Topic: Heretics invites Russians to Andora

[Velsigne]

Bread has greater conductive resistance, does not amplify radio frequency waves and causes signal attenuation, therefore exceeds the tin foil hat in most applications.   That's based on real science too.

[Velsigne]

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Is that a Liturgy being served on a train in Belgrade?

[Alive]

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.

for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.

That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...

too many do... it is sad.... holly fathers die for us, and now we betray them .....

I remember, at one time, when I was reading the Desert Fathers, I read about one of them (if anyone can remember the name I would be very grateful). While he was on a journey, he spent the night in the ruins of a pagan temple, where demons were still residing. When he started praying, the demons fled in terror. 

some book say it Makarios Great.

but it was RUINS , not actual acting temple.

lot of great orthodox churches build on or even at ex paganic temples. but no one let pagans use them back.  

Te point was not whether it was a ruin or not. The pagan demons were still living in that temple. Now if a group of orthodox faithful are worshipping in a heterodox church building, should it not e possible them to hunt away all evil which resides inside if there is any?

1. need to pray every were, even in toilet, but we do not serve Eucharistic canon there, or any other dirty or satanic place. 
2. it was not acting temple but ruins.
3. demons are every were including in any church.
4. faithful orthodox would not go to satanic temple for liturgy.


you say they was on mission to hunt away evil by invitation of servant evil .... ridicules.

[Ansgar]

1. need to pray every were, even in toilet, but we do not serve Eucharistic canon there, or any other dirty or satanic place. 
2. it was not acting temple but ruins.
3. demons are every were including in any church.
4. faithful orthodox would not go to satanic temple for liturgy.

I think we should just drop this. We will obviously never agree.

you say they was on mission to hunt away evil by invitation of servant evil .... ridicules.

No, I did not say that.

[serb1389]

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Is that a Liturgy being served on a train in Belgrade?

yup!  the priest got permission. 

[Peacemaker]

[Alive]

some book say it Makarios Great.

but it was RUINS , not actual acting temple.

lot of great orthodox churches build on or even at ex paganic temples. but no one let pagans use them back.  

So since we as orthodox consider the Cathelics (for example) as heretics, that would make their temple an ex pagan temple, so all we have to do is douse it with holy water & use it when we want....right?  I mean...that's what you're insinuating...right? 

no, no and no...

1. Not "Catholics", but "Roman heretics". Orthodox are only Catholic Church.
2. There are not needs for faithful to even walk into such facility which used to promote antichrist , and to serve lityrgy there is outrageous. Any such events is spit at Holly Fathers and all confessors faces.

[Peacemaker]

some book say it Makarios Great.

but it was RUINS , not actual acting temple.

lot of great orthodox churches build on or even at ex paganic temples. but no one let pagans use them back.  

So since we as orthodox consider the Cathelics (for example) as heretics, that would make their temple an ex pagan temple, so all we have to do is douse it with holy water & use it when we want....right?  I mean...that's what you're insinuating...right? 

no, no and no...

1. Not "Catholics", but "Roman heretics". Orthodox are only Catholic Church.
2. There are not needs for faithful to even walk into such facility which used to promote antichrist , and to serve lityrgy there is outrageous. Any such events is spit at Holly Fathers and all confessors faces.

[LBK]

2. There are not needs for faithful to even walk into such facility which used to promote antichrist , and to serve lityrgy there is outrageous. Any such events is spit at Holly Fathers and all confessors faces.

What would you do if a Roman Catholic or other non-Orthodox Christian family member or friend of yours were to invite you to their wedding, the baptism, or the confirmation of their child? What would you do if a non-Orthodox loved one died? Would you refuse to go to their funeral?

[Alive]

2. There are not needs for faithful to even walk into such facility which used to promote antichrist , and to serve lityrgy there is outrageous. Any such events is spit at Holly Fathers and all confessors faces.

What would you do if a Roman Catholic or other non-Orthodox Christian family member or friend of yours were to invite you to their wedding, the baptism, or the confirmation of their child? What would you do if a non-Orthodox loved one died? Would you refuse to go to their funeral?

1. Roman - NOT CATHOLIC....

2. there are religious interaction and social. If drive on the road with satanists i do not pray with. All cases you mentioned are unique and my action would be not equally identical at each occasions . but most deferentially i would not take part at any "religion related event".

Any non orthodox are not part of Christ Church but part of church of antichrist. I have no issue to have dialog with such people and basic domestic/work related interaction - but no more then it.

[Shanghaiski]

The Parthenon in Athens started as a pagan temple to the goddess Athena. After Christianity became the official state religion, the Parthenon became a church dedicated to the Mother of God. It was a church for longer than it was a temple.

Alive, you are making issues where no issues are. Cite some authorities claiming that serving Liturgy in a heterodox facility (not communing with the heterodox) is as evil as you claim.

[Shanghaiski]

2. There are not needs for faithful to even walk into such facility which used to promote antichrist , and to serve lityrgy there is outrageous. Any such events is spit at Holly Fathers and all confessors faces.

What would you do if a Roman Catholic or other non-Orthodox Christian family member or friend of yours were to invite you to their wedding, the baptism, or the confirmation of their child? What would you do if a non-Orthodox loved one died? Would you refuse to go to their funeral?

