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« on: February 08, 2013, 04:53:44 AM »

What are your thoughts on the scientific hypothesis of the multiverse/string theory? And what does it mean for Orthodoxy if it is true? Could there really be an alternative universe out there for every possible scenerio imaginable? I have to say, I find the notion that somewhere out there is a universe where I'm a few inches taller and all the girls like me to be quite comforting when I'm down (no pun intended)...
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 04:53:31 AM »

It's an interesting speculation, I'm not sure that it would have any significant impact on Orthodox belief/practice though--no more than, say, aliens visiting us or something.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 05:27:18 AM »

I find the notion that somewhere out there is a universe where I'm a few inches taller and all the girls like me

I can assure you this strains the credibility of even the most speculative of sci-fi.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 03:37:17 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 04:22:10 PM »

I find the notion that somewhere out there is a universe where I'm a few inches taller and all the girls like me

I can assure you this strains the credibility of even the most speculative of sci-fi.

Psst! It's not your altitude. It's your attitude. Been short all my life, never had a problem with the fairer sex (until one or more became "the ex_")  Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 04:38:15 PM »

Maybe one of those universes includes middle earth.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 04:58:10 PM »

Maybe in one universe all the Orthodox Bishops are united under the Pope
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 05:10:00 PM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 05:59:21 PM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?

We've been here before.

Multiverse is fanboi stupidity.

There cannot be more than ONE UNIverse. It's sorta the point of the UNIverse.

And it is non-falsifiable, so who cares. It also ruins sci-fi.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013, 06:00:44 PM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?

We've been here before.

Multiverse is fanboi stupidity.

There cannot be more than ONE UNIverse. It's sorta the point of the UNIverse.

And it is non-falsifiable, so who cares. It also ruins sci-fi.

Not a Michael Moorcock fan?
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 06:04:38 PM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?

We've been here before.

Multiverse is fanboi stupidity.

There cannot be more than ONE UNIverse. It's sorta the point of the UNIverse.

And it is non-falsifiable, so who cares. It also ruins sci-fi.

Not a Michael Moorcock fan?

How can this not go magnificently?

Haven't read his stuff (I almost have read nothing I critique, so that doesn't necessarily get in the way), but I think he mocks Tolkien, so that makes him at least halfway decent.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 06:11:10 PM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?

We've been here before.

Multiverse is fanboi stupidity.

There cannot be more than ONE UNIverse. It's sorta the point of the UNIverse.

And it is non-falsifiable, so who cares. It also ruins sci-fi.

Not a Michael Moorcock fan?

How can this not go magnificently?

Haven't read his stuff (I almost have read nothing I critique, so that doesn't necessarily get in the way), but I think he mocks Tolkien, so that makes him at least halfway decent.

He has a fun article called "Starship Stormtroopers" which can be read here. I disagree with a great deal of what he says, but his skewering of right-wing sci-fi and fantasy is very enjoyable.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 06:13:35 PM »

I'm a Lovecraft fan, but I love his quote about Lovecraft:

"Lovecraft appeals to us primarily when we are ourselves feeling morbid. Apart from his offensively awful writing and a resultant inability to describe his horrors (leaving us to do the work -- the secret of his success: we're all better writers than he is!) he is rarely as frightening, by implication, as most of the other highly popular writers whose concerns are not with "meeping Things" but with idealised versions of society. "
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 06:14:05 PM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?

We've been here before.

Multiverse is fanboi stupidity.

There cannot be more than ONE UNIverse. It's sorta the point of the UNIverse.

And it is non-falsifiable, so who cares. It also ruins sci-fi.

Not a Michael Moorcock fan?

How can this not go magnificently?

Haven't read his stuff (I almost have read nothing I critique, so that doesn't necessarily get in the way), but I think he mocks Tolkien, so that makes him at least halfway decent.

He has a fun article called "Starship Stormtroopers" which can be read here. I disagree with a great deal of what he says, but his skewering of right-wing sci-fi and fantasy is very enjoyable.

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 06:14:29 PM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?

We've been here before.

Multiverse is fanboi stupidity.

There cannot be more than ONE UNIverse. It's sorta the point of the UNIverse.

And it is non-falsifiable, so who cares. It also ruins sci-fi.

Not a Michael Moorcock fan?

How can this not go magnificently?

Haven't read his stuff (I almost have read nothing I critique, so that doesn't necessarily get in the way), but I think he mocks Tolkien, so that makes him at least halfway decent.

He has a fun article called "Starship Stormtroopers" which can be read here. I disagree with a great deal of what he says, but his skewering of right-wing sci-fi and fantasy is very enjoyable.

I stopped after the first couple sentences. This takes away from my enjoyable memories of the Elric books. Moorcock sounds like a jerk.
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 06:15:50 PM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?

We've been here before.

Multiverse is fanboi stupidity.

There cannot be more than ONE UNIverse. It's sorta the point of the UNIverse.

And it is non-falsifiable, so who cares. It also ruins sci-fi.

