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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2013, 04:50:10 PM »
If hesychia sells, then why not? In regards to 'death to the World". They are so corny they are hilarious. Although I doubt they mean that.

It is an actual Orthodox ministry run by the St Herman of Alaska Brotherhood of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
http://deathtotheworld.com/
Aren't they a group of former punk rockers too?

Death to the World was started by monks and nuns from the St Herman of Alaska Monastery in Platina, California, as a medium of evangelism to teens involved in the punk subculture by monastics who were ex-punks. A founding member was Justin Marler who, soon after recording Volume One with seminal doom metal band Sleep in 1991, left for seven years of monastic life while Sleep went on to become metal icons.

Originally, the monastics planned to submit an article about Fr. Seraphim Rose to the magazine Maximum RocknRoll. They later decided to try to place an ad for their monastery, but were only rudely rejected, being told that the magazine "only [ran] ads for music and zines". This inspired them to begin a zine.

The first issue was printed in the December of ’94 featuring a monk holding a skull on cover. The hand-drawn bold letters across the top read “DEATH TO THE WORLD, The Last True Rebellion” and the back cover held the caption: “they hated me without a cause.” ... The first issue, decorated with ancient icons and lives of martyrs inside, was advertised in Maximum RocknRoll and brought letters from all around the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_the_World

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2013, 04:59:08 PM »
I dread the day when the Coptic Orthodox Church becomes hip enough to engage in something that silly. I mean, I guess there are already Pope Shenouda III memorial t-shirts, but at least he isn't presented as a hip, counter-cultural figure.

The trouble with marketing your faith within a narrowly-defined, mostly youth-oriented subculture is that youth generally grow up and leave (and people who aren't youth anymore usually don't respond to such things). I'm glad I just have a closet full of old records gathering dust rather than a closet full of...God stuff.

I would think that Orthodoxy would be the last thing in the world that would need a gimmick or a hook, but what do I know. If the t-shirts get the kids interested, then...good?  :-\

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2013, 05:01:07 PM »
I dread the day when the Coptic Orthodox Church becomes hip enough to engage in something that silly. I mean, I guess there are already Pope Shenouda III memorial t-shirts, but at least he isn't presented as a hip, counter-cultural figure.

The trouble with marketing your faith within a narrowly-defined, mostly youth-oriented subculture is that youth generally grow up and leave (and people who aren't youth anymore usually don't respond to such things). I'm glad I just have a closet full of old records gathering dust rather than a closet full of...God stuff.

I would think that Orthodoxy would be the last thing in the world that would need a gimmick or a hook, but what do I know. If the t-shirts get the kids interested, then...good?  :-\

God knows Jesus didn't use any populist rhetoric and actions to win followers . . . oh wait . . .
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2013, 05:06:58 PM »
Jeremy you don't think Hyperdox Herman shirts would sell?
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2013, 05:08:40 PM »
The new populist Bible?



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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2013, 05:20:40 PM »
There are some Hyperdox Hermans who actually buy this stuff; don't be surprised. Whatever can be marketed on the face of a coffee mug or T-shirt will in fact be marketed on the face of a coffee mug or T-shirt if there is a market of buyers to exploit; in this case, the Hyperdox Herman converts to Orthodoxy. I know because I ordered an Orthodox iPhone case when I first converted, but the order messed up, took my money and I never got the case. It's like delegates from a cosmetic company going into the Amazon on a canoe to sell makeup to natives.
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2013, 05:24:02 PM »
It's like delegates from a cosmetic company going into the Amazon on a canoe to sell makeup to natives.

I actually heard an audio documentary on this story about the Avon woman who did this, like 15 years ago, and I still couldn't understand why someone would have to use a canoe to access amazon.com when reading this.

I thought perhaps canoe was the new mobile device.

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2013, 06:58:11 PM »
I dread the day when the Coptic Orthodox Church becomes hip enough to engage in something that silly. I mean, I guess there are already Pope Shenouda III memorial t-shirts, but at least he isn't presented as a hip, counter-cultural figure.

The trouble with marketing your faith within a narrowly-defined, mostly youth-oriented subculture is that youth generally grow up and leave (and people who aren't youth anymore usually don't respond to such things). I'm glad I just have a closet full of old records gathering dust rather than a closet full of...God stuff.

