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« on: February 04, 2013, 07:41:57 AM »

Russian priest serve liturgy at roman heretical temple at Andora by invitation of roman heretical bishop Joan Enric Vives i Sicília.



http://www.pravoslavie.ru/news/59218.htm

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2013, 07:53:03 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 08:06:30 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 08:16:00 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 08:23:25 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2013, 08:32:55 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

it is not accusation , it is declaration.

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2013, 08:38:12 AM »

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2013, 08:41:19 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

it is not accusation , it is declaration.

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 
You said that the priests who celebrated liturgy in a heterodox church did not have awe for God. That is an accusation.
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Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Serbians know well price of heresy....
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2013, 08:53:40 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

it is not accusation , it is declaration.

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 
You said that the priests who celebrated liturgy in a heterodox church did not have awe for God. That is an accusation.

1. not heterodox church but satanic temple.
2. i am not prosecutor to accuse ...

...it is well known matter to not serve liturgy at heretical facility. there are no connection Christ with antichrist.

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2013, 09:01:50 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.
That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2013, 09:08:56 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.
That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...
Well, as far as I know, the word heterodox is used about those denominations that profess the Trinity, but whose theology is not Orthodox.
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2013, 09:10:38 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...


too many do... it is sad.... holly fathers die for us, and now we betray them .....
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Well, as far as I know, the word heterodox is used about those denominations that profess the Trinity, but whose theology is not Orthodox.

heterodox - is satanic innovation to hide reality..... for simple people it is good , it is bad ... and for satanist there are "other" .... 
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2013, 10:27:45 AM »

This is silly.
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2013, 10:39:44 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

it is not accusation , it is declaration.

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 
You said that the priests who celebrated liturgy in a heterodox church did not have awe for God. That is an accusation.

1. not heterodox church but satanic temple.
2. i am not prosecutor to accuse ...

...it is well known matter to not serve liturgy at heretical facility. there are no connection Christ with antichrist.



1. Heterodox means "different belief" opposed to Orthodoxym which means "correct belief". There is nothing wrong with using the term because their faith is different.

2. That's good. Let's keep it at that.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2013, 10:47:37 AM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...


too many do... it is sad.... holly fathers die for us, and now we betray them .....
I remember, at one time, when I was reading the Desert Fathers, I read about one of them (if anyone can remember the name I would be very grateful). While he was on a journey, he spent the night in the ruins of a pagan temple, where demons were still residing. When he started praying, the demons fled in terror. 
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Im sure Christians pre-Constantine would agree with you..... Roll Eyes
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Im sure Christians pre-Constantine would agree with you..... Roll Eyes

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2013, 02:27:40 PM »

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Serbians know well price of heresy....

are you insinuating that the status of serbia today is as a result of heretical actions? 
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Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

St. Gregory the Great favoured a different missionary strategy:

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The aforesaid envoys having departed, the blessed Father Gregory sent after them a letter worthy to be recorded, wherein he plainly shows how carefully he watched over the salvation of our country. The letter was as follows:

"To his most beloved son, the Abbot Mellitus; Gregory, the servant of the servants of God. We have been much concerned, since the departure of our people that are with you, because we have received no account of the success of your journey. Howbeit, when Almighty God has led, you to the most reverend Bishop Augustine, our brother, tell him what I have long been considering in my own mind concerning the matter of the English people; to wit, that the temples of the idols in that nation ought not to be destroyed; but let the idols that are in them be destroyed; let water be consecrated and sprinkled in the said temples, let altars be erected, and relics placed there. For if those temples are well built, it is requisite that they be converted from the worship of devils to the service of the true God; that the nation, seeing that their temples are not destroyed, may remove error from their hearts, and knowing and adoring the true God, may the more freely resort to the places to which they have been accustomed. And because they are used to slaughter many oxen in sacrifice to devils, some solemnity must be given them in exchange for this, as that on the day of the dedication, or the nativities of the holy martyrs, whose relics are there deposited, they should build themselves huts of the boughs of trees about those churches which have been turned to that use from being temples, and celebrate the solemnity with religious feasting, and no more offer animals to the Devil, but kill cattle and glorify God in their feast, and return thanks to the Giver of all things for their abundance; to the end that, whilst some outward gratifications are retained, they may the more easily consent to the inward joys. For there is no doubt that it is impossible to cut off every thing at once from their rude natures; because he who endeavours to ascend to the highest place rises by degrees or steps, and not by leaps. Thus the Lord made Himself known to the people of Israel in Egypt; and yet He allowed them the use, in His own worship, of the sacrifices which they were wont to offer to the Devil, commanding them in His sacrifice to kill animals, to the end that, with changed hearts, they might lay aside one part of the sacrifice, whilst they retained another; and although the animals were the same as those which they were wont to offer, they should offer them to the true God, and not to idols; and thus they would no longer be the same sacrifices. This then, dearly beloved, it behoves you to communicate to our aforesaid brother, that he, being placed where he is at present, may consider how he is to order all things. God preserve you in safety, most beloved son.

