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« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2013, 10:03:23 PM »

But going back to more examples, if I went to India and spoke English there I think it would be OK.

English is one of twenty-two or so official languages of the Republic of India. 
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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2013, 10:05:26 PM »

I have heard a dialect spoken in a Pennsylvanian cathedral oh 7 yrs ago that neither I or the guy from Ukraine (western) could understand. Lots of the Slovak descendants here woukd speak to me in a language that sounded like.slovak meshed with sort of Ukrainian.  Most of that generation is gone now. They were fabulous people.

You likely heard the "Hutoratci"(sic) dialect spoken by Rusyns living in Saris and Zemplin counties, including the region's around the cities of Bardejev and Presov. You are right, they speak a heavily Slovak influenced Rusyn. Among themselves, the Transcarpathian Rusyns refered to the residents of the Slovak counties as "Slovaci". Transcarpathian Rusyn is clearly understood by Ukrainian speakers. Written Rusyn would be standardized though and could be read by Ukrainian speakers. It makes sense as one moves east from central Slovakia into Ukraine proper. The same occurs the further east you go as Russian influences color the Ukrainian spoken close to the Russian border.
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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2013, 10:22:22 PM »


It was rarely a problem for me in a personal way in the course of a month in Kiev and visiting a few places outside of it.

The main thing was my landlady and a similar person who was supervising me, and the bus situation. In another example I was at the Pechersk Lavra and I asked a random visitor for directions in Russian. He asked "Do you speak Ukrainian?" I said "Badly" in Russian. He repeated that to himself slowly and tensely. Then he gave me directions. (weird).
what do you expect??!? them to brighten with joy that you're a guest of ukraine speaking to ukrainians in the langauge of their former occupiers??

if you think you were treated bad try speaking russian to random people in lithuania, latvia, estonia - i hope you know how to fight if you try
Khello Зантрон. When I talk with American Indians I use English, when I talk with Irish I speak English, and when I talk with native people from Mexico I use Spanish. I think people should just understand that speaking a language does not make you offensive.

I am not sure it is right to call Russia the conqueror of Ukraine either, because much of Ukraine, like the Cossack region, developed together with Russia. In fact, some Cossacks were especially loyal to the Tsar. In fact, many OCA people did not have a particularly negative feeling about Russia when they emigrated to America.

But going back to more examples, if I went to India and spoke English there I think it would be OK. And even though Vietnam actually forced out the empires (unlike Ukraine where it was voluntary), I would be OK with speaking English or French and I assume Vietnamese would not have so much of an issue with my language per se.

Regarding Latvia and Estonia, if I had to talk to someone in English and they did not understand me, Yes I would talk in Russian. If I have to go to the bathroom for example I am hardly going to hold it for hours or try to signal to them with my hands what I mean because of nationalist ignorance.



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Today we get along and lift a glass to our ancestors and the "good old days."
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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2013, 11:37:32 PM »

But going back to more examples, if I went to India and spoke English there I think it would be OK.

English is one of twenty-two or so official languages of the Republic of India.  
Yes. And Russian is one official language inside Ukraine, namely for the Crimean Region. It should be OK in their country for people to speak both Ukrainian and Russian.
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« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2013, 12:20:44 AM »

But going back to more examples, if I went to India and spoke English there I think it would be OK.

English is one of twenty-two or so official languages of the Republic of India.  
Yes. And Russian is one official language inside Ukraine, namely for the Crimean Region. It should be OK in their country for people to speak both Ukrainian and Russian.

I know many Ukrainians that can't speak Russian all.
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« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2013, 12:38:38 AM »

I know many Ukrainians that can't speak Russian all.
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« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2013, 12:23:38 PM »

But going back to more examples, if I went to India and spoke English there I think it would be OK.

English is one of twenty-two or so official languages of the Republic of India.  
Yes. And Russian is one official language inside Ukraine, namely for the Crimean Region. It should be OK in their country for people to speak both Ukrainian and Russian.

I know many Ukrainians that can't speak Russian all.

Same in Slovakia. People older than 35 were probably required to learn Russian in school in both countries, but few that I know will admit this - this includes Slovak and Ukrainian people.
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« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2013, 12:27:35 PM »

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The administrator of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate, Metropolitan Antoniy of Boryspil, stated that the Ukrainian language can be used in the services in UOC-MP churches, reported ТSN.
http://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/orthodox/uoc/51223/

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