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« on: January 29, 2013, 11:19:02 PM »

By Archbishop Chrysostomos of Etna
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/alien_abduct.aspx

After reading the article, I'm somewhat getting the gist that the Archbishop was referencing that Aliens were demons, or at least Orthodoxy Abductions by Aliens had some kind of demonic affect.

I'm not sure whether or not to give him credence on the article, or think "what the heck is an Archbishop doing writing about this".

There are documentaries on the subject on youtube about Aliens being demons...

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 11:28:07 PM »

The tales of abductions--ie, being taken inside of an alleged alien craft and being gang-raped by little green men, seem to be clearly demonic. The reason being, they just seem so lucid and somewhat spiritual in the way that most "abductees" describe them. It makes perfect sense to me; in the past, demons fooled people in explicitly supernatural ways because there was no such thing as naturalism. But now, in our modern western society, we have Scholastic minds. And, I don't find the notion unlikely at all that demons could take on the appearance of "natural" aliens to deceive people with a western mindset. In the age with less God and supernatural, the demons will adapt to deceive us in naturalistic ways. As for the cases of people claiming to see UFOs in the sky, those are probably just cases of misidentification more than anything; ie, someone sees an airplane after a few beers and thinks it's an alien ship.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 11:30:53 PM »

By Archbishop Chrysostomos of Etna
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/alien_abduct.aspx

After reading the article, I'm somewhat getting the gist that the Archbishop was referencing that Aliens were demons, or at least Orthodoxy Abductions by Aliens had some kind of demonic affect.

I'm not sure whether or not to give him credence on the article, or think "what the heck is an Archbishop doing writing about this".

There are documentaries on the subject on youtube about Aliens being demons...

Discuss?
I find it odd that when aliens capture people and talk to them (which alone is strange that they know our languages) that they almost always mention religion and Christianity in particular.  The adverse affects of abductees is way to shocking to consider ALL stories to be made up.  There is no other choice, as ridiculous as this may sound, I have no doubt in my mind that so-called aliens are actually demons/nephilim.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 11:33:55 PM »

It is also important to note that many of the people who have these alleged experiences with extra-terrestrials end up destroying their lives in the end. They visit all these mediums, get into all this weirdo occult stuff and spend every waking moment thinking about the aliens, wanting to contact them again, going to great lengths to "contact" them, believing that the aliens are speaking to them etc, and oftentimes in the end, they end up committing suicide. This seems demonic.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 11:36:24 PM »

As for the cases of people claiming to see UFOs in the sky, those are probably just cases of misidentification more than anything; ie, someone sees an airplane after a few beers and thinks it's an alien ship.
As anathema as this is or is not, The Book of Enoch makes note of the Angels greeting Enoch on a "flying house" made of crystals.  Regardless as to whether or not said book is right or inspired, it certainly is something to think about, although there definitely is a lot of misidentification involved too, I'm sure demons can also trick people in this way.
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 11:40:25 PM »

How about "Big-Foot"? Tons of people--even ancient Native American lore--bear witness to the existence of hairy humanoid creatures inhabiting the forest. Yet, scientifically speaking, there is no way this could be possible because in order for bigfoot to exist, there would have to be a breeding population, and it is very difficult for such a large species of animal to remain so hidden from the majority of the world for so long. Perhaps "Bigfoot" is also demonic? It is interconnected with the human desire to discover something special about ourselves that is NOT from God; ie, in the case of Bigfoot, the possibility of learning more about our evolution and fossil record, possibly discovering something amazing?
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 11:44:54 PM »

This thread would be incomplete without referencing the work of prominent Greek scholar Giorgio A. Tsoukalos:

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 11:59:06 PM »




After reading the article, I'm somewhat getting the gist that the Archbishop was referencing that Aliens were demons, or at least Orthodoxy Abductions by Aliens had some kind of demonic affect.

I'm not sure whether or not to give him credence on the article, or think "what the heck is an Archbishop doing writing about this".

There are documentaries on the subject on youtube about Aliens being demons...

Discuss?

There is a fairly large cultic type following of this stuff, so he probably speaks to it because it is relevant to the times in which we live.

Are you asking for people's opinions as to whether they agree with the Archbishop or something else? 

