This thread is almost funny as this thread.

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2013, 09:44:23 PM »
Here is a link to something from the Patriarchal Archons of St.George which is more edifying than the "source" you mentioned.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=dHMaDmwwtPI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdHMaDmwwtPI

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 09:54:11 PM »
I've been talking to some people and saw some videos about how Jews control the media, government, economy, and are trying to destroy any sense of culture in America through these means. One of the ways they try to do this is multiculturalism.

What do you guys think of this? I saw an Orthodox monk on Youtube by the name of Brother Nathanael who makes videos about the topic.

I've also heard that the Holocaust wasn't what we think it is, and that people like Elie Weizel are lying about gas chambers and such. Apparently Hitler sought to remove the Jews, not wipe them out. Though many Jews and others did die while at concentration camps (mostly from starvation and disease, a opposed to murder via gas chambers).

Even nazi-sympathiser and the king of holocaust revisionism, David Irving, has had to amend his positions considerably in recent years due to the overwhelming evidence, although he still maintains that Hitler was unaware of the full extent of the operations.

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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 09:57:20 PM »
Dude, Tristan.
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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2013, 09:58:27 PM »
I misunderstood the question, my badness  

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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2013, 10:10:13 PM »
I've been talking to some people and saw some videos about how Jews control the media, government, economy, and are trying to destroy any sense of culture in America through these means. One of the ways they try to do this is multiculturalism.

What do you guys think of this? I saw an Orthodox monk on Youtube by the name of Brother Nathanael who makes videos about the topic.

I've also heard that the Holocaust wasn't what we think it is, and that people like Elie Weizel are lying about gas chambers and such. Apparently Hitler sought to remove the Jews, not wipe them out. Though many Jews and others did die while at concentration camps (mostly from starvation and disease, a opposed to murder via gas chambers).

Nathanael is not an Orthodox monk He only plays on on You Tube.

The Holocaust did happen. The only people who say it did not are people who have an agenda and twist history for that purpose.

Saying Hitler wanted only to remove the Jews, not wipe them out, ignores a ton of evidence and falls back on Nazi propaganda.

Destroying culture in America? What culture? Yogurt has more culture. Truly, much of the work has already been done to destroy and degrade society has been done by non-Jews.

Also, who are Jews? They can't even settle this satisfactorily in Israel. Are they religious adherents? Members of an ethnic group? Are they self-identified or identified by lineage? The fact that defining who is a Jew is not a settled process and depends on who is doing the defining really breaks down the conspiracy theory, I think. It's like if you say Greek Orthodox Christians rule the world. Who are they? Are they all ethnically Greek? What about Cat Stevens?

You need to change the people you talk to and the videos you watch, really.
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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 10:12:26 PM »
I've been talking to some people and saw some videos about how Jews control the media, government, economy, and are trying to destroy any sense of culture in America through these means. One of the ways they try to do this is multiculturalism.

What do you guys think of this? I saw an Orthodox monk on Youtube by the name of Brother Nathanael who makes videos about the topic.

I've also heard that the Holocaust wasn't what we think it is, and that people like Elie Weizel are lying about gas chambers and such. Apparently Hitler sought to remove the Jews, not wipe them out. Though many Jews and others did die while at concentration camps (mostly from starvation and disease, a opposed to murder via gas chambers).

Even nazi-sympathiser and the king of holocaust revisionism, David Irving, has had to amend his positions considerably in recent years due to the overwhelming evidence, although he still maintains that Hitler was unaware of the full extent of the operations.

In spite of all the evidence to the contrary. Ugh.

It reminds me of an episode of Vicar of Dibley where a man picked to play Herod in the Christmas pageant insisted that Herod's order to kill the children in Bethlehem was simply misheard, and he really said, "kiss the children."
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 10:23:01 PM »
In spite of all the evidence to the contrary. Ugh.

It reminds me of an episode of Vicar of Dibley where a man picked to play Herod in the Christmas pageant insisted that Herod's order to kill the children in Bethlehem was simply misheard, and he really said, "kiss the children."