I would think that Orthodoxy would be the last thing in the world that would need a gimmick or a hook, but what do I know. If the t-shirts get the kids interested, then...good?  :-\

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2013, 07:44:56 PM »
If hesychia sells, then why not? In regards to 'death to the World". They are so corny they are hilarious. Although I doubt they mean that.

It is an actual Orthodox ministry run by the St Herman of Alaska Brotherhood of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
http://deathtotheworld.com/
Aren't they a group of former punk rockers too?

Death to the World was started by monks and nuns from the St Herman of Alaska Monastery in Platina, California, as a medium of evangelism to teens involved in the punk subculture by monastics who were ex-punks. A founding member was Justin Marler who, soon after recording Volume One with seminal doom metal band Sleep in 1991, left for seven years of monastic life while Sleep went on to become metal icons.

Originally, the monastics planned to submit an article about Fr. Seraphim Rose to the magazine Maximum RocknRoll. They later decided to try to place an ad for their monastery, but were only rudely rejected, being told that the magazine "only [ran] ads for music and zines". This inspired them to begin a zine.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_the_World
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2013, 08:04:05 PM »
A gimmick is a gimmick.
http://www.holypimoly.com/

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2013, 08:27:33 PM »
I dread the day when the Coptic Orthodox Church becomes hip enough to engage in something that silly. I mean, I guess there are already Pope Shenouda III memorial t-shirts, but at least he isn't presented as a hip, counter-cultural figure.

The trouble with marketing your faith within a narrowly-defined, mostly youth-oriented subculture is that youth generally grow up and leave (and people who aren't youth anymore usually don't respond to such things). I'm glad I just have a closet full of old records gathering dust rather than a closet full of...God stuff.

I would think that Orthodoxy would be the last thing in the world that would need a gimmick or a hook, but what do I know. If the t-shirts get the kids interested, then...good?  :-\

A gimmick is a gimmick.
http://www.holypimoly.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcDomBihevM

Hahaha. Wow. I stand corrected?  ??? Not quite what I had in mind when I wrote "hip" (then again, as song the song asks, what is hip?), but you are indeed right...a gimmick is a gimmick. I guess this is better than that "Bronie" thing, at least.

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2013, 09:57:14 PM »
Has anyone thought maybe he has a russian costume designer?

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2013, 10:05:46 PM »
Has anyone thought maybe he has a russian costume designer?

If the costume designer was in any way Orthodox, he oughta be locked in a room full of babushki. They'd soon sort him out.

The designer is neither Orthodox nor Russian, as far as I've been able to gather.
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2013, 10:34:26 PM »
Has anyone thought maybe he has a russian costume designer?

If the costume designer was in any way Orthodox, he oughta be locked in a room full of babushki. They'd soon sort him out.

The designer is neither Orthodox nor Russian, as far as I've been able to gather.
Maybe he his but just into he overly pious stuff

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2013, 11:20:57 PM »
I dug this up on my hard drive.  I've seen other artists with this type of thing on.  Maybe overly zealous and stuffy Trevor is resurfacing, but this makes me sick.



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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2013, 11:26:03 PM »
Celebrities wearing Orthodox-related gear? Might as well contribute this. ;)


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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2013, 12:17:20 AM »
Celebrities wearing Orthodox-related gear? Might as well contribute this. ;)



Chotki, whether as a rope, or as a bracelet, should never be a "fashion accessory". Ideally, they should be worn under one's clothing, unless one is a monastic or a bishop. Even for them, their prayer ropes are usually looped around their belt, and are barely visible against the black of their robes.
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2013, 12:31:47 AM »
Chotki, whether as a rope, or as a bracelet, should never be a "fashion accessory". Ideally, they should be worn under one's clothing, unless one is a monastic or a bishop. Even for them, their prayer ropes are usually looped around their belt, and are barely visible against the black of their robes.

Then I'm sure you'll enjoy this article on "5 Fun Ways to Use a Chotki."

And apparently 33Knots likes to market chotki as fashion accessories.

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2013, 12:49:43 AM »
Has anyone thought maybe he has a russian costume designer?