What do you think 'aliens' are?
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2013, 12:02:12 AM »

James,

It's not Scholastic. Use modern, if you must use anything, as that seems to be what you are attempting to convey. It's killing me.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2013, 12:17:55 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2013, 01:34:49 AM »

Having only a passing acquaintance with the testimonies of alleged abductees, I will have to take Archbishop Chrysostomos' distillation of the common features of these experiences (derived, it seems, primarily from John E. Mack) at face value. Of course the article is far too brief to be regarded as anything but the musings of a concerned pastor, and I think it is understood by everyone here that there is no authoritative Orthodox position. But the abductees' experiences as he relates them, and as I have heard related elsewhere, if they possess any veracity at all, do seem to betray a marked demonic element. I frankly find this explanation more plausible than the idea of these being creatures from another galaxy/ physical dimension, etc.

As the Archbishop points out, the lives of the saints are replete with instances where the demons both manifest and act physically, in order to cause both spiritual and physical harm. So that aspect of the encounters is easy enough for me to accept. Also, these experiences tend to cause people to become psychologically unhinged, more or less, which is certainly indicative of demonic activity.

What is curious to me are precisely the elements that, AFAIK, are unique to these modern encounters: the presence of strange (to many abductees' minds', more advanced) technologies, and esp. the pronounced emphasis on genital/ reproductive manipulation/ experimentation. I am not fond of speculating, but it does bring to mind the idea that the devil is always attempting to incarnate (i.e.- AntiChrist.)

In short, I tend toward agreement with Archbishop Chrysostomos' thesis, with the reservation that I simply do not know enough.

Since you posted it and asked us to discuss, what do you think?

By Archbishop Chrysostomos of Etna
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/alien_abduct.aspx

After reading the article, I'm somewhat getting the gist that the Archbishop was referencing that Aliens were demons, or at least Orthodoxy Abductions by Aliens had some kind of demonic affect.

I'm not sure whether or not to give him credence on the article, or think "what the heck is an Archbishop doing writing about this".

There are documentaries on the subject on youtube about Aliens being demons...

Discuss?
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2013, 05:14:29 AM »

The tales of abductions--ie, being taken inside of an alleged alien craft and being gang-raped by little green men, seem to be clearly demonic. The reason being, they just seem so lucid and somewhat spiritual in the way that most "abductees" describe them. It makes perfect sense to me; in the past, demons fooled people in explicitly supernatural ways because there was no such thing as naturalism. But now, in our modern western society, we have Scholastic minds. And, I don't find the notion unlikely at all that demons could take on the appearance of "natural" aliens to deceive people with a western mindset. In the age with less God and supernatural, the demons will adapt to deceive us in naturalistic ways. As for the cases of people claiming to see UFOs in the sky, those are probably just cases of misidentification more than anything; ie, someone sees an airplane after a few beers and thinks it's an alien ship.

In my area a few years ago it has been reported the sight of an ufo space ship, near a power pole. The ufo left geometrical round forms in the lane. It all apeared at tv.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2013, 05:22:05 AM »

As for the cases of people claiming to see UFOs in the sky, those are probably just cases of misidentification more than anything; ie, someone sees an airplane after a few beers and thinks it's an alien ship.
As anathema as this is or is not, The Book of Enoch makes note of the Angels greeting Enoch on a "flying house" made of crystals.  Regardless as to whether or not said book is right or inspired, it certainly is something to think about, although there definitely is a lot of misidentification involved too, I'm sure demons can also trick people in this way.

Which book of Enoch, there are more than one. I read 1Enoch and I don't remmeber seing that in there.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2013, 06:01:19 AM »

I've tended to think that the alien thing is bunch of crock and doubt that this is anything other than a cultural/psychological phenomenon - neither alien OR demonic. I could be wrong. We'll see if I ever get abducted.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2013, 06:47:13 AM »

The tales of abductions--ie, being taken inside of an alleged alien craft and being gang-raped by little green men, seem to be clearly demonic. The reason being, they just seem so lucid and somewhat spiritual in the way that most "abductees" describe them. It makes perfect sense to me; in the past, demons fooled people in explicitly supernatural ways because there was no such thing as naturalism. But now, in our modern western society, we have Scholastic minds. And, I don't find the notion unlikely at all that demons could take on the appearance of "natural" aliens to deceive people with a western mindset. In the age with less God and supernatural, the demons will adapt to deceive us in naturalistic ways. As for the cases of people claiming to see UFOs in the sky, those are probably just cases of misidentification more than anything; ie, someone sees an airplane after a few beers and thinks it's an alien ship.

In my area a few years ago it has been reported the sight of an ufo space ship, near a power pole. The ufo left geometrical round forms in the lane. It all apeared at tv.
In my area, a couple of years ago dozens of people called the local television station because they saw hundreds of little lights flying through the air above a major roadway.

