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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #360 on: May 08, 2013, 10:46:17 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #361 on: May 08, 2013, 10:47:37 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #362 on: May 08, 2013, 10:49:14 AM »
The Apostles did not try to convert people to Judaism. Otherwise St. Paul would never have bothered to rebuke St. Peter to his face, or write all those letters about how to convert the Gentiles.

Neither am I since I am an Orthodox Christian.  I would like to convert Jews to Orthodoxy but from the reception here I think the Messianics are doing a much better job at it...

As if Messianics (sp?) are bringing anyone to Christianity. They bring Christians and others to Judaism.

Rabbinical Jews do not believe Yeshua is Moshiach...Messianics do
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #363 on: May 08, 2013, 10:51:51 AM »
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Of course! But to fully UNDERSTAND them, it is better within the original Jewish context of where they came from.  Orthodoxy came directly from the  Judaism of Yeshua and his messianic Apostles. It is really not a new "religion" but a continuance of it in the correct way...

Why is celebrating the feasts in the manner of their pre-Messianic form be better than celebrating them in their post-Messiah, fulfilled form?  That seems to make no sense to me...

See, you are doing it again! WHEN and WHERE did I EVER say in their "PRE-MESSIANIC" form?????????????
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #364 on: May 08, 2013, 10:52:24 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #365 on: May 08, 2013, 10:52:38 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

Theophany is "extra-biblical"? 
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #366 on: May 08, 2013, 10:53:42 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

Theophany is "extra-biblical"? 

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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #367 on: May 08, 2013, 10:54:01 AM »
The Apostles did not try to convert people to Judaism. Otherwise St. Paul would never have bothered to rebuke St. Peter to his face, or write all those letters about how to convert the Gentiles.

Neither am I since I am an Orthodox Christian.  I would like to convert Jews to Orthodoxy but from the reception here I think the Messianics are doing a much better job at it...

Biro, you have continually tried, whether on purpose or not, to twist my words and meanings and have been a thorn in my side. It is quite obvious you have much to learn and I will continue to pray for you.

I doubt you are really an Orthodox Christian in the sense that you belong to a canonical jurisdiction that is in communion with the others.


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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #368 on: May 08, 2013, 10:56:15 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #369 on: May 08, 2013, 10:56:49 AM »
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Of course! But to fully UNDERSTAND them, it is better within the original Jewish context of where they came from.  Orthodoxy came directly from the  Judaism of Yeshua and his messianic Apostles. It is really not a new "religion" but a continuance of it in the correct way...

Why is celebrating the feasts in the manner of their pre-Messianic form be better than celebrating them in their post-Messiah, fulfilled form?  That seems to make no sense to me...

See, you are doing it again! WHEN and WHERE did I EVER say in their "PRE-MESSIANIC" form?????????????

You're the one who wrote that Orthodox Pentecost and Jewish Shavuot are the same.  >:(
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #370 on: May 08, 2013, 10:57:32 AM »
The Apostles did not try to convert people to Judaism. Otherwise St. Paul would never have bothered to rebuke St. Peter to his face, or write all those letters about how to convert the Gentiles.

Neither am I since I am an Orthodox Christian.  I would like to convert Jews to Orthodoxy but from the reception here I think the Messianics are doing a much better job at it...

As if Messianics (sp?) are bringing anyone to Christianity. They bring Christians and others to Judaism.

Rabbinical Jews do not believe Yeshua is Moshiach...Messianics do

Not really good enough

Arians can say they believe in Jesus. So can Nestorians and Gnostics and Mormons.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #371 on: May 08, 2013, 10:58:05 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #372 on: May 08, 2013, 10:58:18 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

Theophany is "extra-biblical"? 


Extrabiblical meaning it was not commanded to be celebrated. A date was selected and there it is.  
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #373 on: May 08, 2013, 10:59:21 AM »
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Of course! But to fully UNDERSTAND them, it is better within the original Jewish context of where they came from.  Orthodoxy came directly from the  Judaism of Yeshua and his messianic Apostles. It is really not a new "religion" but a continuance of it in the correct way...

Why is celebrating the feasts in the manner of their pre-Messianic form be better than celebrating them in their post-Messiah, fulfilled form?  That seems to make no sense to me...

