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« on: February 07, 2013, 07:35:46 PM »

If you think Internet chat rooms can get garbled, try to decipher the writings of the proto-Elamites. Oxford University researchers say they are on the verge of figuring out the symbols on clay tablets, which came from what's now Iran.

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This device, part sci-fi, part-DIY, is providing the most detailed and high quality images ever taken of these elusive symbols cut into clay tablets. This is Indiana Jones with software.
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 07:52:26 PM »

I wonder if they have ever found anything later than Proto-Elamite that might help with this translation. It sounds odd to me that a writing system would just disappear with out any trace of borrowings or evolutions into new writing systems (excepting the case where a civilization was obliterated due to some catastrophe). Of course I am no expert so what do I know?
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 08:39:21 PM »

I wonder if they have ever found anything later than Proto-Elamite that might help with this translation. It sounds odd to me that a writing system would just disappear with out any trace of borrowings or evolutions into new writing systems (excepting the case where a civilization was obliterated due to some catastrophe).
happens all the time.

For all the borrowings and evolution of the Etruscan alphabet into Latin, we have little knowledge of it.  And that is in the middle of the Ancient World.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 08:44:29 PM »

I wonder if they have ever found anything later than Proto-Elamite that might help with this translation. It sounds odd to me that a writing system would just disappear with out any trace of borrowings or evolutions into new writing systems (excepting the case where a civilization was obliterated due to some catastrophe).
happens all the time.

For all the borrowings and evolution of the Etruscan alphabet into Latin, we have little knowledge of it.  And that is in the middle of the Ancient World.

I thought there was some knowledge of Etruscan, or I thought I remembered reading something like that a few years back...
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 08:50:08 PM »

Hopefully this will help prove or disprove the link between Elamite and Harappan (Indus Valley Civilization) symbology, and help further discredit the vestiges of Aryan race theory that remain in such fields.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2013, 10:16:48 AM »

I was going to guess that it was related to Cuneiform and it looks like the later Elamite language did in fact adapt the Akkadian cuneiform.   Wikipedia says that Proto-Elamite and Linear Elamite are not related to Cuneiform, a script that has largely been deciphered. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 10:35:33 AM »

Hopefully this will help prove or disprove the link between Elamite and Harappan (Indus Valley Civilization) symbology, and help further discredit the vestiges of Aryan race theory that remain in such fields.

What's the Aryan race theory?
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