If the costume designer was in any way Orthodox, he oughta be locked in a room full of babushki. They'd soon sort him out.

The designer is neither Orthodox nor Russian, as far as I've been able to gather.

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2013, 12:50:44 AM »
Has anyone thought maybe he has a russian costume designer?

If the costume designer was in any way Orthodox, he oughta be locked in a room full of babushki. They'd soon sort him out.

The designer is neither Orthodox nor Russian, as far as I've been able to gather.
Maybe he his but just into he overly pious stuff

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2013, 01:02:52 AM »
You know who also used a chotki?

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2013, 01:19:46 AM »
Anne V. wears a chotki; I find it ironic seeing how she takes erotic photos while wearing one.
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2013, 01:30:26 AM »
Okay, if I were to wear that hoodie, my parents would really become 100% convinced that I went off the deep end and become some weirdo radical extremist due to Orthodoxy.

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2013, 01:34:31 AM »
Okay, if I were to wear that hoodie, my parents would really become 100% convinced that I went off the deep end and become some weirdo radical extremist due to Orthodoxy.

Indeed! You might end up in some psy ward too.
Well atleast he can use a 300 knot chotki all day.
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2013, 02:22:05 AM »
If hesychia sells, then why not? In regards to 'death to the World". They are so corny they are hilarious. Although I doubt they mean that.

It is an actual Orthodox ministry run by the St Herman of Alaska Brotherhood of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
http://deathtotheworld.com/
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2013, 05:39:27 AM »
You know who also used a chotki?



Your point?
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« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2013, 05:44:48 AM »
Is this the new variant of Hyperdox Herman? Schemamonk Lambert?
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2013, 05:52:35 AM »
Has anyone thought maybe he has a russian costume designer?

If the costume designer was in any way Orthodox, he oughta be locked in a room full of babushki. They'd soon sort him out.

The designer is neither Orthodox nor Russian, as far as I've been able to gather.

Babushki with sticks, LBK.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Though a few of the babushki and yiayies I know wouldn't need sticks. Their words and their fearlessness are their weapons. I've seen them reduce six-foot-three galoots to a quivering, teary mess just through their sheer force of moral integrity.
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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2013, 07:29:27 AM »
This thread makes me so happy I literally cannot. I want all the things including Kristen Stewart

And Death to the World is hilarious you gotta admit.
LOL yeah it is. Death to the world but we are gonna steal ideas from the world
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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2013, 09:18:33 AM »
Your point?

That KStew having a chotki isn't as terrible.
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« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2013, 10:55:00 AM »
Okay, if I were to wear that hoodie, my parents would really become 100% convinced that I went off the deep end and become some weirdo radical extremist due to Orthodoxy.

Indeed! You might end up in some psy ward too.
Well atleast he can use a 300 knot chotki all day.
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2013, 01:16:11 PM »
If hesychia sells, then why not? In regards to 'death to the World". They are so corny they are hilarious. Although I doubt they mean that.

It is an actual Orthodox ministry run by the St Herman of Alaska Brotherhood of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
http://deathtotheworld.com/
Not run by them anymore, I don't believe. Not for quite a while. It's currently run by Hipsterdox.

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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2013, 05:48:33 PM »
God knows Jesus didn't use any populist rhetoric and actions to win followers . . . oh wait . . .
Think we could get the "Jesus didn't Tap" guys to produce a "Jesus didn't LARP" shirt?
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2013, 06:21:36 PM »
Anne V. wears a chotki; I find it ironic seeing how she takes erotic photos while wearing one.
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2013, 06:29:14 PM »
Anne V. wears a chotki; I find it ironic seeing how she takes erotic photos while wearing one.
Didn't Madonna start the wearing rosaries as jewlery fad in the 80's?

Yeah, that's not too surprising either. Hispanic gangs wear them in California as a fashion statement as well.
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Re: Adam Lambert (who?) wore an outfit of a schemamonk
« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2013, 07:11:39 PM »
Anne V. wears a chotki; I find it ironic seeing how she takes erotic photos while wearing one.
Didn't Madonna start the wearing rosaries as jewlery fad in the 80's?

Hasn't she put on tallit and tefillin yet?