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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2013, 01:04:46 AM »

All fathers teaching based to run out of earthly care....
Show us, then.

read the Gospel, read the fathers. it all about - run out of wordly care... do you ever listen liturgical pray?

You have not demonstrated that you have read them yourself. You have only been ranting. Are you the only Orthodox Christian in the world?
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« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2013, 01:08:20 AM »


SO...... what way we can KEEP "Garden of Delight" (G2:15) , if we was KICKED OUT OF THERE?Huh - G2:24

When Jesus hung on the cross as the Tree of Life, wasn't man reconciled with the "Garden of Delight?"

Maybe they believe theosis differently in Russia; however, we are still instructed to cultivate the Earth while striving for the "Garden of Delight" (or Paradise).

Shell we respect lucifer as an angel too? he was created as archangel, so shell we dispute fact of his fall just same as РПЦ dispite fakt we not in the "Garden of Delight" any more?Huh

Do you think we're in Paradise?

Russian archbishops are so uneducated Huh?
or they never read the doduments they sign?Huh

Americans say that ignorance is bliss.

some thing extremely ODD going on....

You may pretend no thing wrong take place.... but it is not true.

What do you want to do about this situation?
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« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2013, 01:30:34 AM »


SO...... what way we can KEEP "Garden of Delight" (G2:15) , if we was KICKED OUT OF THERE?Huh - G2:24

When Jesus hung on the cross as the Tree of Life, wasn't man reconciled with the "Garden of Delight?"


you say we live at "Garden of Delight? - it is heresy....

or you just chatting for no reason?
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« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2013, 01:42:45 AM »

"The whole earth is a living icon of the face of God"

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« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2013, 01:51:52 AM »

"The whole earth is a living icon of the face of God"

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Should i stop pee and take poo on icon?



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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2013, 02:07:46 AM »


SO...... what way we can KEEP "Garden of Delight" (G2:15) , if we was KICKED OUT OF THERE?Huh - G2:24

When Jesus hung on the cross as the Tree of Life, wasn't man reconciled with the "Garden of Delight?"


you say we live at "Garden of Delight? - it is heresy....

I didn't say that we lived in the "Garden of Delight."  God forbid Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Life.  Jesus is the Tree of Life.  Maybe you missed that lesson in seminary.

or you just chatting for no reason?

I could make the same accusation towards you.  Your rants have no purpose. 
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2013, 02:15:00 AM »

"The whole earth is a living icon of the face of God"

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Should i [something something] on icon?



That was a painful reply to read. 

The article you quote differentiated the pagan worship of nature from the Orthodox perspective of being frugal, fasting, not buying more than one needs, of, basically, an ascetic approach toward life.   Every Liturgy includes prayers for the earth. 

Did you even the read the article?
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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2013, 02:24:38 AM »

"The whole earth is a living icon of the face of God"

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Should i stop [and desecrate] on icon?

How are you different from Pussy Riot?
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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2013, 05:25:36 AM »


SO...... what way we can KEEP "Garden of Delight" (G2:15) , if we was KICKED OUT OF THERE?Huh - G2:24

When Jesus hung on the cross as the Tree of Life, wasn't man reconciled with the "Garden of Delight?"


you say we live at "Garden of Delight? - it is heresy....



I didn't say that we lived in the "Garden of Delight."  God forbid Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Life.  Jesus is the Tree of Life.  Maybe you missed that lesson in seminary.

or you just chatting for no reason?

I could make the same accusation towards you.  Your rants have no purpose.  

you should now what is topic about.

We not talk about "Tree of Life."
Topic about РПЦ council eco speculation.
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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2013, 05:42:35 AM »

You are making mountains out of molehills.
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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2013, 05:46:50 AM »

"The whole earth is a living icon of the face of God"

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Should i [something something] on icon?



That was a painful reply to read. 

The article you quote differentiated the pagan worship of nature from the Orthodox perspective of being frugal, fasting, not buying more than one needs, of, basically, an ascetic approach toward life.   Every Liturgy includes prayers for the earth. 


You miss use Holly Fr. St. John of Damascus, and now you upset....



1. article you quote not about "fasting" or "ascetic life" .

