Here is a redacted post of mine from the politics section to make it compliant with the rules of this section (Mods please let me know if I've inadvertently broken a rule here):
Fascism is basically a group of people dedicated to an ideology. That's it. You could even argue it's not that tightly defined. It comes from Mussolini's political group. The Italian word fascio literally had all the associations that group or association has in English or Vereinigung has in German.
And if we are going to take Mussolini's group's point of departure as the definition for fascism, then it would mean anti-communismism. And if you had to paint it into a more specific corner, then yes it means a strong nationalistic regime which tends to support a MIXED economy. Some sectors being purely private, others purely public, others a mixture of cooperation between the public and private sector.
It's this latter economic approach of Italian fascism which gets too much attention, probably because it is what is somewhat different about the movement.
However, I really think fascism was, is, and will be an empty word.
Wonders never cease! I actually find myself in agreement with you ! I would only add, if you (and the mods) will permit me, that one thing that characterizes fascists of any ilk or specific political persuasion, is that they are bullies. In fact, there are some people I've known who think that bullying of a political nature, from any part of the political spectrum, is what defines fascism, in the broadest possible sense.
Wow!!! From "Was Christ really Jewish?" (yes!) to "Was Hitler really gay?" (who cares?), to P O L I T I C S! Eeeeeeeeeeek!! Maybe it's time to separate and move these posts to "Politics"?
Wow much better than anyone could have anticipated !
If you want to use the term Fascist merely as a slur then you can call anyone overly dedicated to something a Fascist.. Got it. It's like when Limbaugh calls Women "Femo-Nazi's" or like the term "Islamo-Fascits" or Diet Fascists.
But if you are talking about specific Fascist Regimes, particularly the Nazi's in Germany then it is possable to analyze the nature of that beast. They were not Leftists, they were funded by Industrialists, they destroyed the Unions etc..
So if you are a Neo-Fascist or Neo Nazi, you are an apologist for Hitler and harken back to the good old days. If you are a Proto-Fascist then you are steering so far to the Right that you may end up with a similar World View as the Nazi's ( blaming the Jews for the ills of the World..etc etc.)
You are essentially correct here, Marc, explaining the difference between elitist fascism and leftist socialism. As a general rule, those fascists are nationalistic supremacists, while leftists follow internationalist ideas about people being equal.
However, Isa is pointing to an interesting and exceptional sub-issue by focusing on the word "National Socialist." Apparently the Nazis really did start out as a nationalist socialist group, headed by a person named Strausser. They focused both on socialist economic ideas and also
on their own nationality. However, Hitler took over with his own far-right ideas, which you correctly describe. Similarly, leftist kibbutzes were developed along a socialist model, yet they were dedicated to one nationality and excluded the country's other main nationality from joining or even working in them. However, in all these kinds of cases of which I am aware the nationalistic aspect has eventually and recognizably won out over those systems' leftwing socialist aspect, confirming that exclusionary nationalism and leftism are contradictory.
To relate this massive tangent back to the main theme, one can point out that in ideology, Jesus, although Jewish by nationality and devoted to his religious heritage, was also a universalist. We would call him an internationalist in modern terms, but he also brought everyone into His own nation of "God's people."Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.