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« on: February 04, 2013, 07:38:59 PM »

My mother recently returned from Israel where she saw such sites as the Church of the Nativity, Church of The Holy Sepulchre, and some other interesting things. She brought my wife back a nice cashmere head scarf, and she brought me back and icon of St. George and a Jewish prayer shawl (legitimately kosher) .

I have no clue what to do with the prayer shawl. I'm not going to use it and I don't really want to re-gift it as I don't know many Jewish people, and I don't want to just stick it in the closet... So what do I do?

FYI, my mother is not Orthodox, but I did ask her to see some Orthodox sites for me.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2013, 07:41:47 PM »

See if there's a synagogue in the phone book. Offer to donate it to them.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 07:48:23 PM »

See if there's a synagogue in the phone book. Offer to donate it to them.

Or put it in a case and hang it on your wall.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 07:53:05 PM »

See if there's a synagogue in the phone book. Offer to donate it to them.

I might do this. I would feel a little bad knowing that my mother spent money on a gift for me and I just give it away, but at the same time the prayer shawl would be going somewhere it would be used...
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 08:12:26 PM »

Give it to that Tallitot guy here  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2013, 08:13:53 PM »

Give it to that Tallitot guy here  Grin

That was a thought... give a tallit to Tallitot  Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2013, 08:22:59 PM »

Give it to that Tallitot guy here  Grin

That was a thought... give a tallit to Tallitot  Cheesy
I have icons I can trade for the tallit. btw my screen name is just plural for tallit.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2013, 08:26:46 PM »

Give it to that Tallitot guy here  Grin

That was a thought... give a tallit to Tallitot  Cheesy
I have icons I can trade for the tallit. btw my screen name is just plural for tallit.

I know, kind of the joke I was going for...

PM me with the particulars if you would be willing to take  the tallit.  I have no clue as to how many icons are worth one tallit or vice versa...
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2013, 08:45:53 PM »

I have no clue as to how many icons are worth one tallit or vice versa...
I'd say at least one first edition icon of St. George. Wink
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2013, 08:55:46 PM »

You could hang it over an icon. Tallitot look quite similar to the icon scarves used by Ukrainians.
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2013, 09:12:40 PM »

I have no clue as to how many icons are worth one tallit or vice versa...
I'd say at least one first edition icon of St. George. Wink

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You could hang it over an icon. Tallitot look quite similar to the icon scarves used by Ukrainians.

Another possibility...
I was wondering if I could use it as a cloth for the shelf in my icon corner, or if there were some other purpose I could find for it.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2013, 10:15:26 PM »

See if there's a synagogue in the phone book. Offer to donate it to them.

I might do this. I would feel a little bad knowing that my mother spent money on a gift for me and I just give it away, but at the same time the prayer shawl would be going somewhere it would be used...

You could always drape the prayer shawl over the top and sides of the icon that she gave you.
That will help to keep the dust off the icon.
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2013, 10:23:38 PM »

See if there's a synagogue in the phone book. Offer to donate it to them.

I might do this. I would feel a little bad knowing that my mother spent money on a gift for me and I just give it away, but at the same time the prayer shawl would be going somewhere it would be used...

You could always drape the prayer shawl over the top and sides of the icon that she gave you.
That will help to keep the dust off the icon.

That would be a bit over kill, the icon is quite small...
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2013, 11:54:09 PM »

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You could always drape the prayer shawl over the top and sides of the icon that she gave you.
That will help to keep the dust off the icon.
(A) It could be used to drape a bigger ikon, or it could be used as a "tablecloth" to put similar items on. If it is too big for something, you can fold it.

(B) Don't Ethiopian Christian women wear veils that are like tallit? I think I have seen them. In that case you could mail it to an Ethiopian church.
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 01:35:19 AM »

(B) Don't Ethiopian Christian women wear veils that are like tallit? I think I have seen them. In that case you could mail it to an Ethiopian church.
The Ethiopian women at my parish wear shawls, but they're usually solid while unlike the Google images that come up for "tallit."
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2013, 12:05:33 PM »

I'd suggest either trading it with Tallitot or donating it to a synagogue--either way, someone will get some proper, legitimate, and respectful use out of it.  Doing so is in no way disrespectful to your mother.  If you're concerned about that, perhaps tell her what you plan to do with it and seek her blessing to do so.
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You could always drape the prayer shawl over the top and sides of the icon that she gave you.
That will help to keep the dust off the icon.