2. every orthodox struggle own life and battle own battle, and we cant obligate every one take same strangle , but every one carry own weight accordingly. Every one discuss ascetical path with own father.

3. we pray for enemy too. so what? we pary for ungodly government and ungodly country we live at. holly people dare pray for demons....  you misunderstand essence of pray i guess.....










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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2013, 05:51:28 AM »

You are making mountains out of molehills.

РПЦ  council misleads general public about essence and Church and Orthodox value , and you call it molehills.

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« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2013, 05:54:45 AM »

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Prove that she did.
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« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2013, 05:57:21 AM »

You are making mountains out of molehills.

РПЦ  council misleads general public about essence and Church and Orthodox value , and you call it molehills.


Who is misleading?

The russian Patriarchate hasn't denounced Orthodoxy. It has adressed an important issue, something which the Church has always done.
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« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2013, 06:07:27 AM »

"The whole earth is a living icon of the face of God"

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Should i stop [and desecrate] on icon?

How are you different from Pussy Riot?


for start,  pussy is not care about orthodoxy. it was political foreplay against Putin and patriarch actively promote Putin as president.... so basically patriarch compromise orthodoxy and discredit Church.

I do not care how rich patriarh and other side of his personal life, - it his personal issue with his spirutial father.
I also not concern about his relation with KGB and still part of it.

But ... as soon he start twisting orthodox value .... it is time to get up and say "enough" .

Today it effects only "Russian Federation" .... but tomorrow we may wake up and find out we no longer are "orthodox" because "new orthodox" value was set by "council" .


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« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2013, 06:19:29 AM »

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Prove that she did.

key topic :

РПЦ  promote Church obligation to take part in "eco programme" based on fake use of G2:15.

some one make irrelevant reference on Holly Fr. St. John of Damascus regards this issue.
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« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2013, 06:23:43 AM »

You are making mountains out of molehills.

РПЦ  council misleads general public about essence and Church and Orthodox value , and you call it molehills.


Who is misleading?

The russian Patriarchate hasn't denounced Orthodoxy. 

I doubt he even know what is it.
He is politician not pastor.

He speaks like gangster.....




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« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2013, 06:39:03 AM »

It has adressed an important issue, something which the Church has always done.

Sure.... once there was big issue and patriarch solve it well too:
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« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2013, 06:42:57 AM »

It has adressed an important issue, something which the Church has always done.

Sure.... once there was big issue and patriarch solve it well too:
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Man. And you are telling us not to post irrelevant quotes.
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« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2013, 06:49:05 AM »

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!
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It has adressed an important issue, something which the Church has always done.

Sure.... once there was big issue and patriarch solve it well too:
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Man. And you are telling us not to post irrelevant quotes.


Church against global warming - is .... it is just speculation.....  but for you it is important issue i guess.
First it come up with "social concept of РПЦ ", i guess was developed by metropolitan K. who now is patriarch .... now it move to next level.

may be , there are some environmental money for this project .... so where we go....
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« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2013, 07:21:18 AM »

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

I'm trying, but it isn't easy.

I am scandinavian, after all. It's in our nature to fight trolls.
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« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2013, 07:23:06 AM »

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

I'm trying, but it isn't easy.

I am scandinavian, after all. It's in our nature to fight trolls.

Behave.
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« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2013, 07:24:58 AM »

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

I'm trying, but it isn't easy.

I am scandinavian, after all. It's in our nature to fight trolls.

Behave.

Sorry. It wasn't meant that way.
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« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2013, 07:30:49 AM »

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

I'm trying, but it isn't easy.

I am scandinavian, after all. It's in our nature to fight trolls.

Behave.

of course if there are no thing to say it is best way to show off.
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« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2013, 07:36:38 AM »

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

I'm trying, but it isn't easy.

I am scandinavian, after all. It's in our nature to fight trolls.

Behave.

of course if there are no thing to say it is best way to show off.
You're right. I should have considered my words more carefully.

Please forgive.
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« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2013, 08:32:50 AM »

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL!!!

I'm trying, but it isn't easy.

I am scandinavian, after all. It's in our nature to fight trolls.

Behave.

of course if there are no thing to say it is best way to show off.
You're right. I should have considered my words more carefully.

Please forgive.

God may forgive.