Indeed, but it can only be good news when even Irving - whose older works are what you'll hear referred to by almost every single holocaust denier - has said quite clearly that you have to be an idiot to deny the holocaust.

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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 10:31:57 PM »
Here is a link to something from the Patriarchal Archons of St.George which is more edifying than the "source" you mentioned.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=dHMaDmwwtPI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdHMaDmwwtPI

The above link did not work for me. This one did:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHMaDmwwtPI

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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2013, 11:19:22 PM »
I've been talking to some people and saw some videos about how Jews control the media, government, economy, and are trying to destroy any sense of culture in America through these means. One of the ways they try to do this is multiculturalism.

What do you guys think of this? I saw an Orthodox monk on Youtube by the name of Brother Nathanael who makes videos about the topic.

I've also heard that the Holocaust wasn't what we think it is, and that people like Elie Weizel are lying about gas chambers and such. Apparently Hitler sought to remove the Jews, not wipe them out. Though many Jews and others did die while at concentration camps (mostly from starvation and disease, a opposed to murder via gas chambers).

I am familiar with some of these ideas. Less so with the holocaust revisionists because I have never been impelled to look much into that aspect. The scope of the holocaust, barring discrepancies of plus or minus 1 million souls, seems a point beyond much dispute. Professor Kevin MacDonald, for instance, has marshalled some fairly impressive evidence, relying on solid historical sources- in many cases derived from Jewish historians and journalists- for the distinctive role of Jewish lobbies and financiers in the Bolshevik revolution, the drastic immigration reforms in the U.S., and the Neo-Conservative takeover of U.S. foreign policy to take but a few examples. So there is some food for thought there, certainly.

The question I find myself asking is: what effect does focusing on such ideas have on my life as a Christian? I have come to the conclusion that many of the people who spend a great deal of time interrogating these matters seem to inflate this into a meta-narrative and wind up engaging exclusively with information that conforms to their orientation. So there is always a danger that it will become an idee fixe. For me, life is simply too short for this sort of pre-occupation taking up much space.

However, if you find you can study these matters in a rational, charitable and disinterested fashion without succumbing to paranoia or hatred of your neighbor or being consumed by a rigid ideology, then more power to you. But as human beings we are easily tempted, so I would urge caution to anyone still struggling to be cleansed of the blameworthy passions in pursuing these questions to any great extent (probably the biggest reason I have had to lay it aside.)  I would honestly advise talking to your priest or spiritual father about it and see whether he approves of you pursuing such areas of study.

By all means avoid the internet as a primary means of gleaning information, especially the videos. Stick to academic histories. The aforementioned Prof. MacDonald's works are frankly too speculative. His facts are hard to dispute but the conclusions are debateable. 'Esau's Tears: Modern Anti-Semitism and the Rise of the Jews' by Professor Albert Lindemann is pretty free of speculation or prejudice, and provides a good overview of the socio-political context of the origins of what we are still struggling with to this day.
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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2013, 11:26:39 PM »
Here is a link to something from the Patriarchal Archons of St.George which is more edifying than the "source" you mentioned.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=dHMaDmwwtPI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdHMaDmwwtPI

The above link did not work for me. This one did:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHMaDmwwtPI

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I was present at the 1999 Archon presentation to Elie Weisel in New York. His address upon accepting the Athenogoras award was powerful and stuck with me over the years. I remember the remarks introducing Mr. Weisel as well as the video produced by the Archons.

The nonsense spewed by the likes of the so-called "brother" aren't worth the bandwidth used to post them and his ramblings are not reflective of real Orthodox teaching. I, for one, as someone related to and a friend of numerous good and faithful Orthodox clergy and monastics, will not acknowledge Kepner with any honorific. Doing so would dishonor those who have earned the use of such titles. A real novice monk would never wear a pectoral cross and engage in the hate filled self aggrandizement found on his postings.

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 11:30:31 PM »
I would hop Weisel didn't speak about "forgiving God" (for His crimes) in the address.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 11:51:30 PM »
I've been talking to some people and saw some videos about how Jews control the media, government, economy, and are trying to destroy any sense of culture in America through these means. One of the ways they try to do this is multiculturalism.