Later, it turned out to be balloons with twinkling lights inside that a local church had launched that evening as part of a Christmas memorial service.
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2013, 07:40:31 AM »

I believe we give too little credit to Satan and his demons in general.  Many things we reason away or find other explanations for are due to his cunningness and incessant turpitude.
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2013, 08:04:51 AM »

I believe we give too little credit to Satan and his demons in general.  Many things we reason away or find other explanations for are due to his cunningness and incessant turpitude.
Like planting fossils underground to deceive us that evolution is true?
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I believe we give too little credit to Satan and his demons in general.  Many things we reason away or find other explanations for are due to his cunningness and incessant turpitude.
Like planting fossils underground to deceive us that evolution is true?

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2013, 08:35:18 AM »

They have alot of abilities you can find out about there snares(abilities) through readings of church fathers, saints and monks. So yes IMHO demons are masquerading as aliens.
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They have alot of abilities you can find out about there snares(abilities) through readings of church fathers, saints and monks. So yes IMHO demons are masquerading as aliens.

I think they are masquerading as a lot of things.
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I believe we give too little credit to Satan and his demons in general.  Many things we reason away or find other explanations for are due to his cunningness and incessant turpitude.
Like planting fossils underground to deceive us that evolution is true?

No. Rather, like planting philosophy that masquerades as science in people's minds so that they actually believe that the fossil record supports evolution in spite of gaping holes in it.  Wink


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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2013, 09:46:17 AM »

The tales of abductions--ie, being taken inside of an alleged alien craft and being gang-raped by little green men, seem to be clearly demonic. The reason being, they just seem so lucid and somewhat spiritual in the way that most "abductees" describe them. It makes perfect sense to me; in the past, demons fooled people in explicitly supernatural ways because there was no such thing as naturalism. But now, in our modern western society, we have Scholastic minds. And, I don't find the notion unlikely at all that demons could take on the appearance of "natural" aliens to deceive people with a western mindset. In the age with less God and supernatural, the demons will adapt to deceive us in naturalistic ways. As for the cases of people claiming to see UFOs in the sky, those are probably just cases of misidentification more than anything; ie, someone sees an airplane after a few beers and thinks it's an alien ship.

In my area a few years ago it has been reported the sight of an ufo space ship, near a power pole. The ufo left geometrical round forms in the lane. It all apeared at tv.
It's somewhere in 1Enoch.  I'll have to go look for it after work.
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2013, 12:30:53 PM »

I was listening to a series of lectures on JRR Tolkien and the lecturer noted that in the past, people would tell stories of being caught up in/trasported to Faerie and then return with wild tales of their adventures.  Nowadays, many people scoff at such tales but have no problem believing in alien abductions.

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If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?
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If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?

Angels generally have tremendous power over the physical world (so far as God allows it), even though they are not physical. How could the angel wrestle with Jacob?
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If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?
If ancient aliens didn't exist, how were the demons able to abduct Orthodox Christians?

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If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?

Angels generally have tremendous power over the physical world (so far as God allows it), even though they are not physical. How could the angel wrestle with Jacob?
Is the Jewish tradition as definitive as the Christian tradition, regarding the bodily/spiritual nature of angels? Could angels assume human form?

"There is some debate among the great Jewish philosophers whether the angels that the Torah describes as appearing actually assumed a visible physical form, or they appeared in the course of a spiritual vision or prophecy—in which the angels appeared as physical beings. According to all approaches, however, seeing an angel requires extra-sensory perception, as the bodies of the angels are not comprised of all the basic elements of a physical being."
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If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?

Angels generally have tremendous power over the physical world (so far as God allows it), even though they are not physical. How could the angel wrestle with Jacob?
Is the Jewish tradition as definitive as the Christian tradition, regarding the bodily/spiritual nature of angels?

Why would that matter? The Old Testament is part of the Christian tradition and as such is interpreted by the Christian church. There are also angels interacting with the physical world in the New Testament (e.g. in the Bethesda pool). And, of course, before his incarnation, God didn't have a body either.
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What about the angels who visited Abraham?  Didn't they sit and eat with him? 
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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2013, 04:18:37 PM »

If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?

There have been incidents in the lives of the saints, where these holy people have been beaten by demonic forces with bruises and/or broken bones to prove it. It has been a while since reading such a collection, so I do not have any references at hand. However, wasn't St. Nectarios of Aegina bothered by demons for a time during his life?

So yes, it is possible that so-called aliens could be demonic or at least possessed.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2013, 04:30:51 PM »

Some literature works have used the term "shapeshifters" to describe demons as they apparently cannot continue in their assumed form indefinitely.