(B) Don't Ethiopian Christian women wear veils that are like tallit? I think I have seen them. In that case you could mail it to an Ethiopian church.

Ethiopian Christian men and women wear prayer veils which are different from Jewish talliot. You probably saw an Ethiopian Jew wearing talliot.
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2013, 02:16:44 PM »

Good night!  It was a gift from your mother.  Put it somewhere nice in the house.

It's not like it has demons spilling out of it. 
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2013, 02:23:36 PM »

Good night!  It was a gift from your mother.  Put it somewhere nice in the house.

It's not like it has demons spilling out of it. 

Of course not, its kosher   Tongue

The question then is where to put it in the house. I believe enough people have weighed in that I can comfortably make a decision.
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Just use it. Why go through all that nonsense?
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Good night!  It was a gift from your mother.  Put it somewhere nice in the house.

It's not like it has demons spilling out of it. 

Of course not, its kosher   Tongue

The question then is where to put it in the house. I believe enough people have weighed in that I can comfortably make a decision.
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2013, 10:57:57 AM »

My mother recently returned from Israel where she saw such sites as the Church of the Nativity, Church of The Holy Sepulchre, and some other interesting things. She brought my wife back a nice cashmere head scarf, and she brought me back and icon of St. George and a Jewish prayer shawl (legitimately kosher) .

I have no clue what to do with the prayer shawl. I'm not going to use it and I don't really want to re-gift it as I don't know many Jewish people, and I don't want to just stick it in the closet... So what do I do?

FYI, my mother is not Orthodox, but I did ask her to see some Orthodox sites for me.

Wear it while you pray.  Jesus and all the apostles did! :-)
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Wear it while you pray.  Jesus and all the apostles did! :-)

Yea, Rabbeinu Shaul - a Pharisee - would carefully pack his talit, tzitzit and tfilin on all his trips. In Philippi, when he was thrown in jail with Silas, their chains miraculously fell off so they could put on tfilin. When he was in escorted to Rome in chains, he'd ask the Roman guards to help him put them on for prayer. And after the shipwreck on Malta, an angel recovered them for him from the bottom of the sea! 

(He also wore payot, a shtreimel, and owned about a dozen kippas - he'd use blue ones for the Feasts of Our Lady, a white one for Pesach, a red one for Shavuot/Pentecost, and so on.)

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My mother recently returned from Israel where she saw such sites as the Church of the Nativity, Church of The Holy Sepulchre, and some other interesting things. She brought my wife back a nice cashmere head scarf, and she brought me back and icon of St. George and a Jewish prayer shawl (legitimately kosher) .

I have no clue what to do with the prayer shawl. I'm not going to use it and I don't really want to re-gift it as I don't know many Jewish people, and I don't want to just stick it in the closet... So what do I do?

FYI, my mother is not Orthodox, but I did ask her to see some Orthodox sites for me.

Wear it while you pray.  Jesus and all the apostles did! :-)

Jesus and the Apostles were Jewish. I am not. But I did give it some thought.

A while back when I was still trying to figure a lot of things out I toyed with the idea of Judaism. I didn't want to give up believing in Jesus so I guess I was kind of leaning Messianic (with out realizing that they were there own separate entity/denomination, I just thought they were Jews who accepted Christ). I was really looking for the more traditional Church and Judaism really appealed to me.

When I was in training for the Army I often went to the Jewish services with one of my buddies (who was Jewish) more than I went to Christian services. I really liked the Shabatt services and I gave much thought to going that route. I even picked up a little black yarmulke when I went to those services and a Jewish prayer book (I have since misplaced the yarmulke).

Long story short, I ended up Orthodox Christian instead of Orthodox Jew...

Wear it while you pray.  Jesus and all the apostles did! :-)

Yea, Rabbeinu Shaul - a Pharisee - would carefully pack his talit, tzitzit and tfilin on all his trips. In Philippi, when he was thrown in jail with Silas, their chains miraculously fell off so they could put on tfilin. When he was in escorted to Rome in chains, he'd ask the Roman guards to help him put them on for prayer. And after the shipwreck on Malta, an angel recovered them for him from the bottom of the sea! 