I just hate it when I agree with you...grrrrrr.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2013, 06:22:23 PM »

Maybe in one universe all the Orthodox Bishops are united under with the Pope

Sorry, couldn't resist the slight edit.  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2013, 09:45:50 AM »

Isn't a multiverse counter to the Will of God?  How could the universe have multiple varying existence?  Does it mean God's will is every possible possibility?  I thought there is only one truth?

We've been here before.

Multiverse is fanboi stupidity.

There cannot be more than ONE UNIverse. It's sorta the point of the UNIverse.

And it is non-falsifiable, so who cares. It also ruins sci-fi.

Not a Michael Moorcock fan?

How can this not go magnificently?

Haven't read his stuff (I almost have read nothing I critique, so that doesn't necessarily get in the way), but I think he mocks Tolkien, so that makes him at least halfway decent.

He has a fun article called "Starship Stormtroopers" which can be read here. I disagree with a great deal of what he says, but his skewering of right-wing sci-fi and fantasy is very enjoyable.

I stopped after the first couple sentences. This takes away from my enjoyable memories of the Elric books. Moorcock sounds like a jerk.

He goes after a lot of sacred cows and people who do that, no matter how much they're in the right, are sorely tempted to overstate the case. That said I honestly enjoy him at his most jerky moments.

From everything I've read/ heard Moorcock is a really nice guy in person.
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2014, 07:47:52 PM »

" If Linde’s speculations [about the multiverse] are correct, perhaps we should translate the opening words of Genesis not as “In the beginning...,” but “In a beginning, God created heaven and earth.” In fact, this represents a more literal rendering of the original Hebrew: Be-Reshit: “In a beginning.” "

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2014, 08:45:23 PM »

Notice the national geographic maps of the Northern sky and the Southern Sky whatever they could mean. (AT&T U-verse)  Wink
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2014, 09:14:51 PM »

These theories are necessary thrashings for explanation when no sensible explanation will do.

For example, string theory, for all the volumes and volumes of semi-related speculation that fall under that head, amounts at base to little more than a decision to treat mathematical points as measurable space between arbitrary limits ("strings"). Multiverse is not as coherent, and in fact many theories are masquerading under the name (including one published by a Christian philosophy professor at a college I briefly attended), but they all at base grasp after exceptions to universal material laws. Another "theory," or method of conducting mathematics, that is hoary with scientific respect by now and underlies much evolutionary modeling, transfinite numbers, is in nature quite similar.

All these are very titillating, at least to me, as I assume by the ridiculous strenuousness of the exertions with which theorists are willing to try to vault their problems that the problems must be most fascinating. I only wish I had mind and education to assess them.
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2014, 10:47:58 PM »

The multiverse is an ecumenist's dream. Your truth, my truth, some other truth, truths unknown. I mean ecumenist in the flawed, modern sense, not the correct sense.
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2014, 08:44:47 AM »

I can't stand it *crosses self* .... Lord have mercy on me a sinner....

I have to.... absolutely no self control here, please forgive!

String theory:  Job banished, cursed, in essence, removed a day.  If you look at time without thinkin linerally ... what would a missing day do? 

And if ther ARE multi-deminsions and we exist in a multiverse, wouldn't it be the ultimate joke on the evil one?  And if we consider that God is uncreated (and there is ABSOLUTELY no way science can prove an unmaterial, uncreated being by observing, weighing or calculating material ) and the angels are unseen ... and immaterial...then wouldn't it stand to reason that we are already a multiverse?  Or at the very least multidimensional?

If we are a multideminsional multiverse as James describes, on a faith level .... and time is actually broken then the rule of everything being simple and totally making sense in the grand scheme of eternity FITS. 

As redemption becomes not only His death on the Holy Cross, but an ACTIVE redemption.  'I' becomes I Am in the fullest sense...the complete sense with nothing missing.  Like the splinters and shards of a broken mirror reflecting the same many many times over suddenly becoming one (bride) mirror as it was one (bride) from the very beginning.

A multiverse represents a fragmented whole with the beginning of being a universe and the end being a universe.

And inbetween may be every good ... with nothing missing.  And every wrong completely redeemed.

And time - in the way it should be - when we are truly one again IS eternal.  This time is nothing more than a prison of death.  In eternal time there can be no material death.  It can't happen.

But first there has to be an understanding that there is a lot broken and what we perceive as the way things should be or are right...is far far far from it.

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2014, 09:14:43 AM »

I find the concept of String Theory (at least the small bits that I can understand) to be quite fascinating. It is my understanding that it may but doesn't necessarily include a multiverse concept.  I really hope the multiverse is not true; every movie or book I have read that included the concept of a multiverse was stupid and pointless.  Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2014, 09:17:07 AM »

Just because its mathematically possible to throw the materials to build a house into a tornado, and out comes a perfect house, does not mean that it has ever happened, nor ever will.

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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2014, 02:56:06 PM »

Just because its mathematically possible to throw the materials to build a house into a tornado, and out comes a perfect house, does not mean that it has ever happened, nor ever will.

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Yet such things are not mathematically possible, in traditional terms; thus the great use for the transfinite mathematics in some of our advanced probability theory these days.
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