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« on: March 10, 2013, 10:26:46 PM »

What is a good patron saint for midwifery, infants, birth, etc. ? I am a young single mama, midwife student, etc.  i find things suggesting St. Brigid of Kildare, but with no explanation as to why?
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2013, 10:45:07 PM »

What is a good patron saint for midwifery, infants, birth, etc. ? I am a young single mama, midwife student, etc.  i find things suggesting St. Brigid of Kildare, but with no explanation as to why?

Those that immediately come to mind: St Anna, St Stylianos of Paphlagonia, and, of course, the Mother of God.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2013, 06:52:45 AM »

Everyone was telling me it's not an Orthodox tradition to view saints as some kind of specialist physicians.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 07:20:15 AM »

Everyone was telling me it's not an Orthodox tradition to view saints as some kind of specialist physicians.

While one can pray to any saint for intercession for any reason, and while Orthodoxy might not have developed a highly structured and codified system of patron saints like that seen in the Roman Catholic church, but there are, nevertheless, strong traditions, be they regional or widespread, of invoking certain saints for their intercession in certain situations.

St Nicholas of Myra, for example, is renowned as a patron of mariners and fishermen; St Irene Chrysovalantou and St Anna, mother of the Mother of God, are prayed to for help in conceiving children; and Prophet Elijah is called upon to protect against fire and drought. There are not only countless miracles associated with these saints and their areas of "patronage", but the elements of the origins of their association with certain situations or occupations are very frequently found within their hymnography.

Also, the Divine Liturgy allows for a priest to insert specific petitions at the Litany of Fervent Supplication, during times of need. These are found in a priest's service book (Hieratikon, Sluzhebnik). For instance, one of these contains a petition which prays for Prophet Elijah's intercession in times of drought, or when fire is posing a danger, such as during outbreaks of wildfires.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 08:37:21 AM »

Though not officially a Saint presently, Matushka Olga Michael was a midwife.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2013, 09:24:25 AM »

Everyone was telling me it's not an Orthodox tradition to view saints as some kind of specialist physicians.

I was expecting this from the first post on. Site posters must be slipping...
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2013, 09:39:24 AM »

St. John Maximovitch, otherwise known as St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco.  People in our parish have had miracles associated with childbirth and healing of children due to his intercession.  One child wasn't expected to make it at all at birth, or else be very damaged.  She is fine.  One was spared having ear surgery.  The child later saw a photo of St. John and said that was the man who fixed his ears.  That might have been before he was canonized.  St. John loved children.  He was one of those saints who would rescue children off the streets of China.  He also had an orphanage there, and when they had to flee, he brought some of the orphans with him. 

He is known for many different intercessory miracles though.

His incorrupt relics are in San Francisco, CA where he helped complete the cathedral there.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2013, 09:43:03 AM »

St. John Maximovitch, otherwise known as St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco.  People in our parish have had miracles associated with childbirth and healing of children due to his intercession. 

How could I have neglected to mention him?  Embarrassed Embarrassed I can say that the good saint has definitely interceded in the survival of a very premature baby, born less than a year ago, the grandson of an Orthodox priest.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2013, 08:54:18 PM »

Everyone was telling me it's not an Orthodox tradition to view saints as some kind of specialist physicians.

My reasoning is more in the realm of relatedness and connection between the saint and I. Not as a physician lol.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 02:48:30 AM »

Everyone was telling me it's not an Orthodox tradition to view saints as some kind of specialist physicians.

My reasoning is more in the realm of relatedness and connection between the saint and I. Not as a physician lol.

And my point is, I was told we don't have a specified saint for diarrhoea, specified saint for penguins, specified saint for hybrid cars etc...
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2013, 03:01:42 AM »

Everyone was telling me it's not an Orthodox tradition to view saints as some kind of specialist physicians.

My reasoning is more in the realm of relatedness and connection between the saint and I. Not as a physician lol.

And my point is, I was told we don't have a specified saint for diarrhoea, specified saint for penguins, specified saint for hybrid cars etc...

But we do have strong and longstanding traditions for invoking certain saints for certain situations, as I mentioned earlier. We simply don't go to the same extent of specificity and codification as does the RCC.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2013, 03:17:48 AM »

Everyone was telling me it's not an Orthodox tradition to view saints as some kind of specialist physicians.

I was expecting this from the first post on. Site posters must be slipping...

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2013, 07:38:16 AM »

St. Anna, the mother of the Theotokos, and St. Marina the Martyr/Margaret of Antioch are both on these lists of patrons of pregnant women and patrons of women in labor.