"Given the 17 th of June, in the nineteenth year of the reign of our most religious lord, Mauritius Tiberius Augustus, the eighteenth year after the consulship of our said lord, and the fourth indiction."

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2013, 03:01:39 PM »

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Serbians know well price of heresy....

are you insinuating that the status of serbia today is as a result of heretical actions? 

Status of Serbia?
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Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Serbians know well price of heresy....

are you insinuating that the status of serbia today is as a result of heretical actions? 

Status of Serbia?

he seemed to be insinuating (to me at least) that Serbians know the "price" of heresy.  that to me naturally means the status of serbia today is the price they paid for heresy. 
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Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

What's the story behind this?  I'm assuming its a DL celebrated on a moving train.
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Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Serbians know well price of heresy....

are you insinuating that the status of serbia today is as a result of heretical actions? 

Status of Serbia?

he seemed to be insinuating (to me at least) that Serbians know the "price" of heresy.  that to me naturally means the status of serbia today is the price they paid for heresy. 

But what do you mean with 'the status of Serbia today'?
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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2013, 04:57:18 PM »

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

What's the story behind this?  I'm assuming its a DL celebrated on a moving train.

here's a brief article in english explaining some background:  https://frmilovan.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/divine-liturgy-to-go/

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Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Serbians know well price of heresy....

are you insinuating that the status of serbia today is as a result of heretical actions? 

Status of Serbia?

he seemed to be insinuating (to me at least) that Serbians know the "price" of heresy.  that to me naturally means the status of serbia today is the price they paid for heresy. 

But what do you mean with 'the status of Serbia today'?

i'm conjecturing HIS point through that statement.  (I hope that makes sense). 

IOW, i'm ASSUMING that HE thinks that the status of Serbia today is "bad" and that this "badness" is as a result of heresy in serbia. 

IOW, i'm just being ridiculous because he is being ridiculous. 
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Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Serbians know well price of heresy....

are you insinuating that the status of serbia today is as a result of heretical actions? 

I say , Serbians surrounded by heretical people and heavily suffer constantly form.

Heretics = antichrist. (apostol say) 

So we all do suffer from heretics, but Serbians i think may suffer more then any one.
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It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...


too many do... it is sad.... holly fathers die for us, and now we betray them .....
I remember, at one time, when I was reading the Desert Fathers, I read about one of them (if anyone can remember the name I would be very grateful). While he was on a journey, he spent the night in the ruins of a pagan temple, where demons were still residing. When he started praying, the demons fled in terror. 

some book say it Makarios Great.

but it was RUINS , not actual acting temple.

lot of great orthodox churches build on or even at ex paganic temples. but no one let pagans use them back.  
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At last! A post that makes sense.
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Poor kitty! whoever did this deserves to be called a heretic!  laugh And I hope Kitty gave the perpetrator a good shredding.   Wink
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« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2013, 11:24:18 PM »

This doesn't even approach the artistry and masterful finesse of Stashko. 
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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2013, 12:14:29 AM »

He has obviously dumbed it down to throw us off, duh. Wink
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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2013, 03:31:55 AM »

This doesn't even approach the artistry and masterful finesse of Stashko. 

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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2013, 11:34:59 AM »



There, I fixed this thread

Poor kitty! whoever did this deserves to be called a heretic!  laugh And I hope Kitty gave the perpetrator a good shredding.   Wink

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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2013, 11:45:37 AM »

This doesn't even approach the artistry and masterful finesse of Stashko. 