What do you guys think of this? I saw an Orthodox monk on Youtube by the name of Brother Nathanael who makes videos about the topic.

I've also heard that the Holocaust wasn't what we think it is, and that people like Elie Weizel are lying about gas chambers and such. Apparently Hitler sought to remove the Jews, not wipe them out. Though many Jews and others did die while at concentration camps (mostly from starvation and disease, a opposed to murder via gas chambers).

I think you should stop talking to such people.  They are an evil influence.  They are not of God.  The Jews cannot be blamed for anything and everything.  We must look within ourselves.  We are responsible for the world's failings.  Our Lord's exhortation to the Church in Ephesus is needed now more than ever:

“To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: ‘The words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lampstands. “‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name's sake, and you have not grown weary. But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent." (Revelation 2:1-5)
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 05:36:42 AM »
I was correct.

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 05:39:11 AM »
I would hop Weisel didn't speak about "forgiving God" (for His crimes) in the address.

Why not? It was legitimate issue for many Jews. And a sane reaction to the "problem of evil". I'm no Weisel fan, but if you haven't considered whether you ought to forgive God in your life, then you are a true atheist, or have known almost no suffering, or are a true Saint.
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2013, 08:01:23 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2013, 09:28:15 AM »
Can we get Br Nathaniel to sign up on these boards and post?

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2013, 09:36:55 AM »
Can we get Br Nathaniel to sign up on these boards and post?

He was a member here, but he was banned a few years ago after posting a handful of times. A wise decision, IMHO.

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2013, 09:43:20 AM »
I have his phone number :p
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2013, 10:02:38 AM »
Can we get Br Nathaniel to sign up on these boards and post?

Or find our lost friend, sdcheung.

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 01:17:21 PM »
I read the four posts which got him banned. I suspect that it would take fewer than that should  he somehow rejoin and post his latest obsessions.

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2013, 02:41:21 PM »
I have never thought of the Holocaust as a form of Jew Control, but I guess one could make that connection.
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2013, 03:23:59 PM »
Can we get Br Nathaniel to sign up on these boards and post?

He was a member here, but he was banned a few years ago after posting a handful of times. A wise decision, IMHO.

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In second thought, you are right.

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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2013, 04:05:59 PM »
I would hop Weisel didn't speak about "forgiving God" (for His crimes) in the address.

Why not? It was legitimate issue for many Jews. And a sane reaction to the "problem of evil". I'm no Weisel fan, but if you haven't considered whether you ought to forgive God in your life, then you are a true atheist, or have known almost no suffering, or are a true Saint.

One of the sanest, clearest comments of yours that I've read on this board.
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2013, 08:18:15 PM »
I would hop Weisel didn't speak about "forgiving God" (for His crimes) in the address.

Why not? It was legitimate issue for many Jews. And a sane reaction to the "problem of evil". I'm no Weisel fan, but if you haven't considered whether you ought to forgive God in your life, then you are a true atheist, or have known almost no suffering, or are a true Saint.

One of the sanest, clearest comments of yours that I've read on this board.
Really? This clown and Weasel or Wisel or whatever his name is actually would consider whether they should forgive the
Almighty? I don't think I ever seen such a display of vanity and arrogance. But, then again, I don't think these type of  people are true believers.

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2013, 08:51:41 PM »
Can we get Br Nathaniel to sign up on these boards and post?

He was a member here, but he was banned a few years ago after posting a handful of times. A wise decision, IMHO.

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In second thought, you are right.

I had no idea he was associated with Gregory in Colorado. LOL that makes it even funnier.

I think a couple people call him a bishop or archbishop.
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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2013, 09:06:56 PM »
Can we get Br Nathaniel to sign up on these boards and post?

Or find our lost friend, sdcheung.

Wonder where Φοτιος went?
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2013, 09:20:47 PM »
Didn't we just have this thread the other day? If it weren't for these threads, I wouldn't have even known he existed.