1. Roman - NOT CATHOLIC....

2. there are religious interaction and social. If drive on the road with satanists i do not pray with. All cases you mentioned are unique and my action would be not equally identical at each occasions . but most deferentially i would not take part at any "religion related event".

Any non orthodox are not part of Christ Church but part of church of antichrist. I have no issue to have dialog with such people and basic domestic/work related interaction - but no more then it.

You have not understood, nor have you made sense.

[Alive]

serving Liturgy in a heterodox facility (not communing with the heterodox) is as evil

Of course it is evil to have Eucharistia in satanic tample.  ...sound like you doubt about...

[Shanghaiski]

serving Liturgy in a heterodox facility (not communing with the heterodox) is as evil

Of course it is evil to have Eucharistia in satanic tample.  ...sound like you doubt about...

My doubts are more about your sanity.

[PeterTheAleut]

serving Liturgy in a heterodox facility (not communing with the heterodox) is as evil

Of course it is evil to have Eucharistia in satanic tample.  ...sound like you doubt about...

...your authority to speak on this matter. He asked you to cite sources that support your message. I think that a reasonable request.

[Shanghaiski]

Alive, you keep wanting us to take your word for it. But that is not how things work anywhere. Provide evidence for your opinion from the teachings of the Holy Fathers.

[PeterTheAleut]

serving Liturgy in a heterodox facility (not communing with the heterodox) is as evil

Of course it is evil to have Eucharistia in satanic tample.  ...sound like you doubt about...

My doubts are more about your sanity.

Please be careful how close you come to casting aspersions on one's mental health on this board. Thanks.

[Shanghaiski]

And tell us where St. Mark of Ephesus, St. Gregory Palamas, St. Justin Popovic, St. Nikolai Velimirovic or any other saint calls the churches of the Roman pope "satanic temples" or the Latins "satanists."

[Shanghaiski]

serving Liturgy in a heterodox facility (not communing with the heterodox) is as evil

Of course it is evil to have Eucharistia in satanic tample.  ...sound like you doubt about...

My doubts are more about your sanity.

Please be careful how close you come to casting aspersions on one's mental health on this board. Thanks.

Apologies.

[podkarpatska]

2. There are not needs for faithful to even walk into such facility which used to promote antichrist , and to serve lityrgy there is outrageous. Any such events is spit at Holly Fathers and all confessors faces.

What would you do if a Roman Catholic or other non-Orthodox Christian family member or friend of yours were to invite you to their wedding, the baptism, or the confirmation of their child? What would you do if a non-Orthodox loved one died? Would you refuse to go to their funeral?

1. Roman - NOT CATHOLIC....

2. there are religious interaction and social. If drive on the road with satanists i do not pray with. All cases you mentioned are unique and my action would be not equally identical at each occasions . but most deferentially i would not take part at any "religion related event".

Any non orthodox are not part of Christ Church but part of church of antichrist. I have no issue to have dialog with such people and basic domestic/work related interaction - but no more then it.

For the edification of the rest of us, could you be so kind as to provide some support, be it patristic, catachetical or otherwise for your assertion that "ALL non orthodox are....part of church of antichrist." Your personal opinion or personal beliefs will not be considered responsive.

Thanking you in advance for your specific response.

[LBK]

2. There are not needs for faithful to even walk into such facility which used to promote antichrist , and to serve lityrgy there is outrageous. Any such events is spit at Holly Fathers and all confessors faces.

What would you do if a Roman Catholic or other non-Orthodox Christian family member or friend of yours were to invite you to their wedding, the baptism, or the confirmation of their child? What would you do if a non-Orthodox loved one died? Would you refuse to go to their funeral?

1. Roman - NOT CATHOLIC....

2. there are religious interaction and social. If drive on the road with satanists i do not pray with. All cases you mentioned are unique and my action would be not equally identical at each occasions . but most deferentially i would not take part at any "religion related event".

Any non orthodox are not part of Christ Church but part of church of antichrist. I have no issue to have dialog with such people and basic domestic/work related interaction - but no more then it.

For the edification of the rest of us, could you be so kind as to provide some support, be it patristic, catachetical or otherwise for your assertion that "ALL non orthodox are....part of church of antichrist." Your personal opinion or personal beliefs will not be considered responsive.

Thanking you in advance for your specific response.

Don't hold your breath, Podkarpatska ... 

[Clemente]

Russian priest serve liturgy at roman heretical temple at Andora by invitation of roman heretical bishop Joan Enric Vives i Sicília.



http://www.pravoslavie.ru/news/59218.htm

Sorry serb1389 for the move but this is a news

MK

Well, I do not agree with everything you have said here, but I respect your clarity. Roman Catholicism is replete with error and whilst we should love them, we should also not be afraid to reprove them, lovingly.

Considering that I travel frequently to Andorra, I am encouraged that we have an Orthodox presence there. I do hope they get their own facilities. Just so you know, Serb priests in Spain have shared facilities with Roman priests in the past. Don't go nuclear about it though; eventually, Orthodox communities are getting their own parishes.

A Serbian Orthodox priest in Spain is a dear friend of mine as well.