Here is more information about St. Marina.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2013, 07:43:03 AM »

St. Anna, the mother of the Theotokos, and St. Marina the Martyr/Margaret of Antioch are both on these lists of patrons of pregnant women and patrons of women in labor.
Are you aware it's a Roman Catholic website?
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2013, 07:56:01 AM »

...we don't have a specified saint for diarrhoea, specified saint for penguins, specified saint for hybrid cars etc...

St. Polycarp, St. Gall or St. Tryphon, and St. Elijah:
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At the end of the Divine Liturgy, there is the Blessing of the means of transporation. Because he rode chariot of fire into heaven, The Holy Prophet Elijah the Thesbite (Mar Elias) is the Patron Saint of transportation. Then, means of transporation are blessed on The Holy Prophet Elijah's (Mar Elias's) feast day, July 20. The means of transporation include automobles, bicycles, cars, motorcycles, SUV, trucks, and other means of Transportation. Sometimes, this blessing is referred to as "The Blessing of Cars".
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2013, 07:57:02 AM »

St. Anna, the mother of the Theotokos, and St. Marina the Martyr/Margaret of Antioch are both on these lists of patrons of pregnant women and patrons of women in labor.
Are you aware it's a Roman Catholic website?

I linked to an Orthodox site, too, but you left it out of the quote.
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The Blessing of the Means of Transporation

At the end of the Divine Liturgy, there is the Blessing of the means of transporation. Because he rode chariot of fire into heaven, The Holy Prophet Elijah the Thesbite (Mar Elias) is the Patron Saint of transportation. Then, means of transporation are blessed on The Holy Prophet Elijah's (Mar Elias's) feast day, July 20. The means of transporation include automobles, bicycles, cars, motorcycles, SUV, trucks, and other means of Transportation. Sometimes, this blessing is referred to as "The Blessing of Cars".

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2013, 08:05:17 AM »

Michal, any comment on posts #3 and #10?
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2013, 08:18:21 AM »

Michal, any comment on posts #3 and #10?

I agree there are some saints that are prayed to in certain circumstances, they are mentioned in prayers from euchologions, some events from their life are reminded etc; some post-pagan identification also may have contributed (St. Elijah being successor of Perun, St. John - Kupala's)... I only oppose to classificationing them in such a way, like "saint for X or Y".

I have a problem with "specificity and codification". How much "specificity and codification" do we use and it's ok, and how much "specificity and codification" is too much and will make us like Catholics? Where is the border line?
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I have a problem with "specificity and codification". How much "specificity and codification" do we use and it's ok, and how much "specificity and codification" is too much and will make us like Catholics?

Orthodoxy is pretty good at striking a balanced approach, don't you think? Patronage is not magic, nor should there be any idea of a "league table" of saints, but if prayer to a particular saint to help in time of need brings that person closer to God and strengthens their faith, isn't this a good and wonderful thing?

And if there are traditions of patronage which are expressed liturgically, such as the petitions in the DL, or mention of specific saints in the services within the Trebnik, or in the saint's festal hymnography, it's safe to say that such patronage is well and truly approved by the Church.

As I mentioned earlier, any saint can be called upon to intercede for any situation. But I can't see anything at all wrong with the association of particular saints with particular needs, especially if there is a liturgical recognition of it, or a strong and genuine tradition surrounding it. Indeed, many have had an indifferent faith strengthened and magnified following their examination of the life of the saint invoked, and especially following the answering of their prayers. 
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2013, 02:13:46 PM »

I often use Catholic websites that speak on saint patronages and will use the pre-schism saints that come up. There are also certain saints that are strongly associated with certain things that may or may not be prominent in the RCC, as such St. Phanorious or St. Pantaleimon or are post-schism, such as St. Xenia of Petersburg.

I do this because it gives me an opportunity to learn more about the lives of the saints and develop a devotion to more of them over time. When I begin praying to a saint for a particular thing, I tend to remember them other times as well, and want to participate in their other customs, keeping their feasts days of course, but also the more folk customs such as baking an Phanoropita (and praying for his mother, who's in my commemoration book).

Actually, I think it would be neat for there to be a website that shares these unofficial customs of Orthodox patronages to include the post-schism saints, both who is associated with what and the customs undertaken by those with devotion to them.
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2013, 05:05:20 PM »

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At the end of the Divine Liturgy, there is the Blessing of the means of transporation. Because he rode chariot of fire into heaven, The Holy Prophet Elijah the Thesbite (Mar Elias) is the Patron Saint of transportation. Then, means of transporation are blessed on The Holy Prophet Elijah's (Mar Elias's) feast day, July 20. The means of transporation include automobles, bicycles, cars, motorcycles, SUV, trucks, and other means of Transportation. Sometimes, this blessing is referred to as "The Blessing of Cars".