(He also wore payot, a shtreimel, and owned about a dozen kippas - he'd use blue ones for the Feasts of Our Lady, a white one for Pesach, a red one for Shavuot/Pentecost, and so on.)



 Cheesy lol, very nice!
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A red one? Oy vey! It should be green, already!  laugh
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A red one? Oy vey! It should be green, already!  laugh

Right! He can't have been a Papist.  Cheesy
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2013, 06:56:20 PM »

My mother recently returned from Israel where she saw such sites as the Church of the Nativity, Church of The Holy Sepulchre, and some other interesting things. She brought my wife back a nice cashmere head scarf, and she brought me back and icon of St. George and a Jewish prayer shawl (legitimately kosher) .

I have no clue what to do with the prayer shawl. I'm not going to use it and I don't really want to re-gift it as I don't know many Jewish people, and I don't want to just stick it in the closet... So what do I do?

FYI, my mother is not Orthodox, but I did ask her to see some Orthodox sites for me.

Wear it while you pray.  Jesus and all the apostles did! :-)

Jesus and the Apostles were Jewish. I am not. But I did give it some thought.

A while back when I was still trying to figure a lot of things out I toyed with the idea of Judaism. I didn't want to give up believing in Jesus so I guess I was kind of leaning Messianic (with out realizing that they were there own separate entity/denomination, I just thought they were Jews who accepted Christ). I was really looking for the more traditional Church and Judaism really appealed to me.

When I was in training for the Army I often went to the Jewish services with one of my buddies (who was Jewish) more than I went to Christian services. I really liked the Shabatt services and I gave much thought to going that route. I even picked up a little black yarmulke when I went to those services and a Jewish prayer book (I have since misplaced the yarmulke).

Long story short, I ended up Orthodox Christian instead of Orthodox Jew...

Wear it while you pray.  Jesus and all the apostles did! :-)

Yea, Rabbeinu Shaul - a Pharisee - would carefully pack his talit, tzitzit and tfilin on all his trips. In Philippi, when he was thrown in jail with Silas, their chains miraculously fell off so they could put on tfilin. When he was in escorted to Rome in chains, he'd ask the Roman guards to help him put them on for prayer. And after the shipwreck on Malta, an angel recovered them for him from the bottom of the sea! 

(He also wore payot, a shtreimel, and owned about a dozen kippas - he'd use blue ones for the Feasts of Our Lady, a white one for Pesach, a red one for Shavuot/Pentecost, and so on.)



 Cheesy lol, very nice!

You can do both. I celebrate Passover and use a Talit and I am fully Orthodox! You will be surprised how much more you will understand about Orthodoxy through Jewish eyes! 
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You can do both. I celebrate Passover and use a Talit and I am fully Orthodox! You will be surprised how much more you will understand about Orthodoxy through Jewish eyes! 

The only Passover that Orthodox Christians should celebrate is of the Resurrection of the Lord. The shadow of the Law has passed away ...
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A red one? Oy vey! It should be green, already!  laugh

This is actually a good example. Orthodox churches usually decorate in green on Pentecost. This is actually a Jewish tradition on Shavuot.
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You can do both. I celebrate Passover and use a Talit and I am fully Orthodox! You will be surprised how much more you will understand about Orthodoxy through Jewish eyes!  

The only Passover that Orthodox Christians should celebrate is of the Resurrection of the Lord. The shadow of the Law has passed away ...

Yeshua, all the Apostles and ALL of the Eastern churches celebrated Passover. It is FULLY Orthodox. In fact Pascha means Passover...not "easter"...

See how much you do not understand because you have closed eyes and ears! Passover is when Yeshua gave us the command to do this in remembrance of Him.  The Feast of First fruits is when Yeshua rose from the dead 3 days later when our High Priest Yeshua waved the wave sheaf offering for His Father to accept!  
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You can do both. I celebrate Passover and use a Talit and I am fully Orthodox! You will be surprised how much more you will understand about Orthodoxy through Jewish eyes!  

The only Passover that Orthodox Christians should celebrate is of the Resurrection of the Lord. The shadow of the Law has passed away ...

