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This is the first time I've tried to include a picture, so I'm not sure how this is going to work out. I am trying to find out which artist painted this depiction of Christ. I've seen it credited to Kramskoi, but cannot locate it among all his works. I've also seen it credited to El Greco, but it seems far different than his style. 
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 06:48:24 PM » |
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It looks more like a Rembrandt to me. It's his style.
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 06:58:44 PM » |
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Is that at all necessary?
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 07:00:19 PM » |
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Is that at all necessary? Yes it is. I'm tired of the idea that only certain people's opinions are acceptable on this site.
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Cut the hysterics, biro. Nobody here is calling that painting an icon, and I have never denigrated good, reverent religious art in any of my posts here.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 07:07:05 PM » |
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Cut the hysterics, biro. Nobody here is calling that painting an icon, and I have never denigrated good, reverent religious art in any of my posts here. I could point out many threads where you did that at length, but I'm tired, and I want a drink.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 07:14:53 PM » |
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Is that at all necessary? Yes it is. I'm tired of the idea that only certain people's opinions are acceptable on this site. Wow! Truly...is that necessary? This forum is open to everyone, and everyone's "ideas" get equal time. The fact that some people actually know what they are talking about, leads to their opinions being more widely respected and sought after, in their areas of expertise. For icons, I would definitely look to LBK, who actually deals with icons on a daily basis, teaches about them, and publishes materials on them. For dogmatics, Father H, who actually teaches the subject. For maps, ialmisry. For wit, Orthonorm. Etc. Work on developing an area of expertise, and we'll be looking to you for advice, as well. The forum is open to all!!!
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 07:19:09 PM » |
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Is that at all necessary? Yes it is. I'm tired of the idea that only certain people's opinions are acceptable on this site. Wow! Truly...is that necessary? This forum is open to everyone, and everyone's "ideas" get equal time. The fact that some people actually know what they are talking about, leads to their opinions being more widely respected and sought after, in their areas of expertise. For icons, I would definitely look to LBK, who actually deals with icons on a daily basis, teaches about them, and publishes materials on them. For dogmatics, Father H, who actually teaches the subject. For maps, ialmisry. For wit, Orthonorm. Etc. Work on developing an area of expertise, and we'll be looking to you for advice, as well. The forum is open to all!!! No it isn't. For instance, you just contradicted yourself with the last two sentences. I have to be an 'expert' on something before I can talk about it? I'm not allowed to say something unless it is 'advice'? So, only LBK *is* allowed to talk about it. I wasn't wrong, then. 
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 07:23:00 PM » |
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I never said only experts will be heard. I said experts will searched out for their expert advice.
So, instead of whining about being heard....let's hear your opinion of who the painter is of the image in the OP.
I'd like to hear.
I think it looks like Rembrandt. I know it's probably not....but, to me it looks like it.
What's it look like to you?
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Oy, oy, oy. It's nearly Lent already. Time for me to go sit in the giant plastic box from the Container Store.
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Oy, oy, oy. It's nearly Lent already. Time for me to go sit in the giant plastic box from the Container Store.
OK. I'm sure there's a really funny story behind that statement....but, I don't get it.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 07:27:12 PM » |
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This is the first time I've tried to include a picture, so I'm not sure how this is going to work out.
I am trying to find out which artist painted this depiction of Christ. I've seen it credited to Kramskoi, but cannot locate it among all his works. I've also seen it credited to El Greco, but it seems far different than his style. It is apparently Karl Briullov. http://levkas-ikona.ru/internetmagazin?mode=product&product_id=13581603
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Oy, oy, oy. It's nearly Lent already. Time for me to go sit in the giant plastic box from the Container Store.
OK. I'm sure there's a really funny story behind that statement....but, I don't get it. Once upon a time, there was a girl. And she lived in an apartment. And she had to move, so she cleaned up her stuff and put it in boxes. Which made her so tired, she got fed up, and sat in the last big plastic box. And that is why The Container Store is good.
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Oy, oy, oy. It's nearly Lent already. Time for me to go sit in the giant plastic box from the Container Store.
OK. I'm sure there's a really funny story behind that statement....but, I don't get it. Once upon a time, there was a girl. And she lived in an apartment. And she had to move, so she cleaned up her stuff and put it in boxes. Which made her so tired, she got fed up, and sat in the last big plastic box. And that is why The Container Store is good. LOL! 
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This is the first time I've tried to include a picture, so I'm not sure how this is going to work out.
I am trying to find out which artist painted this depiction of Christ. I've seen it credited to Kramskoi, but cannot locate it among all his works. I've also seen it credited to El Greco, but it seems far different than his style. It is apparently Karl Briullov. http://levkas-ikona.ru/internetmagazin?mode=product&product_id=13581603The eyes remind me of another painting....and I simply can't "place" it. I've seen that "face" somewhere before.... I searched for more paintings by Briullov, but, can't find the one I'm thinking of.
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Cut the hysterics, biro. Nobody here is calling that painting an icon, and I have never denigrated good, reverent religious art in any of my posts here. I could point out many threads where you did that at length, but I'm tired, and I want a drink. Evidently you misread my post. It wouldn't be the first time. 
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Wow biro. Seriously.
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It's "Christ Tempted by Satan" by Georg Cornicelius. It was widely reproduced in Christ and the Fine Arts but I understand the original was destroyed. By my recollection Cornicelius was German.