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Not just Catholic, Eastern Catholic. We were talking about hybrid cars. Seemed appropriate.  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2013, 05:37:34 PM »

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At the end of the Divine Liturgy, there is the Blessing of the means of transporation. Because he rode chariot of fire into heaven, The Holy Prophet Elijah the Thesbite (Mar Elias) is the Patron Saint of transportation. Then, means of transporation are blessed on The Holy Prophet Elijah's (Mar Elias's) feast day, July 20. The means of transporation include automobles, bicycles, cars, motorcycles, SUV, trucks, and other means of Transportation. Sometimes, this blessing is referred to as "The Blessing of Cars".

Catholic website again...

Not just Catholic, Eastern Catholic. We were talking about hybrid cars. Seemed appropriate.  Wink

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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2013, 10:20:02 AM »

I often use Catholic websites that speak on saint patronages and will use the pre-schism saints that come up.

But that patronage thing is post-schism.
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2013, 10:27:54 AM »

I often use Catholic websites that speak on saint patronages and will use the pre-schism saints that come up.

But that patronage thing is post-schism.

All of it, Michal? If an RC site mentioned St Nicholas of Myra was patron of fishermen, mariners and children in poverty, would you reject this tradition?
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2013, 11:36:05 AM »

I often use Catholic websites that speak on saint patronages and will use the pre-schism saints that come up.

But that patronage thing is post-schism.

All of it, Michal? If an RC site mentioned St Nicholas of Myra was patron of fishermen, mariners and children in poverty, would you reject this tradition?

Yes. As well as reject St. Isidore - a saint for the Internet, St. Fiacre - for hemorrhoids and venerical disease, St. Anthony the Great - for pigs etc.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2013, 11:48:44 AM »


So how does one explain the fact that some people who ask for a saint's intervention, actually getting it?
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2013, 12:07:42 PM »

I fail to see why or how it would not make sense to seek the intercessions of a saint that may have a personal connection to a specific time of need or sin that needs to be overcome.
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2013, 12:16:16 PM »

I don't see this as a horrible, western innovation at all. While orthodoxwiki is not an official source by any means, it provides one with a rather exhaustive listing of saints and causes.

"A patron saint is regarded as the intercessor and advocate in heaven of a nation, place, craft, activity, class, or person. Since the time of the early Christians up to the present, a vast number of patron saints have been recorded"  http://orthodoxwiki.org/Patron_saint

A few examples:

"For help in distress or poverty

St. John of Kronstadt (December 20)
St. John the Almsgiver of Alexandria (November 12)
St. Martin of Tours, the Merciful (November 12)
St. Nicholas the Wonderworker (December 6)


For the kitchen and home

Ss. Spyridon and Nikodim of Kievo-Pechersk: Prosphora making (October 31)
St. Euphrosynos the Cook (September 11)
St. Juliana Lazarevskaya (January 2)
St. Prochor of Kievo-Pechersk (February 10)
St. Sergius of Radonezh: for baking (September 25)

For the throat

St. Blaise of Sebaste (February 11)

For trading

St. Paraskevi (July 26)"

And so on.  The list is quite extensive. Perhaps some Roman Catholics take this to a silly extreme. However, we Orthodox have our own pious, but equally misguided folks, who carry things Orthodox to depths of foolish extreme so I wouldn't get hung up over over a Saint for penguins, they are God's creatures too.

We have regular services seeking St. Nectarios of Aegina's intercession for those who are ill, particularly those who are afflicted by cancer.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2013, 12:28:35 PM »

From the service to St Nicholas of Myra:

Lovers of feasts, let us assemble and with songs of praise hymn the ornament of Hierarchs, the glory of the Fathers, the fount of wonders and greatest helper of believers, as we say, Hail, guard, august leader and immovable pillar of the people of Myra. Hail, brightly shining beacon, who irradiates with your wonders all the ends of the earth. Hail, divine joy of the afflicted, and most fervent defender of the wronged. And now, all-blessed Nicholas, do not cease to intercede with Christ our God on behalf of those who ever honour with faith and love your joyous and all-festive memory.