By the way, back in 1994 or 1995 just after the horrible Northridge Earthquake that occurred in January 1994, there was an incident reported on KNBC Channel 4 news where an "Angel of Light" suddenly appeared on the passenger seat of the car to about 13 drivers headed inbound and told these drivers to turn around quickly and head North out of Los Angeles because there was to be a huge earthquake in the magnitude of 9 within a few minutes. Then, in their fear, these crazy drivers all did the unthinkable, pulled a U-turn on the freeway, and proceeded to go the wrong way. California Highway Officers (CHP) pulled all 13 drivers over and asked them why they did this. Each one gave the same story, but they did not know each other, nor had they been to any conference. Officers chalked it up to mass hysteria and the news media agreed. I happened to know one of these persons who called me and said that she might be on KNBC news as she was interviewed by them. She asked me my opinions about this. I told her that it could have been demonic as who else would cause drivers to panic and endanger the lives of so many people.

Believe it or not, no one was injured on that day. No crashes. I guess the guardian angels were very busy. And most importantly, no earthquake was registered that day. The news given by the "Angel of Light" was completely false.
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I've decided that the safest way to avoid deception by demons is to reject every single possible spiritual experience I may ever have in my life, and assume that it is demonic before I assume it is godly. If God wants to give me an experience, then it will have to be so extraordinary that there won't be a single shred of doubt that it's from God.
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I've decided that the safest way to avoid deception by demons is to reject every single possible spiritual experience I may ever have in my life, and assume that it is demonic before I assume it is godly. If God wants to give me an experience, then it will have to be so extraordinary that there won't be a single shred of doubt that it's from God.

Ask your priest before thinking that it is from God.

My husband experienced a very cold wind in our garage on a day when the temperature was in triple digits (about 110 degrees in the shade). It was a freezing pool of air that chased him around. He could only get warm by leaving the garage. However, the rest of the garage was stifling hot and humid. Our priest told him that it was demonic, and to get holy water and sprinkle it around while carrying the Cross. He did so, and the cold pool of air vanished never to revisit us.
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2013, 04:44:50 PM »

I've decided that the safest way to avoid deception by demons is to reject every single possible spiritual experience I may ever have in my life, and assume that it is demonic before I assume it is godly. If God wants to give me an experience, then it will have to be so extraordinary that there won't be a single shred of doubt that it's from God.

Ask your priest before thinking that it is from God.

My husband experienced a very cold wind in our garage on a day when the temperature was in triple digits (about 110 degrees in the shade). It was a freezing pool of air that chased him around. He could only get warm by leaving the garage. However, the rest of the garage was stifling hot and humid. Our priest told him that it was demonic, and to get holy water and sprinkle it around while carrying the Cross. He did so, and the cold pool of air vanished never to revisit us.

Woah, that's pretty freaky. No offense, but if it were me I would have sold the house and never turned back. Or, at least put an Icon of St. George in every single room on every single wall. I already have an Icon of St. George over my bed Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2013, 05:20:46 PM »

The tales of abductions--ie, being taken inside of an alleged alien craft and being gang-raped by little green men, seem to be clearly demonic. The reason being, they just seem so lucid and somewhat spiritual in the way that most "abductees" describe them. It makes perfect sense to me; in the past, demons fooled people in explicitly supernatural ways because there was no such thing as naturalism. But now, in our modern western society, we have Scholastic minds. And, I don't find the notion unlikely at all that demons could take on the appearance of "natural" aliens to deceive people with a western mindset. In the age with less God and supernatural, the demons will adapt to deceive us in naturalistic ways. As for the cases of people claiming to see UFOs in the sky, those are probably just cases of misidentification more than anything; ie, someone sees an airplane after a few beers and thinks it's an alien ship.

Apologies in advance for the tangent, but I know someone who is convinced he saw all the trees around him flattened as a UFO appeared in the trees near his house. The fact that he saw all this while smoking cannabis doesn't dissuade him any. Ditto for someone a friend of mine knows who saw a UFO while on an acid trip.

On the topic of demons, I know many people who have had direct experience with them, particular in semi sleep states (without any mind-altering substances!). My ex partner and myself both see the same figure from time to time, it's quite frightening. Having experienced physical pain from these experiences, I am convinced that in some circumstances, a demon could cause physical harm though I've not heard of anything resembling the exorcist having taken place.

I've heard a theory that alien abduction is actually a hallucination experienced in a trance state, that state being quite common especially among those who have sleep disorders. It's called sleep paralysis when a person enters this state while sleeping and basically what happens is that the mind is awake while the body is asleep. When people enter this state, they very often report sensing or even seeing malevolent beings. I suspect that entering this state (which I do often as a narcoleptic) makes one more vulnerable/perceptive to demonic attacks.