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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2013, 10:02:12 PM »
Holocaust Uncovered (1945)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGwjwK9pIM&list=LLaXD6NDxEvClvikwFUDUiAw

I recently acquired the knowledge that I have distant relatives who perished in Bergen-Belsen camp.  After doing copious reading on the Holocaust and this particular camp, I can report that those who hold the opinion the OP expresses are full of crap and aught to have the sense beat into them.

Didn't we already have this thread?  "Brother Nathaniel" is crazy.  And not a monk.  He may call himself one and play dress up, but he's not a monk by any stretch of the imagination.
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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2013, 10:04:13 PM »
Can we get Br Nathaniel to sign up on these boards and post?

He was a member here, but he was banned a few years ago after posting a handful of times. A wise decision, IMHO.

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In second thought, you are right.

I had no idea he was associated with Gregory in Colorado. LOL that makes it even funnier.

I think a couple people call him a bishop or archbishop.

That guy is nearly as nutty as "Bro. Nathaniel."  I love my state, other than the fires, shootings, and schismatic heritics.

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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2013, 10:10:17 PM »
still can't get over the title of this thread.
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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2013, 10:10:32 PM »
I can report that those who hold the opinion the OP expresses are full of crap and aught to have the sense beat into them.

There have been at least a couple philosophers that have recommended something similar to this, but generally in reference to (external-world) skeptics. It may be possible to extrapolate - just kidding. ;)
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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2013, 05:25:30 PM »
Holocaust Uncovered (1945)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGwjwK9pIM&list=LLaXD6NDxEvClvikwFUDUiAw

I recently acquired the knowledge that I have distant relatives who perished in Bergen-Belsen camp.  After doing copious reading on the Holocaust and this particular camp, I can report that those who hold the opinion the OP expresses are full of crap and aught to have the sense beat into them.
Didn't we already have this thread?  "Brother Nathaniel" is crazy.  And not a monk.  He may call himself one and play dress up, but he's not a monk by any stretch of the imagination.
So you want to pound someone just for asking a legitimate question? Lighten up tough guy. All you holocaust worshippers crack me up. the minute anyone dares to question anything about that industry, you're willing to just about kill someone over it. That alone proves most of you are paranoid and insecure about all the facts pertained to everything that really happened back then.


And all this talk about Bro Nathaniel is amusing, that guy is smarter and more well read than about 90 percent of this forum, I believe he would slam just about anyone on here in a one on one debate concerning Jewish issues and the Church. That is if he was ever to get half the chance.

I also would like someone  on here to prove without a doubt this man is an illigitmate Orhtodox cleric.
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Re: Holocaust, Jew Control?
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2013, 05:30:54 PM »
Holocaust Uncovered (1945)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGwjwK9pIM&list=LLaXD6NDxEvClvikwFUDUiAw

I recently acquired the knowledge that I have distant relatives who perished in Bergen-Belsen camp.  After doing copious reading on the Holocaust and this particular camp, I can report that those who hold the opinion the OP expresses are full of crap and aught to have the sense beat into them.
Didn't we already have this thread?  "Brother Nathaniel" is crazy.  And not a monk.  He may call himself one and play dress up, but he's not a monk by any stretch of the imagination.
So you want to pound someone just for asking a legitimate question? Lighten up tough guy. All you holocaust worshippers crack me up. the minute anyone dares to question anything about that industry, you're willing to just about kill someone over it. That alone proves most of you are paranoid and insecure about all the facts pertained to everything that really happened back then.

No, I'm being humorous.  Of course no one should die for an opinion.  You overestimate my feelings just a tad. 

I'm not "paranoid and insecure about facts."  We "Holocaust worshipers" (terribly stupid term) are merely upset because people doubt one of the worst bouts of persecution and execution in European history.  Some of us have familial connections to the victims. 

Would you tell a person of African descent that the oppression of their people never happened or is somehow not as bad as they make it out to be? 