See, you are doing it again! WHEN and WHERE did I EVER say in their "PRE-MESSIANIC" form?????????????

You're the one who wrote that Orthodox Pentecost and Jewish Shavuot are the same.  >:(

Still straining at that gnat I see...how does that camel taste?
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #374 on: May 08, 2013, 11:01:08 AM »
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Of course! But to fully UNDERSTAND them, it is better within the original Jewish context of where they came from.  Orthodoxy came directly from the  Judaism of Yeshua and his messianic Apostles. It is really not a new "religion" but a continuance of it in the correct way...

Why is celebrating the feasts in the manner of their pre-Messianic form be better than celebrating them in their post-Messiah, fulfilled form?  That seems to make no sense to me...

See, you are doing it again! WHEN and WHERE did I EVER say in their "PRE-MESSIANIC" form?????????????

You're the one who wrote that Orthodox Pentecost and Jewish Shavuot are the same.  >:(

Still straining at that gnat I see...how does that camel taste?

You wrote those words, Yesh, not me. Don't blame me for them.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #375 on: May 08, 2013, 11:04:02 AM »

You wrote: Not really good enough. Arians can say they believe in Jesus. So can Nestorians and Gnostics and Mormons.

We were not discussing that. What was said was that "They bring Christians and others to Judaism."  So do Nestorians and Arians "bring Christians and others to Judaism"???





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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #376 on: May 08, 2013, 11:06:12 AM »
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Of course! But to fully UNDERSTAND them, it is better within the original Jewish context of where they came from.  Orthodoxy came directly from the  Judaism of Yeshua and his messianic Apostles. It is really not a new "religion" but a continuance of it in the correct way...

Why is celebrating the feasts in the manner of their pre-Messianic form be better than celebrating them in their post-Messiah, fulfilled form?  That seems to make no sense to me...

See, you are doing it again! WHEN and WHERE did I EVER say in their "PRE-MESSIANIC" form?????????????

You're the one who wrote that Orthodox Pentecost and Jewish Shavuot are the same.  >:(

Still straining at that gnat I see...how does that camel taste?

You wrote those words, Yesh, not me. Don't blame me for them.

I blame you for twisting something I already explained.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #377 on: May 08, 2013, 11:08:23 AM »
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Of course! But to fully UNDERSTAND them, it is better within the original Jewish context of where they came from.  Orthodoxy came directly from the  Judaism of Yeshua and his messianic Apostles. It is really not a new "religion" but a continuance of it in the correct way...

Why is celebrating the feasts in the manner of their pre-Messianic form be better than celebrating them in their post-Messiah, fulfilled form?  That seems to make no sense to me...

See, you are doing it again! WHEN and WHERE did I EVER say in their "PRE-MESSIANIC" form?????????????

You're the one who wrote that Orthodox Pentecost and Jewish Shavuot are the same.  >:(

Still straining at that gnat I see...how does that camel taste?

You wrote those words, Yesh, not me. Don't blame me for them.

I blame you for twisting something I already explained.

Nonsense, your words in that post are plain as day. It's bad form to blame others for your error.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #378 on: May 08, 2013, 11:08:44 AM »
Let's just jump to the chase.

It appears to me that while you call yourself "Orthodox" you are not a member of any canonical Orthodox Church.

It appears to me that you are a Gentile who wishes to convert Jews ( by somehow mixing the two religions). Yet, there are  at least three Jews who have posted in this thread who are telling you, a Gentile, not to do that. The Orthodox Church and it's faithful are the new Israel and that Judaizing is a heresy.

 
 
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #379 on: May 08, 2013, 11:11:25 AM »

You wrote: Not really good enough. Arians can say they believe in Jesus. So can Nestorians and Gnostics and Mormons.

We were not discussing that. What was said was that "They bring Christians and others to Judaism."  So do Nestorians and Arians "bring Christians and others to Judaism"???







You said Messianic Jews beleive in "Jesus".

I am pointing out that this is incomplete information. Mormon's can make the same claim.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #380 on: May 08, 2013, 11:17:43 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #381 on: May 08, 2013, 11:23:35 AM »
Let's just jump to the chase.

It appears to me that while you call yourself "Orthodox" you are not a member of any canonical Orthodox Church.