Edit: I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2013, 06:12:08 PM »

If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?
If ancient aliens didn't exist, how were the demons able to abduct Orthodox Christians?



I've never seen this show or a clip of it and have only seen this internet bit here and yet I can't stop laughing everytime someone uses it. I think Nick or someone explained the context to me, but it really doesn't need any.

It might just be the unsignified signifier.
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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2013, 06:15:51 PM »

I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.

Why not just ask them to cross themselves or allow you to sprinkle them with Holy Water? If they're good then they won't care and will do it, but if they're evil they won't be able to withstand it.
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I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.

Why not just ask them to cross themselves or allow you to sprinkle them with Holy Water? If they're good then they won't care and will do it, but if they're evil they won't be able to withstand it.
You can't sprinkle holy water if you're seeing them while in a trance state as you can't move your body. This is how a lot of visions occur; in that altered state of consciousness rather than when you're awake and walking around. Asking them to make the sign of the cross may well work though.
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I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.

Why not just ask them to cross themselves or allow you to sprinkle them with Holy Water? If they're good then they won't care and will do it, but if they're evil they won't be able to withstand it.
You can't sprinkle holy water if you're seeing them while in a trance state as you can't move your body. This is how a lot of visions occur; in that altered state of consciousness rather than when you're awake and walking around. Asking them to make the sign of the cross may well work though.

This is probably another case of sleep paralysis being mistook for something "more".
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Why is Phenomena being interpreted as "demonic"? Seems more like rabbit's foot superstition.
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I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.

Why not just ask them to cross themselves or allow you to sprinkle them with Holy Water? If they're good then they won't care and will do it, but if they're evil they won't be able to withstand it.
You can't sprinkle holy water if you're seeing them while in a trance state as you can't move your body. This is how a lot of visions occur; in that altered state of consciousness rather than when you're awake and walking around. Asking them to make the sign of the cross may well work though.

This is probably another case of sleep paralysis being mistook for something "more".
I am certain that happens, though my family and I have had similar experiences when comparing them so I do believe I have had genuine contact with sinister forces. I have woken up in pain having been hit in the face more times than I can count.
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Could demons physically interact with people? Like fight with them, have sexual relations with them or something?
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I am sure that demons could fight with men. Didn't Jacob wrestle with an angel?
Demons are fallen angels.

If we beg Christ and the Theotokos for help, surely they will come to our aid.
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If we beg Christ and the Theotokos for help, surely they will come to our aid.

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First though one needs to explain how an orthodox alien abduction would look like as opposed to a say a heterodox alien abduction.
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First though one needs to explain how an orthodox alien abduction would look like as opposed to a say a heterodox alien abduction.

The Orthodox: The aliens were REALLY there!!
The Heterodox: The aliens were there in a symbolic way!!
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First though one needs to explain how an orthodox alien abduction would look like as opposed to a say a heterodox alien abduction.

The Orthodox: The aliens were REALLY there!!
The Heterodox: The aliens were there in a symbolic way!!
ROFL!!!
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After reading the article, I'm somewhat getting the gist that the Archbishop was referencing that Aliens were demons, or at least Orthodoxy Abductions by Aliens had some kind of demonic affect.

I'm not sure whether or not to give him credence on the article, or think "what the heck is an Archbishop doing writing about this".

There are documentaries on the subject on youtube about Aliens being demons...

Discuss?

There is a fairly large cultic type following of this stuff, so he probably speaks to it because it is relevant to the times in which we live.

Are you asking for people's opinions as to whether they agree with the Archbishop or something else? 

What do you think 'aliens' are?

Not entirely if they agree with him or not.  The subject is just bizarre to me.

Me, I personally believe that it is plausible that they could be demonic....
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I am sure that demons could fight with men. Didn't Jacob wrestle with an angel?
Demons are fallen angels.

If we beg Christ and the Theotokos for help, surely they will come to our aid.

If I ever run across an Alien/Demon or whatever, I'll let you know how the fight turns out.  If I win, I will take photos.  I'll even call the cops and have it locked up, but first I'm calling local TV.

However, I would admit, that would be an insanely scary experience.
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First though one needs to explain how an orthodox alien abduction would look like as opposed to a say a heterodox alien abduction.

The Orthodox: The aliens were REALLY there!!
The Heterodox: The aliens were there in a symbolic way!!

LOL!!!!
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If there was a demon living in my apartment, I think my first question would be where the rent money is; no one lives here free.
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If there was a demon living in my apartment, I think my first question would be where the rent money is; no one lives here free.

If there were a demon living in your apartment, forget the rent. Leave and call the priest asap.