Yeshua, all the Apostles and ALL of the Eastern churches celebrated Passover. It is FULLY Orthodox. In fact Pascha means Passover...not "easter"...

See how much you do not understand because you have closed eyes and ears! Passover is when Yeshua gave us the command to do this in remembrance of Him.  The Feast of First fruits is when Yeshua rose from the dead 3 days later when our High Priest Yeshua waved the wave sheaf offering for His Father to accept!  
Every Orthodox Christian (especially LBK, most likely) knows what Pascha means
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You can do both. I celebrate Passover and use a Talit and I am fully Orthodox! You will be surprised how much more you will understand about Orthodoxy through Jewish eyes!  

The only Passover that Orthodox Christians should celebrate is of the Resurrection of the Lord. The shadow of the Law has passed away ...

Yeshua, all the Apostles and ALL of the Eastern churches celebrated Passover. It is FULLY Orthodox. In fact Pascha means Passover...not "easter"...

See how much you do not understand because you have closed eyes and ears! Passover is when Yeshua gave us the command to do this in remembrance of Him.  The Feast of First fruits is when Yeshua rose from the dead 3 days later when our High Priest Yeshua waved the wave sheaf offering for His Father to accept!  

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You can do both. I celebrate Passover and use a Talit and I am fully Orthodox! You will be surprised how much more you will understand about Orthodoxy through Jewish eyes!  

The only Passover that Orthodox Christians should celebrate is of the Resurrection of the Lord. The shadow of the Law has passed away ...

Yeshua, all the Apostles and ALL of the Eastern churches celebrated Passover. It is FULLY Orthodox. In fact Pascha means Passover...not "easter"...

See how much you do not understand because you have closed eyes and ears! Passover is when Yeshua gave us the command to do this in remembrance of Him.  The Feast of First fruits is when Yeshua rose from the dead 3 days later when our High Priest Yeshua waved the wave sheaf offering for His Father to accept!  

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Not recognizing the separation of Christianity from Judaism is to not recognize the difference between being a Christian and being a Jew.

You are not an Orthodox Jew or an Orthodox Christian. There is no six of one and half dozen of the other.

Sorry. I really doubt St. Paul went about in a European Polish or Hungarian Hasidic hat.

I AM an Orthodox Christian and you have NO authority to claim otherwise! Do you consider Yeshua, all His Apostles as well as all of the early Eastern Churches Orthodox? If yes, then I am too. If no, then it is YOU that are not Orthodox!
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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2013, 07:30:34 PM »

Yeshua, all the Apostles and ALL of the Eastern churches celebrated Passover. It is FULLY Orthodox. In fact Pascha means Passover...not "easter"...

See how much you do not understand because you have closed eyes and ears! Passover is when Yeshua gave us the command to do this in remembrance of Him.  The Feast of First fruits is when Yeshua rose from the dead 3 days later when our High Priest Yeshua waved the wave sheaf offering for His Father to accept!  

Rabbeinu Shaul, zikhrono livrakha, haya omer:

Quote from: Kehillah in Colossae 2:16
Therefore, let no one judge you in eating and in drinking or in respect to a yom tov (yontev) or a rosh chodesh or Shabbos.
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« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2013, 07:38:52 PM »

Rabbeinu Shaul, zikhrono livrakha, haya omer:

Quote from: Kehillah in Colossae 2:16
Therefore, let no one judge you in eating and in drinking or in respect to a yom tov (yontev) or a rosh chodesh or Shabbos.
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then why do they judge me here?Huh?
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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2013, 07:42:59 PM »

Yeshua Ha Derekh, in what sense are you a Jew? Are you from a practicing Jewish family? Did you convert through years of study and the rite of circumcision?

Trying to get a little background here.
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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2013, 07:46:17 PM »

then why do they judge me here?Huh?

Al tishpetu lema'an lo tishafetu - "Judge not, lest ye be judged." (Habesora al-pi Mattay 7:1)
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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2013, 07:47:07 PM »

Yeshua Ha Derekh, in what sense are you a Jew? Are you from a practicing Jewish family? Did you convert through years of study and the rite of circumcision?

Trying to get a little background here.