It appears to me that you are a Gentile who wishes to convert Jews ( by somehow mixing the two religions). Yet, there are  at least three Jews who have posted in this thread who are telling you, a Gentile, not to do that. The Orthodox Church and it's faithful are the new Israel and that Judaizing is a heresy.
 

I have already told you I AM A MEMBER. Why do I have to always keep repeating myself to you? Cant you read? Do you need glasses?  ::)
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #382 on: May 08, 2013, 11:27:13 AM »

You wrote: Not really good enough. Arians can say they believe in Jesus. So can Nestorians and Gnostics and Mormons.

We were not discussing that. What was said was that "They bring Christians and others to Judaism."  So do Nestorians and Arians "bring Christians and others to Judaism"???



You said Messianic Jews beleive in "Jesus".

I am pointing out that this is incomplete information. Mormon's can make the same claim.

Messianic Jews DO believe in Jesus...true statement.  Rabbinical Jews do not...true statement.
Sure mormans can make the same claim.  Yet you have still to prove that ANY of these "bring Christians and others to JUDAISM"...
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #383 on: May 08, 2013, 11:30:35 AM »
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Of course! But to fully UNDERSTAND them, it is better within the original Jewish context of where they came from.  Orthodoxy came directly from the  Judaism of Yeshua and his messianic Apostles. It is really not a new "religion" but a continuance of it in the correct way...

Why is celebrating the feasts in the manner of their pre-Messianic form be better than celebrating them in their post-Messiah, fulfilled form?  That seems to make no sense to me...

See, you are doing it again! WHEN and WHERE did I EVER say in their "PRE-MESSIANIC" form?????????????

You're the one who wrote that Orthodox Pentecost and Jewish Shavuot are the same.  >:(

Still straining at that gnat I see...how does that camel taste?

You wrote those words, Yesh, not me. Don't blame me for them.

I blame you for twisting something I already explained.

Nonsense, your words in that post are plain as day. It's bad form to blame others for your error.

YOUR error is that you can't comprehend what you read...or you just do not want to. I blame you for twisting something I already explained.
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« Reply #384 on: May 08, 2013, 11:32:16 AM »
The Apostles did not try to convert people to Judaism. Otherwise St. Paul would never have bothered to rebuke St. Peter to his face, or write all those letters about how to convert the Gentiles.

Neither am I since I am an Orthodox Christian.  I would like to convert Jews to Orthodoxy but from the reception here I think the Messianics are doing a much better job at it...

Biro, you have continually tried, whether on purpose or not, to twist my words and meanings and have been a thorn in my side. It is quite obvious you have much to learn and I will continue to pray for you.

I doubt you are really an Orthodox Christian in the sense that you belong to a canonical jurisdiction that is in communion with the others.


Doubt all you want!

Quiz:

I belong to a canonical Orthodox Jurisdiction

Yes/No

I am a Jew by birth

Yes/No

Quiz:
Can you read?

Yes/No
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« Reply #385 on: May 08, 2013, 11:33:39 AM »
The Apostles did not try to convert people to Judaism. Otherwise St. Paul would never have bothered to rebuke St. Peter to his face, or write all those letters about how to convert the Gentiles.

Neither am I since I am an Orthodox Christian.  I would like to convert Jews to Orthodoxy but from the reception here I think the Messianics are doing a much better job at it...

Biro, you have continually tried, whether on purpose or not, to twist my words and meanings and have been a thorn in my side. It is quite obvious you have much to learn and I will continue to pray for you.

I doubt you are really an Orthodox Christian in the sense that you belong to a canonical jurisdiction that is in communion with the others.


Doubt all you want!

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I belong to a canonical Orthodox Jurisdiction

Yes/No

I am a Jew by birth

Yes/No

Quiz:
Can you read?

Yes/No

You're not answering Marc's questions, particularly the second one.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #386 on: May 08, 2013, 11:34:31 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #387 on: May 08, 2013, 11:38:44 AM »
The Apostles did not try to convert people to Judaism. Otherwise St. Paul would never have bothered to rebuke St. Peter to his face, or write all those letters about how to convert the Gentiles.

Neither am I since I am an Orthodox Christian.  I would like to convert Jews to Orthodoxy but from the reception here I think the Messianics are doing a much better job at it...