As a rule of faith and image of meekness Christ God revealed you to your flock, Hierarch Nicolas; for in Myra you give off the fragrance of sweet myrrh and shine radiantly by your achievements, defender of orphans and widows; and so do not cease to intercede that our souls may be saved.

Hail, Nicholas, who filled with godlike zeal by fearsome intervention and visitations through dreams rescued from evil arrest those who were about to die unjustly. Fount, who became a rich fount of fragrant myrrh for those in Myra, and watered their souls, driving away the foul stench of the passions. Sword, which cut down the cockle of error. Winnowing fan that sifted the doctrines of Arius like chaff. Implore Christ to send down to our souls His great mercy.

As a heavenly man you were shown to be angelic upon the earth, a ready defender of widows, an avenger of the oppressed, and a helper amid misfortunes for all who are sorrowful, O father Nicholas.

All who are under the sun proclaim the abyss of the wonders of your virtues, O thrice-blessed Nicholas: the poor call you their intercessor, the orphans and widows their nurturer, the blind their guide, and all men their champion.

When your name alone is invoked, with all speed it truly delivers those who fervently call upon you from all the counsels of the enemy, O holy Nicholas. As of old you delivered the soldiers, so save us also from every grievous circumstance.

As the feeder of wisdom and father of orphans, the most excellent help of those in sorrow, the consolation of the grieving, the shepherd and guide of all the lost, O Nicholas, by your supplications deliver us from misfortunes.

You work strange and awesome miracles, O Nicholas, interceding in your speedy supplications for those in peril throughout the earth and far out upon the sea, showing yourself to the faithful as a physician of the sick, a feeder of the poor, and the namesake of victory over the enemy.

Enlightened by lamps of grace, O divinely wise one, you manifestly became a lamp of piety: save those in danger, deliver those who are out upon the deep sea, and all-gloriously feed the hungry, O most blessed one.

Rejoicing, let us sound the trumpet of festal hymns, let us leap up and join chorus on this, the God-bearing father's prayerful celebration. Let kings and princes come together, and let them hymn him who by his dread appearance in a dream prevailed upon the king to release the three warriors who were unjustly imprisoned. O assembly of teachers and pastors of the good Shepherd, let us praise the pastor who showed forth love like His. And lauding the great hierarch, the physician of the infirm, the deliverer of those in misfortune, the helper of sinners, the treasure of the poor, the consoler of the sorrowful, the companion of those who travel, the helmsman of those at sea, who fervently anticipate the needs of all in every place, let us say thus: O all-holy Nicholas, come forth and deliver us from these present tribulations, and save your flock by your supplications.


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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2013, 12:29:53 PM »

It is also a pious custom for church related organizations to have a patron. Here is a Greek example:

"Patron Saint and Prayer for Young Adults:  Saint Stephen is the patron saint of Young Adult Ministry in the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. His total commitment to Jesus Christ shines as an example, guiding the ministry. St. Stephen was one of the first Deacons ordained in the church"
http://www.goarch.org/archdiocese/departments/youth/youngadultministry/patronsaint

and from the ACROD:

"Saints Cyril and Methodios  The Patron Saints of the ACRY: Since our ancestors inherited both  the Orthodox Faith and their Slavic culture (alphabet, written language and books) from SS. Cyril and Methodius, we rightfully venerate them as our Slavic Apostles and Teachers.

It is providential that  these zealous evangelizers were chosen by Metropolitan Orestes as the Patron Saints of the ACRY,  as  the ACRY  throughout its seventy years of existence has labored to further the growth and vitality of our God-Saved Diocese, and spread the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ throughout North America."  http://www.acrod.org/organizations/senioracry/acrya-u/acryps

In the OCA, St. Andrew the First Called is the FOCA's patron saint.

It would seem natural and proper that members of such organizations would have a special interest in these Saints.
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2013, 12:32:25 PM »


Even nations have Patron Saints.

Ukraine has St. Andrew the First-called as Patron Saint....because he actually traveled to Ukraine.
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Even nations have Patron Saints.

Ukraine has St. Andrew the First-called as Patron Saint....because he actually traveled to Ukraine.


There are indeed patron-saints of nations and even regions within countries. Just try telling the Serbs it's not right to say St Sava is their national patron and see how far it'll get you ....  Shocked Shocked Shocked laugh
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2013, 12:43:33 PM »


Ohhhhh.....that would be ugly!

I would never dare to do that!
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2013, 12:47:39 PM »

If Orthodoxy had no tradition of patronage, our parishes would be named like those of Protestants - First Orthodox Church, Main Street Orthodox Church etc....
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