What does that matter? Are my words not enough for you to judge on? I am Orthodox.
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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2013, 07:47:20 PM »


You can do both. I celebrate Passover and use a Talit and I am fully Orthodox! You will be surprised how much more you will understand about Orthodoxy through Jewish eyes!  

The only Passover that Orthodox Christians should celebrate is of the Resurrection of the Lord. The shadow of the Law has passed away ...

Yeshua, all the Apostles and ALL of the Eastern churches celebrated Passover. It is FULLY Orthodox. In fact Pascha means Passover...not "easter"...

See how much you do not understand because you have closed eyes and ears! Passover is when Yeshua gave us the command to do this in remembrance of Him.  The Feast of First fruits is when Yeshua rose from the dead 3 days later when our High Priest Yeshua waved the wave sheaf offering for His Father to accept!  

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Not recognizing the separation of Christianity from Judaism is to not recognize the difference between being a Christian and being a Jew.

You are not an Orthodox Jew or an Orthodox Christian. There is no six of one and half dozen of the other.

Sorry. I really doubt St. Paul went about in a European Polish or Hungarian Hasidic hat.

I AM an Orthodox Christian and you have NO authority to claim otherwise! Do you consider Yeshua, all His Apostles as well as all of the early Eastern Churches Orthodox? If yes, then I am too. If no, then it is YOU that are not Orthodox!

Christianity is not Judaism. Judaism is not Christianity. If you were baptized Orthodox but you are now in a Christian "messianic Jewish" sect, that is all it is.

St. Paul did not wear a shtreimel. They are 1700s-era European hats. Little late, you see.

Go into any actual Orthodox Jewish synagogue and try this again. See what they say.

You don't even pass the laugh test.

Oh, by the way, are you Alfred Persson? He is the only one who used phrases such as "pre-100 A.D. Orthodox" when he was here. And he was making it up, too. There is no such thing. The Orthodox Church was not founded in 100 A.D. It was founded by Christ on Pentecost.

You can't make yourself Orthodox Christian just by saying so. The Orthodox Church is a recognized physical fact. It is not something you meld by sticking the word "orthodox," meaning traditional or formal, to the word "Christian," meaning "whatever you want."

No dice.
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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2013, 07:48:02 PM »

Yeshua Ha Derekh, in what sense are you a Jew? Are you from a practicing Jewish family? Did you convert through years of study and the rite of circumcision?

Trying to get a little background here.

What does that matter? Are my words not enough for you to judge on? I am Orthodox.
I am not questioning your baptism into Orthodoxy. I'm asking, in what sense are you a Jew? Are you from a practicing Jewish family? Did you convert through years of study and the rite of circumcision?

Trying to get a little background here.
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2013, 07:48:29 PM »

then why do they judge me here?Huh?

Al tishpetu lema'an lo tishafetu - "Judge not, lest ye be judged." (Habesora al-pi Mattay 7:1)

Judging and teaching are 2 different things...
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2013, 07:50:27 PM »

Yeshua Ha Derekh, in what sense are you a Jew? Are you from a practicing Jewish family? Did you convert through years of study and the rite of circumcision?

Trying to get a little background here.

What does that matter? Are my words not enough for you to judge on? I am Orthodox.
I am not questioning your baptism into Orthodoxy. I'm asking, in what sense are you a Jew? Are you from a practicing Jewish family? Did you convert through years of study and the rite of circumcision?

Trying to get a little background here.

I did not convert to anything...
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2013, 07:51:02 PM »

Yeshua Ha Derekh, in what sense are you a Jew? Are you from a practicing Jewish family? Did you convert through years of study and the rite of circumcision?

Trying to get a little background here.

What does that matter? Are my words not enough for you to judge on? I am Orthodox.
I am not questioning your baptism into Orthodoxy. I'm asking, in what sense are you a Jew? Are you from a practicing Jewish family? Did you convert through years of study and the rite of circumcision?

Trying to get a little background here.

I did not convert to anything...
So do you come from a Jewish family?
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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2013, 07:53:30 PM »

I AM an Orthodox Christian and you have NO authority to claim otherwise! Do you consider Yeshua, all His Apostles as well as all of the early Eastern Churches Orthodox? If yes, then I am too. If no, then it is YOU that are not Orthodox!

Why did you pick year 100?  What happened to you that caused you to take this stance?
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