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« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2013, 05:33:21 PM »
After Germany's program of Jew Control in the 1940's, my Grandmother noticed that most of the shops where she lived were owned by Jews.  She once commented "If we killed so many of them, where did all of these come from?"  
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« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2013, 05:35:07 PM »
After Germany's program of Jew Control in the 1940's, my Grandmother noticed that most of the shops where she lived were owned by Jews.  She once commented "If we killed so many of them, where did all of these come from?"  

We'll living NYC would confound someone I guess.
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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2013, 05:38:58 PM »
After Germany's program of Jew Control in the 1940's, my Grandmother noticed that most of the shops where she lived were owned by Jews.  She once commented "If we killed so many of them, where did all of these come from?"  

We'll living NYC would confound someone I guess.

Yeah, but the Americans were not alleged to be having the world's largest Jew-B-Q.
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« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2013, 05:40:46 PM »
After Germany's program of Jew Control in the 1940's, my Grandmother noticed that most of the shops where she lived were owned by Jews.  She once commented "If we killed so many of them, where did all of these come from?"  

A few did manage to survive, much to the chagrin of some people.  Besides, you probably know that not all Jews were in Europe in the 1930's and 1940's.
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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2013, 05:41:59 PM »
After Germany's program of Jew Control in the 1940's, my Grandmother noticed that most of the shops where she lived were owned by Jews.  She once commented "If we killed so many of them, where did all of these come from?"  

A few did manage to survive, much to the chagrin of some people.  Besides, you probably know that not all Jews were in Europe in the 1930's and 1940's.
Exactly.  My grandmother's family moved from Germany to NJ before the wars.

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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2013, 05:42:42 PM »
After Germany's program of Jew Control in the 1940's, my Grandmother noticed that most of the shops where she lived were owned by Jews.  She once commented "If we killed so many of them, where did all of these come from?"  

A few did manage to survive, much to the chagrin of some people.  Besides, you probably know that not all Jews were in Europe in the 1930's and 1940's.

True, of course.  But why would any want to move there so shortly after the war?
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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2013, 05:47:42 PM »
After Germany's program of Jew Control in the 1940's, my Grandmother noticed that most of the shops where she lived were owned by Jews.  She once commented "If we killed so many of them, where did all of these come from?"  

A few did manage to survive, much to the chagrin of some people.  Besides, you probably know that not all Jews were in Europe in the 1930's and 1940's.

True, of course.  But why would any want to move there so shortly after the war?

You'd have to ask them.  I've never figured out why those who survived the Holocaust and stayed there would want to do so.  But then, there is a multitude of things I've never figured out.
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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2013, 05:53:03 PM »
After Germany's program of Jew Control in the 1940's, my Grandmother noticed that most of the shops where she lived were owned by Jews.  She once commented "If we killed so many of them, where did all of these come from?"  

Interesting comment.
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2013, 05:53:44 PM »

You'd have to ask them.  I've never figured out why those who survived the Holocaust and stayed there would want to do so.  But then, there is a multitude of things I've never figured out.

That makes two of us.
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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2013, 06:03:18 PM »
Holocaust Uncovered (1945)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGwjwK9pIM&list=LLaXD6NDxEvClvikwFUDUiAw

I recently acquired the knowledge that I have distant relatives who perished in Bergen-Belsen camp.  After doing copious reading on the Holocaust and this particular camp, I can report that those who hold the opinion the OP expresses are full of crap and aught to have the sense beat into them.
Didn't we already have this thread?  "Brother Nathaniel" is crazy.  And not a monk.  He may call himself one and play dress up, but he's not a monk by any stretch of the imagination.
So you want to pound someone just for asking a legitimate question? Lighten up tough guy. All you holocaust worshippers crack me up. the minute anyone dares to question anything about that industry, you're willing to just about kill someone over it. That alone proves most of you are paranoid and insecure about all the facts pertained to everything that really happened back then.

No, I'm being humorous.  Of course no one should die for an opinion.  You overestimate my feelings just a tad.  

I'm not "paranoid and insecure about facts."  We "Holocaust worshipers" (terribly stupid term) are merely upset because people doubt one of the worst bouts of persecution and execution in European history.
 Some of us have familial connections to the victims.  