Biro, you have continually tried, whether on purpose or not, to twist my words and meanings and have been a thorn in my side. It is quite obvious you have much to learn and I will continue to pray for you.

I doubt you are really an Orthodox Christian in the sense that you belong to a canonical jurisdiction that is in communion with the others.


Doubt all you want!

Quiz:

I belong to a canonical Orthodox Jurisdiction

Yes/No

I am a Jew by birth

Yes/No

Quiz:
Can you read?

Yes/No

You're not answering the questions, particularly the second one.


I already have in the past...I think you all just like to argue and like to think of yourselves as some sort of Orthodox elitists.  Just wondering, how many of you are cradle and how many are converts? Doesn't matter...yep, just like it does not matter if I am Jewish by birth  or not.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #388 on: May 08, 2013, 11:41:02 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


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 ::) What do you think?
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #389 on: May 08, 2013, 11:43:42 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


*bump*

Any chance of an answer here?

 ::) What do you think?

It's not a matter of what I think. I'm asking you a question, in plain English.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #390 on: May 08, 2013, 11:47:03 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


*bump*

Any chance of an answer here?

 ::) What do you think?

It's not a matter of what I think. I'm asking you a question, in plain English.

Well I can't say "I AM celebrating" them since they are not being held today...sheeesh!  ::)
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #391 on: May 08, 2013, 11:51:38 AM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


*bump*

Any chance of an answer here?

 ::) What do you think?

It's not a matter of what I think. I'm asking you a question, in plain English.

Well I can't say "I AM celebrating" them since they are not being held today...sheeesh!  ::)

OK, then, let me rephrase the question to avoid semantic games: Do you observe/celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar? What about the feastdays of individual saints? Do you observe them as well?
« Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 11:57:31 AM by LBK »
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #392 on: May 08, 2013, 11:57:51 AM »
Well I can't say "I AM celebrating" them since they are not being held today...sheeesh!  ::)

I'm not as proficient in the English language as others but I suppose that "I celebrate" would be a better way to state it.
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #393 on: May 08, 2013, 12:25:50 PM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


*bump*

Any chance of an answer here?

 ::) What do you think?

It's not a matter of what I think. I'm asking you a question, in plain English.

Well I can't say "I AM celebrating" them since they are not being held today...sheeesh!  ::)

OK, then, let me rephrase the question to avoid semantic games: Do you observe/celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar? What about the feastdays of individual saints? Do you observe them as well?

Yes I have.  Individual Saint's days, not regularly, but not many do...unless it is their own personal Saint's name day.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 12:31:34 PM by Yeshua HaDerekh »
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #394 on: May 08, 2013, 12:37:51 PM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


*bump*

Any chance of an answer here?

 ::) What do you think?

It's not a matter of what I think. I'm asking you a question, in plain English.

Well I can't say "I AM celebrating" them since they are not being held today...sheeesh!  ::)

OK, then, let me rephrase the question to avoid semantic games: Do you observe/celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar? What about the feastdays of individual saints? Do you observe them as well?

Yes I have.  Individual Saint's days, not regularly, but not many do...unless it is their own personal Saint's name day.

Will you celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar in the future?
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #395 on: May 08, 2013, 01:04:03 PM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


*bump*

Any chance of an answer here?

 ::) What do you think?

It's not a matter of what I think. I'm asking you a question, in plain English.

Well I can't say "I AM celebrating" them since they are not being held today...sheeesh!  ::)

OK, then, let me rephrase the question to avoid semantic games: Do you observe/celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar? What about the feastdays of individual saints? Do you observe them as well?

Yes I have.  Individual Saint's days, not regularly, but not many do...unless it is their own personal Saint's name day.

Will you celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar in the future?

Oh come on now...this is getting silly... ::)
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #396 on: May 08, 2013, 01:05:24 PM »
Oh come on now...this is getting silly... ::)

Everybody but you is silly....
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #397 on: May 08, 2013, 01:21:25 PM »
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Oh come on now...this is getting silly... 

It is only silly because your answers are so evasive. If you did not rely so much on twisting words around and just come out with a forthright comprehensive explanation of your beliefs, if they are blessed by your parish, and what holidays you are actually celebrating, it would eliminate the need for silly questions.
 