Forgive me too. i not mean to abuse you.
just in kind of pain.
I was hoping it would not go as far as "primary social concept of РПЦ " ...

and when i read first paragraf of РПЦ council eco doc.... i just freak out :

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Все человечество несет ответственность за состояние природы — творения Божия. Истощение ресурсов и загрязнение окружающей среды на фоне роста населения планеты с особой остротой ставят вопрос о солидарных усилиях всех народов для сохранения многообразия жизни, о рачительном использовании природных ресурсов и предотвращении экологических катастроф, спровоцированных человеческой деятельностью.

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whole humanity carry responsibility for nature condition - as it is Gods creation. depletion of natural resources and pollution, with overpopulation of planet, raise issue about consolidation of all nations for preservation of multiple form of life ...... 

- depletion of natural resources
- overpopulation
it is what really bishop should be concern about?Huh

do not care what to drink or what to eat... or it not for us Jesus told?

РПЦ worry about grow of population? Is not russin federation about to have demographical crisis Huh




 but .... overpopulation concern of РПЦ council just kills me dead....
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« Reply #72 on: February 07, 2013, 08:50:16 AM »

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Forgive me too. i not mean to abuse you.
just in kind of pain.
May the Lord have mercy on us.

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Все человечество несет ответственность за состояние природы — творения Божия. Истощение ресурсов и загрязнение окружающей среды на фоне роста населения планеты с особой остротой ставят вопрос о солидарных усилиях всех народов для сохранения многообразия жизни, о рачительном использовании природных ресурсов и предотвращении экологических катастроф, спровоцированных человеческой деятельностью.

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whole humanity carry responsibility for nature condition - as it is Gods creation. depletion of natural resources and pollution, with overpopulation of planet, raise issue about consolidation of all nations for preservation of multiple form of life ......

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it is what really bishop should be concern about?

do not care what to drink or what to eat... or it not for us Jesus told?

РПЦ worry about grow of population? Is not russin federation about to have demographical crisis

Well, I think, what we need to remember, is that when the Church holds such an influencial role in society, they are bound to comment on a lot of issues, even secular. The consequences of climate change, be it manmade or not, might not affect Russia itself, but a lot of other people around the world suffer, when their lands are destroyed by deforestation, rising seas and air pollution. Some of them are also orthodox christians(not that that gives us more reason to care for them, than for others). Since the church is not just russian, but universal, the bishops should be concerned with the well being of all the world. 
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Well, I think, what we need to remember, is that when the Church holds such an influencial role in society, they are bound to comment on a lot of issues, even secular. The consequences of climate change, be it manmade or not, might not affect Russia itself, but a lot of other people around the world suffer, when their lands are destroyed by deforestation, rising seas and air pollution. Some of them are also orthodox christians(not that that gives us more reason to care for them, than for others). Since the church is not just russian, but universal, the bishops should be concerned with the well being of all the world. 

Before , mid east (Israel etc) have lions, crocs, bear etc... not any more... shell we accuse of anciant people for mammoth extintion too??? . well every on know well earth would die. it is fact.

Church need to deliver messege about real life. not speculate on mythological eco programmes...
Russia so wealth because pumpping oil and gas, sale food etc.
almost 300 bishops flight fist class to council every year... they meet in golden rooms and eat not bread and even not Mcdonalds.... to feed the 1 bishop cost fortune... and what about 300....

it would be imposible if Russia do not sale gas and oil.... any oil price drop - is catastrophe for Russia as it main resource.



So , all this eco programmes in russia would die as soon as oil stops pumping .... but Church documentation would be still real..... all this fake eco declaration is recoded and sign by not 1 but just about 300 orthodox bishops...






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« Reply #74 on: February 07, 2013, 09:29:53 AM »

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Before , mid east (Israel etc) have lions, crocs, bear etc... not any more... shell we accuse of anciant people for mammoth extintion too??? . well every on know well earth would die. it is fact.
there's so much more to it than just global warming. many people are losing their home and livelihood, because of deforestation, in the pacific, many people have to flea their homes, because the ocean is flooding the island. It creates migration, some of them might seekto Russia. many animals are driven away from their homes and several species are close to extinction.