Would you tell a person o f African descent that the oppression of their people never happened or is somehow not as bad as they make it out to be?  
I think you nead to read up on your European history a bit, genocide is nothing new on that continent and the Jews certainly don't hold some kind of monopoly of mass murder, just ask any Ukranian or Armenian and many other ethnics about wholesale murder. But the difference there is, you can actually discuss them things with them rationally and not be threatened if there is a disagreement about some incidents or  statistical figures. You question the Jewish holocaust about anything than the party line and it could land you in prison in some places. for some, this has become quite a prosperous and lucrative racket as they have been shaking down entire govts like Germany for many years now and for others it almost qualifies for the status of a religion where even questioning it is on the verge of blasphemy, like I see on here and other forums. It is eery and  almost cult-like.

I'm not even going to get into the the African "persecution" thing, that's a whole other ballgame. But they have their shakedown artists like Sharpton and Jackson as well, always looking to shame people with guilt to make a buck. Gimme a break.

For what it's worth, I've had family in Nazi prison camps as well and lost others fighting in the war but I'm not freaking out about it.
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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2013, 06:23:21 PM »
Do you know, there are maybe ten or twelve million Jewish people total on the planet, and while their numbers may see a modest increase due to the high birth rate among the ultra-Orthodox, in total they would still all have to have about a zillion different jobs at the same time in order to control any industry?

 ???

It's not physically or mathematically possible for these conspiracy theories to be true. There aren't enough hours in the day.

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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2013, 06:45:33 PM »
Do you know, there are maybe ten or twelve million Jewish people total on the planet, and while their numbers may see a modest increase due to the high birth rate among the ultra-Orthodox, in total they would still all have to have about a zillion different jobs at the same time in order to control any industry?

 ???

It's not physically or mathematically possible for these conspiracy theories to be true. There aren't enough hours in the day.

No, they would only need to control a few jobs at the top. 
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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2013, 06:50:06 PM »
Do you know, there are maybe ten or twelve million Jewish people total on the planet, and while their numbers may see a modest increase due to the high birth rate among the ultra-Orthodox, in total they would still all have to have about a zillion different jobs at the same time in order to control any industry?

 ???

It's not physically or mathematically possible for these conspiracy theories to be true. There aren't enough hours in the day.

Control of most industries and the running of most countries, is in the hands of a rather small group of people, so there's nothing physically or mathematically impossible with any of these conspiracy theories. Whether they're true or have any basis in reality is another matter.

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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2013, 08:34:02 PM »
Do you know, there are maybe ten or twelve million Jewish people total on the planet, and while their numbers may see a modest increase due to the high birth rate among the ultra-Orthodox, in total they would still all have to have about a zillion different jobs at the same time in order to control any industry?

 ???

It's not physically or mathematically possible for these conspiracy theories to be true. There aren't enough hours in the day.

Control of most industries and the running of most countries, is in the hands of a rather small group of people, so there's nothing physically or mathematically impossible with any of these conspiracy theories. Whether they're true or have any basis in reality is another matter.
True, this is usually the rule rather than the exception.

 For example, a very small proportion of the Russian population actually belonged to the Communist Party in the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2013, 09:51:16 PM »
What do you guys think of this? I saw an Orthodox monk on Youtube by the name of Brother Nathanael who makes videos about the topic.

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What do you guys think of this? I saw an Orthodox monk on Youtube by the name of Brother Nathanael who makes videos about the topic.



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« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2013, 03:41:05 AM »
I really like the jewish writer Norman Finkelstein who in many ways carries on the tradition of Palestinain writer Edward Said. 
I have books by both writers.

Norman Finkelstein's reply amidst an excited crowd to a young girl who accused him of disrespecting the jewish holocaust.   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tupJRSi7M

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« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2013, 07:29:43 AM »
I really like the jewish writer Norman Finkelstein who in many ways carries on the tradition of Palestinain writer Edward Said. 
I have books by both writers.