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From what they say, the demons assault the most righteous the most.

So calm down and sin if cold fronts chase you around the garage. You find apparitions addressing you. Maybe lie a few times about your age, that would get you two for one. Perhaps, insult someone.

The demons should then leave you alone and go bother another poor soul trying to walk the straight and narrow.

Really, you should work up to epic battles with the forces of darkness.

I've yet had a demon bother me and I chalk it up to my incredible track record of being a rather miserable excuse for a human.
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From what they say, the demons assault the most righteous the most.

So calm down and sin if cold fronts chase you around the garage. You find apparitions addressing you. Maybe lie a few times about your age, that would get you two for one. Perhaps, insult someone.

The demons should then leave you alone and go bother another poor soul trying to walk the straight and narrow.

Really, you should work up to epic battles with the forces of darkness.

I've yet had a demon bother me and I chalk it up to my incredible track record of being a rather miserable excuse for a human.

If I were a rich man ....

Hey, did you ever see that movie, Oh God, You Devil?
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If there was a demon living in my apartment, I think my first question would be where the rent money is; no one lives here free.

If there were a demon living in your apartment, forget the rent. Leave and call the priest asap.

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No, run and get the Holy Water! The demon really needs to be cooled down.
Holy water is your friend.

I keep a bottle of it by my bedside with an Icon of St. George over my bed. Can demons enter rooms that have Icons?
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« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2013, 01:45:16 AM »

If I ever run across an Alien/Demon or whatever, I'll let you know how the fight turns out.

Don't bother going for the groin; I don't think they have genders.
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If I ever run across an Alien/Demon or whatever, I'll let you know how the fight turns out.

Don't bother going for the groin; I don't think they have genders.

You'll always have the upper hand if you fight with Holy Water.
You can always put it in a squirt bottle to deliver a wonderful mist.

Some folks use those super soakers which deliver a deluge on the demons.
Only problem: who knows where they are? They could be hovering over your mom.

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who knows where they are? They could be hovering over your mom.

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Could be, could be; afterall, she has rejected the Orthodox Church...
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From what they say, the demons assault the most righteous the most.

So calm down and sin if cold fronts chase you around the garage. You find apparitions addressing you. Maybe lie a few times about your age, that would get you two for one. Perhaps, insult someone.

The demons should then leave you alone and go bother another poor soul trying to walk the straight and narrow.

Really, you should work up to epic battles with the forces of darkness.

I've yet had a demon bother me and I chalk it up to my incredible track record of being a rather miserable excuse for a human.

orthonorm you are so demonically possessed already that I don't think it would matter.
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If there was a demon living in my apartment, I think my first question would be where the rent money is; no one lives here free.

If there were a demon living in your apartment, forget the rent. Leave and call the priest asap.

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Holy water is your friend.

I keep a bottle of it by my bedside with an Icon of St. George over my bed. Can demons enter rooms that have Icons?

Yes, they enter in Church easily so I do not see any issue with them entering a room full of icons.
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I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.


I have heard this advice in almost the exact same way.  People will scoff, but it is a little difficult to scoff at something more than one person experiences at the same time. 
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I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.


I have heard this advice in almost the exact same way.  People will scoff, but it is a little difficult to scoff at something more than one person experiences at the same time. 

I hope a priest can come in here and clarify that for certain, from listening and reading the experiences of the monks with demons, they said that the demons do not pray to God, does that mean they do not cross themselves or say the Lord Prays when you request them to do it as per you do is that one way of nothing for certainty its an evil spirit?.
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I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.


I have heard this advice in almost the exact same way.  People will scoff, but it is a little difficult to scoff at something more than one person experiences at the same time. 

I hope a priest can come in here and clarify that for certain, from listening and reading the experiences of the monks with demons, they said that the demons do not pray to God, does that mean they do not cross themselves or say the Lord Prays when you request them to do it as per you do is that one way of nothing for certainty its an evil spirit?.

I want to say I read it in a book written by Fr. Alexander Schmemann.  For the Life of the World, perhaps.  It read we must challenge any spirit we come across to determine if it was sent by God by simply asking the question up front.  If not, demand it leave.  The book also warned to be extremely cautious when this happens and not to engage evil spirits “in the flesh” of our own ability.  Perhaps someone else can remember where this was written.
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If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?
If ancient aliens didn't exist, how were the demons able to abduct Orthodox Christians?



is such a thing even possible? yes it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSANfVf4-E

Lets not forget David Childress he clearly answers the burning question: what kind of power do you have to have to do that? .....the powers of an extra terristerial!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKXbTJsnH-s (Warning : sexual humor included)
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« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2013, 11:22:19 AM »

If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?
If ancient aliens didn't exist, how were the demons able to abduct Orthodox Christians?