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #398 on: May 08, 2013, 01:28:04 PM »
Let's just jump to the chase.

It appears to me that while you call yourself "Orthodox" you are not a member of any canonical Orthodox Church.

It appears to me that you are a Gentile who wishes to convert Jews ( by somehow mixing the two religions). Yet, there are  at least three Jews who have posted in this thread who are telling you, a Gentile, not to do that. The Orthodox Church and it's faithful are the new Israel and that Judaizing is a heresy.
 

I have already told you I AM A MEMBER. Why do I have to always keep repeating myself to you? Cant you read? Do you need glasses?  ::)

Because it is not believable that a Priest would allow you to pursue a heresy such as Judaizing.

What Orthodox jurisdiction do you belong to and how have they allowed you to continue in communion considering the idea's you have mentioned here?
« Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 01:29:19 PM by Marc1152 »
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #399 on: May 08, 2013, 01:32:53 PM »
Some comedian used to say he wasn't really a Jew, just a little Jew-ish !   :)

I'm not implying pre100-man is Jewish (as if that were a bad thing), I'm just joking around.

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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #400 on: May 08, 2013, 01:33:11 PM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


*bump*

Any chance of an answer here?

 ::) What do you think?

It's not a matter of what I think. I'm asking you a question, in plain English.

Well I can't say "I AM celebrating" them since they are not being held today...sheeesh!  ::)

OK, then, let me rephrase the question to avoid semantic games: Do you observe/celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar? What about the feastdays of individual saints? Do you observe them as well?

Yes I have.  Individual Saint's days, not regularly, but not many do...unless it is their own personal Saint's name day.

Will you celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar in the future?

Oh come on now...this is getting silly... ::)

Since it took you a lot longer to type that out than a simple Yes or No, I'm going to assume the answer is No.

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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #401 on: May 08, 2013, 01:34:53 PM »
I just mentioned this thread to an Orthodox Jewish co-worker, a Reformed Jewish co-worker, and a Gentile co-worker who is married to an Orthodox Jew.

Every single one of them said the exact same thing and it rhymes with the word, "pole."
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #402 on: May 08, 2013, 01:49:23 PM »
Since this is no longer about what to do with a prayer shawl, I figured one of the Mod's would've stepped long ago.

As would I, especially since the matter is now resolved. However I am just rolling with it, it's not everyday I start a thread that goes past 2 pages (or even one).
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #403 on: May 08, 2013, 02:13:59 PM »
I just mentioned this thread to an Orthodox Jewish co-worker, a Reformed Jewish co-worker, and a Gentile co-worker who is married to an Orthodox Jew.

Every single one of them said the exact same thing and it rhymes with the word, "pole."
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Re: My Mom Gave me a Jewish Prayer Shawl...
« Reply #404 on: May 08, 2013, 02:16:06 PM »
YeshuaHaDerekh, do you observe/celebrate the feasts of Theophany (Baptism of Christ), the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Dormition of the Mother of God, and the Exaltation of the Cross? What is your view of these feasts?

Also, do you venerate icons?

I consider them extra-biblical feasts but yes I have celebrated them. Venerate icons...yes

You speak of these feasts in the past tense. Does this mean you no longer observe or celebrate them? And what is the significance to you of calling them "extra-biblical"?

Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel! Well they ARE extrabiblical. They are traditional feasts made by the Church. Their dates do not correspond to any biblical feasts...that is all I mean. Quit trying to read in your preconceived notions...  ::)

What then of your referring to them in the past tense, as in "I have celebrated them"? Does this mean you no longer do?


*bump*

Any chance of an answer here?

 ::) What do you think?

It's not a matter of what I think. I'm asking you a question, in plain English.

Well I can't say "I AM celebrating" them since they are not being held today...sheeesh!  ::)

OK, then, let me rephrase the question to avoid semantic games: Do you observe/celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar? What about the feastdays of individual saints? Do you observe them as well?

Yes I have.  Individual Saint's days, not regularly, but not many do...unless it is their own personal Saint's name day.

Will you celebrate these feasts on their appointed days according to the Orthodox liturgical calendar in the future?

Oh come on now...this is getting silly... ::)

Since it took you a lot longer to type that out than a simple Yes or No, I'm going to assume the answer is No.


You can ASSume anything you want.
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