Norman Finkelstein's reply amidst an excited crowd to a young girl who accused him of disrespecting the jewish holocaust.   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tupJRSi7M

What a courageous scholar we have in Finkelstein! We need more like him. Thank you for sharing.
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« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2013, 09:53:32 AM »
Even more concerning than the Jewish control that we currently live under is their overlords,the reptilians who rule us all and keep us in a dream world.  I know this to be true from a highly respected source that you can read about here.  http://www.davidicke.com/

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« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2013, 10:13:02 AM »
Those pesky purple demons, hard at work here this first week of the Great Fast.

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« Reply #56 on: March 23, 2013, 05:23:31 AM »
Those pesky purple demons, hard at work here this first week of the Great Fast.

Lord knows this week has been fraught with difficulty for all of us. This was/ is not the time to engage with this topic. Forgive me.
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« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2013, 07:26:01 AM »
Those pesky purple demons, hard at work here this first week of the Great Fast.

Lord knows this week has been fraught with difficulty for all of us. This was/ is not the time to engage with this topic. Forgive me.

Enough with the piety play. If ain't good this "time" ain't good any time.

And the garbage that is being pushed here ain't.
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« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2013, 07:51:34 AM »
Those pesky purple demons, hard at work here this first week of the Great Fast.

Lord knows this week has been fraught with difficulty for all of us. This was/ is not the time to engage with this topic. Forgive me.

Enough with the piety play. If ain't good this "time" ain't good any time.

And the garbage that is being pushed here ain't.

In this case, it was not a 'piety play' that motivated my post. Rather, deference to the fact that the devil is that much more active at this time. So really just self-defense and a concern for other posters.

I agree there is some garbage being pushed here. But one must at least be willing to listen to someone like Finkelstein, contra the prevailing narrative.

Don't tell me you are actually a supporter of the tyrannical state of Israel?

And don't try and tar me with the anti-Semite brush. I count many Jews among my closest friends, so that crap won't fly.
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« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2013, 08:17:20 AM »
Certainly the British soldiers involved in liberating some of those in concentration camps were ordinary men who were shocked by everything they saw, and the incontrovertible evidence was filmed. Of course, it was not just Jews that were so inhumanely confined and killed but others too, including Confessing Christians, Gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah Witnesses and political dissidents. Nor did the German Reich alone commit such atrocities but others including the Croatian nationalists.

Yes, genocide is not new and did not begin or end with the Third Reich, as the Armenians and Rwandans can testify. Of the latter I met one such survivor at City University, London, whose arm had been hacked off.

That there is a political agenda on the part of the followers of the Frankfurt School and their fellow travellers and, using Lenin's apt description, useful fools who push various agenda to undermine the family, faith and other institutions. But to crudely ascribe the responsibility for this to the whole of Jewry seems to me at least simply irrational Jew-hate.

As for the state of Israel and the Palestinians what nest of horrors and complex history lies here. Did the forbears of today's Palestinians grab the land from those Jews who did not go into the Diaspora, only in turn to find themselves generations on in turn brutally torn from that same land. Nor do accounts of present day Ghettoisation of Palestinians by the descendants of Europe's forced Ghettos sit very comfortably.

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« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2013, 01:54:27 PM »
Those pesky purple demons, hard at work here this first week of the Great Fast.

Lord knows this week has been fraught with difficulty for all of us. This was/ is not the time to engage with this topic. Forgive me.

Enough with the piety play. If ain't good this "time" ain't good any time.

And the garbage that is being pushed here ain't.

In this case, it was not a 'piety play' that motivated my post. Rather, deference to the fact that the devil is that much more active at this time. So really just self-defense and a concern for other posters.

I agree there is some garbage being pushed here. But one must at least be willing to listen to someone like Finkelstein, contra the prevailing narrative.

Don't tell me you are actually a supporter of the tyrannical state of Israel?

And don't try and tar me with the anti-Semite brush. I count many Jews among my closest friends, so that crap won't fly.
nvm--more purple demons
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« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2013, 03:41:17 AM »
I have his phone number :p

If this is true then you didn't just happen upon the youtube site of this man saying this.
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