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Russia so wealth because pumpping oil and gas, sale food etc.
almost 300 bishops flight fist class to council every year... they meet in golden rooms and eat not bread and even not Mcdonalds.... to feed the 1 bishop cost fortune... and what about 300....

it would be imposible if Russia do not sale gas and oil.... any oil price drop - is catastrophe for Russia as it main resource.
I am not necessarily sayng that Russia should completely get rid of fossil fuels.The time isn't right for that now. My country, for example, has almost no natural resources, so we have found other ways to support ourselves. Russia might not be able to do the same, due it's huge population, but I think, they should at least consider the possibilities. 
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« Reply #76 on: February 07, 2013, 12:38:11 PM »

You are making mountains out of molehills.

РПЦ  council misleads general public about essence and Church and Orthodox value , and you call it molehills.


Who is misleading?

The russian Patriarchate hasn't denounced Orthodoxy. 

I doubt he even know what is it.
He is politician not pastor.

He speaks like gangster.....






And you speak like a deluded sectarian.
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Before , mid east (Israel etc) have lions, crocs, bear etc... not any more... shell we accuse of anciant people for mammoth extintion too??? . well every on know well earth would die. it is fact.
there's so much more to it than just global warming. many people are losing their home and livelihood, because of deforestation, in the pacific, many people have to flea their homes, because the ocean is flooding the island. It creates migration, some of them might seekto Russia. many animals are driven away from their homes and several species are close to extinction.


1. people always migrate. And it have no thing to do with Church.

2. i do not know what islands you talking about, but most islands became populated not so long ago. but it have no thing to do with Church.

3.  species extinction always take place - and it have no thing to do with Church .


Or should we stop to take care about today of out kids and care about tomorrow species extinction, what most time speculation any way.

So when bishops start deviate from primary goals with speculation and fake reference on bible ....  it is not good sign at all...  it is alarming...





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almost 300 bishops flight fist class to council every year... they meet in golden rooms and eat not bread and even not Mcdonalds.... to feed the 1 bishop cost fortune... and what about 300....

it would be imposible if Russia do not sale gas and oil.... any oil price drop - is catastrophe for Russia as it main resource.
I am not necessarily sayng that Russia should completely get rid of fossil fuels.The time isn't right for that now. My country, for example, has almost no natural resources, so we have found other ways to support ourselves. Russia might not be able to do the same, due it's huge population, but I think, they should at least consider the possibilities.  

rememdber , all money from gas and oil mostly stay offshore or detected to  property around the world and other toys.....
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ordinary people get NOTHING.

Ordinary people grow own and eat it, and collect wood to keep warm.




I do not complane about rich people wealth, NO...
I even not worry wealthy people speculation on eco programse....

But when those people start feeding general public with "eco issue speculation" ind link church to it.... it is another story.
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Before , mid east (Israel etc) have lions, crocs, bear etc... not any more... shell we accuse of anciant people for mammoth extintion too??? . well every on know well earth would die. it is fact.
there's so much more to it than just global warming. many people are losing their home and livelihood, because of deforestation, in the pacific, many people have to flea their homes, because the ocean is flooding the island. It creates migration, some of them might seekto Russia. many animals are driven away from their homes and several species are close to extinction.


1. people always migrate. And it have no thing to do with Church.

2. i do not know what islands you talking about, but most islands became populated not so long ago. but it have no thing to do with Church.

3.  species extinction always take place - and it have no thing to do with Church .


Or should we stop to take care about today of out kids and care about tomorrow species extinction, what most time speculation any way.

So when bishops start deviate from primary goals with speculation and fake reference on bible ....  it is not good sign at all...  it is alarming...






We should care about that which is here and now, and right now, people and animals around the world are suffering, because their homes are being destroyed. Christ called us to help the needy, the suffering, and the poor. The Church is only doing right in adressing this.
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« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2013, 07:49:49 PM »

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Before , mid east (Israel etc) have lions, crocs, bear etc... not any more... shell we accuse of anciant people for mammoth extintion too??? . well every on know well earth would die. it is fact.
there's so much more to it than just global warming. many people are losing their home and livelihood, because of deforestation, in the pacific, many people have to flea their homes, because the ocean is flooding the island. It creates migration, some of them might seekto Russia. many animals are driven away from their homes and several species are close to extinction.