I've never seen this show or a clip of it and have only seen this internet bit here and yet I can't stop laughing everytime someone uses it. I think Nick or someone explained the context to me, but it really doesn't need any.

It might just be the unsignified signifier.

totally hilarious! especialy when the xhexy Giorgio and the melodramatic Childress get going. best cons for the job. their fallacious arguments will melt your brain cells but you will die grinning ear to ear.
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I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.


I have heard this advice in almost the exact same way.  People will scoff, but it is a little difficult to scoff at something more than one person experiences at the same time.  

I hope a priest can come in here and clarify that for certain, from listening and reading the experiences of the monks with demons, they said that the demons do not pray to God, does that mean they do not cross themselves or say the Lord Prays when you request them to do it as per you do is that one way of nothing for certainty its an evil spirit?.

I want to say I read it in a book written by Fr. Alexander Schmemann.  For the Life of the World, perhaps.  It read we must challenge any spirit we come across to determine if it was sent by God by simply asking the question up front.  If not, demand it leave.  The book also warned to be extremely cautious when this happens and not to engage evil spirits “in the flesh” of our own ability.  Perhaps someone else can remember where this was written.

Engaging demons in debate is not recommended. In other words, if a person is being tempted, he should not engage the Tempter. Instead, he should immediately pray the Jesus Prayer.

Just after the feast of the Theophany this year, my husband and I came home to the strong odor of cigar, which was in the middle of our living room. Since we and our neighbors do not smoke cigars, we had no clue from whence it came. However, it was also a very cold mass of air. Thus we both came to the conclusion that it must be evil, so we immediately emptied our new bottle of Holy Water into a new spray bottle, which we dedicated for this purpose, and then we sprayed that Holy Water while making the Sign of the Cross over that smelly mass of air. It immediately dispersed and the room was warm once again.

That incident reminded me of George Burn's movie, Oh God, You Devil.
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« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2013, 03:57:31 PM »

So wait, demons smoke cigars now? You sure it just wasn't my grandfather? Some would say he is evil as well.
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I was given this advice for when I see spirits. Ask them three questions, 1) who they are, 2) who sent them, and 3) what is their purpose. I have been told that an Angel or a positive presence will answer whereas an evil one will not. Having tried this myself, I have found that spirits who used to visit me regularly made their evil intent apparent then vanished once I knew to ask them these things.


I have heard this advice in almost the exact same way.  People will scoff, but it is a little difficult to scoff at something more than one person experiences at the same time. 

I hope a priest can come in here and clarify that for certain, from listening and reading the experiences of the monks with demons, they said that the demons do not pray to God, does that mean they do not cross themselves or say the Lord Prays when you request them to do it as per you do is that one way of nothing for certainty its an evil spirit?.

I want to say I read it in a book written by Fr. Alexander Schmemann.  For the Life of the World, perhaps.  It read we must challenge any spirit we come across to determine if it was sent by God by simply asking the question up front.  If not, demand it leave.  The book also warned to be extremely cautious when this happens and not to engage evil spirits “in the flesh” of our own ability.  Perhaps someone else can remember where this was written.

I personally would not engage, but ignore it. I've read many accounts of good and bad spirits appearing to saints, but never read about them asking questions like that.

I remember hearing that the Lord appeard to a saint once--and it was the Lord, not a demon--and the saint, not trusting appearances, said, "I don't want to see you until I'm dead." The Lord blessed him and disappeared.

in another case with another saint, a demon appeared as an angel to bring good news. The saint said, "There must be some mistake. I'm not worthy that an angel should visit me."
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« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2013, 02:14:20 PM »

Seems plausible. I've come to the conclusion that whatever aliens are they are most likely not interstellar travellers since their modus operandi doesn't match up. A being capable of interstellar travel would not need to abduct people, probe them, creep in the dark, etc. They could see all the workings of a human being from orbit and disappear in plain day light.

Which leaves demons... or highly evolved time travelling frogs from earth's future.
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« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2013, 02:22:18 PM »

A being capable of interstellar travel would not need to abduct people, probe them, creep in the dark, etc. They could see all the workings of a human being from orbit and disappear in plain day light.
You assume that all aliens are from the same planet, or that they all have the same level of technological development.
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« Reply #72 on: February 01, 2013, 02:24:01 PM »

A being capable of interstellar travel would not need to abduct people, probe them, creep in the dark, etc. They could see all the workings of a human being from orbit and disappear in plain day light.
You assume that all aliens are from the same planet, or that they all have the same level of technological development.