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For other questions of this nature, you also have Google Image at your disposal. You can drag an image into the search bar and locate all similar or identical pictures online. Very helpful in determining names, artists, etc.
For the record, I am not criticizing you for putting it here, just offering a useful tip that may assist you in the future (and offer quicker answers to your questions).
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Is that at all necessary? Yes it is. I'm tired of the idea that only certain people's opinions are acceptable on this site. Wow! Truly...is that necessary? This forum is open to everyone, and everyone's "ideas" get equal time. The fact that some people actually know what they are talking about, leads to their opinions being more widely respected and sought after, in their areas of expertise. For icons, I would definitely look to LBK, who actually deals with icons on a daily basis, teaches about them, and publishes materials on them. For dogmatics, Father H, who actually teaches the subject. For maps, ialmisry. For wit, Orthonorm. Etc. Work on developing an area of expertise, and we'll be looking to you for advice, as well. The forum is open to all!!! No it isn't. For instance, you just contradicted yourself with the last two sentences. I have to be an 'expert' on something before I can talk about it? I'm not allowed to say something unless it is 'advice'? So, only LBK *is* allowed to talk about it. I wasn't wrong, then.  Biro, if you are allowed to have opinions, then others are allowed to have opinions of your opinions, and you are allowed to have opinions of their opinions of your opinions, etc. This is provided that all are following forum rules. Provided the latter, all have an equal voice. Just because all have an equal right to express their opinions within these confines does not mean that all opinions are equal. Certainly you would agree that although all have an equal right to express their opinions, not all have equal opinions, much less do any of us have the right to ask that our opinions be weighed equally with others. We have an equal opportunity to express our opinions (again, within the confines of the rules of the forum), but equally each of us has the right to dismiss the opinions of some, and accept those of others. You have the right to completely dismiss LBK, me, Liza, or anyone. None of us wishes to in any way impede your self-expression on our opinions. But reciprocally, neither should you wish to impede ours, which you are doing by your insistance on pseudo-egalitarianism.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2013, 12:47:24 AM » |
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It's "Christ Tempted by Satan" by Georg Cornicelius. It was widely reproduced in Christ and the Fine Arts but I understand the original was destroyed. By my recollection Cornicelius was German.
Thank you. The painting is a fascinating study with the rework that inserts the halo, and removes satan from the background. I found the complete image, and my first impression is that I prefer the image without satan, but sometimes first impressions are wrong. What a pity to lose this in that evil war.
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For other questions of this nature, you also have Google Image at your disposal. You can drag an image into the search bar and locate all similar or identical pictures online. Very helpful in determining names, artists, etc.
For the record, I am not criticizing you for putting it here, just offering a useful tip that may assist you in the future (and offer quicker answers to your questions).
Thank you for that, I was wondering if it was possible, but didn't know.
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Cue LBK screaming about how people shouldn't show Jesus doing something normal like leaning His head on His hand, 'cause doesn't everybody know you are not allowed to paint non-iconic religious art and they didn't even have the kindness to ask L first?
Is that at all necessary? Yes it is. I'm tired of the idea that only certain people's opinions are acceptable on this site. Wow! Truly...is that necessary? This forum is open to everyone, and everyone's "ideas" get equal time. The fact that some people actually know what they are talking about, leads to their opinions being more widely respected and sought after, in their areas of expertise. For icons, I would definitely look to LBK, who actually deals with icons on a daily basis, teaches about them, and publishes materials on them. For dogmatics, Father H, who actually teaches the subject. For maps, ialmisry. For wit, Orthonorm. And for wisdom, grace, humility, kindness, and artistic contributions- Liza! Etc. Work on developing an area of expertise, and we'll be looking to you for advice, as well. The forum is open to all!!! Edited it for you.^  Selam
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Cut the hysterics, biro. Nobody here is calling that painting an icon, and I have never denigrated good, reverent religious art in any of my posts here. I didn't know you study iconography. Though this is not an icon, do you have a particular insight to this painting? Perhaps you've studied other religious art as well? I would be interested to read some analysis of it. While looking for the artist, I learned of Kramskoi, and saw his painting of Christ in the Desert and some critical analysis with historical and social context. It does not seem to be something useful for prayer, but only an intellectual musing, or attempt to convey the artist's own struggle with Christ, maybe. I have an icon of Christ on my iconostasis that was written by a Russian iconographer, and it is a bit more in the realism class, but is so serene. When I first started praying, I couldn't bear to have a stern looking icon of Christ.
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2013, 01:38:42 AM » |
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Here is the icon I chose for my prayer corner, apparently it is from the Armory school in Moscow, 1670: 
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This is the first time I've tried to include a picture, so I'm not sure how this is going to work out.
I am trying to find out which artist painted this depiction of Christ. I've seen it credited to Kramskoi, but cannot locate it among all his works. I've also seen it credited to El Greco, but it seems far different than his style. It is apparently Karl Briullov. http://levkas-ikona.ru/internetmagazin?mode=product&product_id=13581603Kind of loud in this thread, I heard you though
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2013, 10:31:14 PM » |
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For other questions of this nature, you also have Google Image at your disposal. You can drag an image into the search bar and locate all similar or identical pictures online. Very helpful in determining names, artists, etc.
For the record, I am not criticizing you for putting it here, just offering a useful tip that may assist you in the future (and offer quicker answers to your questions).
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