1. people always migrate. And it have no thing to do with Church.

2. i do not know what islands you talking about, but most islands became populated not so long ago. but it have no thing to do with Church.

3.  species extinction always take place - and it have no thing to do with Church .


Or should we stop to take care about today of out kids and care about tomorrow species extinction, what most time speculation any way.

So when bishops start deviate from primary goals with speculation and fake reference on bible ....  it is not good sign at all...  it is alarming...






We should care about that which is here and now, and right now, people and animals around the world are suffering, because their homes are being destroyed. Christ called us to help the needy, the suffering, and the poor. The Church is only doing right in adressing this.

Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people? Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it.
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« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2013, 08:00:13 PM »

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Before , mid east (Israel etc) have lions, crocs, bear etc... not any more... shell we accuse of anciant people for mammoth extintion too??? . well every on know well earth would die. it is fact.
there's so much more to it than just global warming. many people are losing their home and livelihood, because of deforestation, in the pacific, many people have to flea their homes, because the ocean is flooding the island. It creates migration, some of them might seekto Russia. many animals are driven away from their homes and several species are close to extinction.


1. people always migrate. And it have no thing to do with Church.

2. i do not know what islands you talking about, but most islands became populated not so long ago. but it have no thing to do with Church.

3.  species extinction always take place - and it have no thing to do with Church .


Or should we stop to take care about today of out kids and care about tomorrow species extinction, what most time speculation any way.

So when bishops start deviate from primary goals with speculation and fake reference on bible ....  it is not good sign at all...  it is alarming...






We should care about that which is here and now, and right now, people and animals around the world are suffering, because their homes are being destroyed. Christ called us to help the needy, the suffering, and the poor. The Church is only doing right in adressing this.

Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people? Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it.


And your point is?
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« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2013, 10:47:59 PM »

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Before , mid east (Israel etc) have lions, crocs, bear etc... not any more... shell we accuse of anciant people for mammoth extintion too??? . well every on know well earth would die. it is fact.
there's so much more to it than just global warming. many people are losing their home and livelihood, because of deforestation, in the pacific, many people have to flea their homes, because the ocean is flooding the island. It creates migration, some of them might seekto Russia. many animals are driven away from their homes and several species are close to extinction.


1. people always migrate. And it have no thing to do with Church.

2. i do not know what islands you talking about, but most islands became populated not so long ago. but it have no thing to do with Church.

3.  species extinction always take place - and it have no thing to do with Church .


Or should we stop to take care about today of out kids and care about tomorrow species extinction, what most time speculation any way.

So when bishops start deviate from primary goals with speculation and fake reference on bible ....  it is not good sign at all...  it is alarming...






We should care about that which is here and now, and right now, people and animals around the world are suffering, because their homes are being destroyed. Christ called us to help the needy, the suffering, and the poor. The Church is only doing right in adressing this.

Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people? Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it.


And your point is?

not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief.

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« Reply #83 on: February 08, 2013, 04:09:34 AM »

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Before , mid east (Israel etc) have lions, crocs, bear etc... not any more... shell we accuse of anciant people for mammoth extintion too??? . well every on know well earth would die. it is fact.
there's so much more to it than just global warming. many people are losing their home and livelihood, because of deforestation, in the pacific, many people have to flea their homes, because the ocean is flooding the island. It creates migration, some of them might seekto Russia. many animals are driven away from their homes and several species are close to extinction.


1. people always migrate. And it have no thing to do with Church.

2. i do not know what islands you talking about, but most islands became populated not so long ago. but it have no thing to do with Church.

3.  species extinction always take place - and it have no thing to do with Church .


Or should we stop to take care about today of out kids and care about tomorrow species extinction, what most time speculation any way.

So when bishops start deviate from primary goals with speculation and fake reference on bible ....  it is not good sign at all...  it is alarming...






We should care about that which is here and now, and right now, people and animals around the world are suffering, because their homes are being destroyed. Christ called us to help the needy, the suffering, and the poor. The Church is only doing right in adressing this.

Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people? Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it.


And your point is?

not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief.



Who is "he"?
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« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2013, 09:41:10 AM »


Who is "he"?

"he" is every one who spaculete on "poor" and "eco programmes" .
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