Indeed.  Alive's posts are a pale imitation.  I could understand stashko's posts which is what made them so infuriating.  I'm still trying to figure out what Alive is even talking about and it's not just the language barrier.  His posts always lack half the information they need to make any sense in any language.
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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2013, 12:32:42 PM »

Better to have service in the bush rather then at heretical place - place of antichrist. 

remined me of that: https://picasaweb.google.com/111141238362442690172/GESJvE#

Serbians know well price of heresy....

are you insinuating that the status of serbia today is as a result of heretical actions? 

I say , Serbians surrounded by heretical people and heavily suffer constantly form.

Heretics = antichrist. (apostol say) 

So we all do suffer from heretics, but Serbians i think may suffer more then any one.


Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, FYROMians are all heretics?
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« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2013, 12:36:56 PM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...


too many do... it is sad.... holly fathers die for us, and now we betray them .....
I remember, at one time, when I was reading the Desert Fathers, I read about one of them (if anyone can remember the name I would be very grateful). While he was on a journey, he spent the night in the ruins of a pagan temple, where demons were still residing. When he started praying, the demons fled in terror. 

some book say it Makarios Great.

but it was RUINS , not actual acting temple.

lot of great orthodox churches build on or even at ex paganic temples. but no one let pagans use them back.  
Te point was not whether it was a ruin or not. The pagan demons were still living in that temple. Now if a group of orthodox faithful are worshipping in a heterodox church building, should it not e possible them to hunt away all evil which resides inside if there is any?
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« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2013, 01:00:40 PM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...


too many do... it is sad.... holly fathers die for us, and now we betray them .....
I remember, at one time, when I was reading the Desert Fathers, I read about one of them (if anyone can remember the name I would be very grateful). While he was on a journey, he spent the night in the ruins of a pagan temple, where demons were still residing. When he started praying, the demons fled in terror. 

some book say it Makarios Great.

but it was RUINS , not actual acting temple.

lot of great orthodox churches build on or even at ex paganic temples. but no one let pagans use them back.  

So since we as orthodox consider the Cathelics (for example) as heretics, that would make their temple an ex pagan temple, so all we have to do is douse it with holy water & use it when we want....right?  I mean...that's what you're insinuating...right? 
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« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2013, 01:02:37 PM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...


too many do... it is sad.... holly fathers die for us, and now we betray them .....
I remember, at one time, when I was reading the Desert Fathers, I read about one of them (if anyone can remember the name I would be very grateful). While he was on a journey, he spent the night in the ruins of a pagan temple, where demons were still residing. When he started praying, the demons fled in terror. 

some book say it Makarios Great.

but it was RUINS , not actual acting temple.

lot of great orthodox churches build on or even at ex paganic temples. but no one let pagans use them back.  

So since we as orthodox consider the Cathelics (for example) as heretics, that would make their temple an ex pagan temple, so all we have to do is douse it with holy water & use it when we want....right?  I mean...that's what you're insinuating...right? 

I'm not sure, but I think what he was saying is that once it has been used by Orthodox, we shouldn't give it back to the Heterodox.
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« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2013, 02:18:36 PM »

It is fairly common for orthodox christians to celebrate liturgy in heterodox churches, in countries where they are the majority.
for priest who have not awe of God.... it is....

Godly orthodox priest no way would do it.
That is strong accusation and you better have something to base it on.

We don't celebrate with the heterodox, we simply rent their churches.

That is what our parish does.  Well, I don't know if a Catholic building is considered heterodox...


too many do... it is sad.... holly fathers die for us, and now we betray them .....
I remember, at one time, when I was reading the Desert Fathers, I read about one of them (if anyone can remember the name I would be very grateful). While he was on a journey, he spent the night in the ruins of a pagan temple, where demons were still residing. When he started praying, the demons fled in terror. 

some book say it Makarios Great.

but it was RUINS , not actual acting temple.

lot of great orthodox churches build on or even at ex paganic temples. but no one let pagans use them back.  

So since we as orthodox consider the Cathelics (for example) as heretics, that would make their temple an ex pagan temple, so all we have to do is douse it with holy water & use it when we want....right?  I mean...that's what you're insinuating...right? 

I'm not sure, but I think what he was saying is that once it has been used by Orthodox, we shouldn't give it back to the Heterodox.

Now now...I was taught at an early age to share with friends.   Wink Grin Cool Shocked
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