Well, it would be like developing quantum computers and never developing the wheel to get to interstellar travel and skip out on basic remote sensing.
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« Reply #73 on: February 01, 2013, 02:27:11 PM »

A being capable of interstellar travel would not need to abduct people, probe them, creep in the dark, etc. They could see all the workings of a human being from orbit and disappear in plain day light.
You assume that all aliens are from the same planet, or that they all have the same level of technological development.

All things considered, God never taught us anything of other life forms on other planets.   I really often do wonder if all these "alien" things are in fact demons.

Now, what about Job?
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« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2013, 02:53:03 PM »

sleep paralysis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

a more likely explanation then alien abduction.
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« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2013, 03:48:50 PM »

sleep paralysis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

a more likely explanation then alien abduction.

Only if the people were sleeping at the time it happens.
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« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2013, 04:01:10 PM »

sleep paralysis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

a more likely explanation then alien abduction.

I posted this in this thread or in another recent one about people having "super"natural experiences.
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« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2013, 04:56:56 PM »

By Archbishop Chrysostomos of Etna
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/alien_abduct.aspx

After reading the article, I'm somewhat getting the gist that the Archbishop was referencing that Aliens were demons, or at least Orthodoxy Abductions by Aliens had some kind of demonic affect.

I'm not sure whether or not to give him credence on the article, or think "what the heck is an Archbishop doing writing about this".

There are documentaries on the subject on youtube about Aliens being demons...

Discuss?

As Abp Chrysostomos mentions, Fr. Seraphim wrote about this in his "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future".  This is a very good book and worth reading not only for his comments on this subject.

These sites appear to have brief excerpts from Fr. Seraphim's book on this subject:

http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4meaningufos.htm

http://philotimo-leventia.blogspot.com/2012/05/christian-interest-in-ufos-by-fr.html

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« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2013, 05:31:53 PM »

sleep paralysis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

a more likely explanation then alien abduction.

Only if the people were sleeping at the time it happens.

And more than one person was doing it at the same time and seeing the exact same thing.  In other words, probably not this.
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« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2013, 05:56:07 PM »

Mass hysteria crowd-mentality? It's not too uncommon when one person freaks out hysterically and then the crowd follows his example and claims to have experienced the same thing. Not sure if it's true or not, but I once read about this one experiment a sociologist did in the former USSR where he chose a random building, stood in front of it, and within a day, something like twenty people were also standing behind him waiting for no reason.
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« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2013, 12:32:25 AM »

Haven't had any little green people or flying saucer experiences, but have known people who have seen strange spacecraft and had experiences.  One is a freemason, one is a neo-pagan witch.  I worked with one guy who had no spiritual practice that I know of, and he had contact with them while driving down the road, if I remember correctly.  I don't know if he was abducted, but his eye had a tiny black circle in the iris after it happened.  He said it wasn't there before it happened.

He would get very agitated whenever the topic was brought up, and would go on and on about it.  He was absolutely convinced what had happened was real.  

It's probably not good stuff to get into, though it is entirely possible there are other sentient, carnal beings in the universe.  

From my own experience, things can look completely real, like a human, but you will know right off the bat that there is something terribly, terribly wrong.  It's probably how an animal feels in a trap when the fur trapper comes towering over them.


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« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2013, 12:47:45 AM »

I was abducted by aliens one time. I asked if I could take their pic and they said no. Something about how they were ok with blurry images back in the day, but that technology was getting too advanced and they were using cloaking devices and allowing no photography now. I really wanted that pic!
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« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2013, 12:50:13 AM »

I was abducted by aliens one time. I asked if I could take their pic and they said no. Something about how they were ok with blurry images back in the day, but that technology was getting too advanced and they were using cloaking devices and allowing no photography now. I really wanted that pic!

Were they hiding their horns and black wings with their big red cloak?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2013, 12:53:10 AM »

Don't be silly! They looked exactly like you'd expect. Apparently someone was able to sneak out with a pic at some point (probably those sneaky camera phone things), because I've seen them on the net. Here is one of them:



EDIT--Ignore the copyright info on the side of the pic, that's just the government trying to cover their tracks...
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« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2013, 01:00:24 AM »

A being capable of interstellar travel would not need to abduct people, probe them, creep in the dark, etc. They could see all the workings of a human being from orbit and disappear in plain day light.
You assume that all aliens are from the same planet, or that they all have the same level of technological development.

All things considered, God never taught us anything of other life forms on other planets.   I really often do wonder if all these "alien" things are in fact demons.

Now, what about Job?

what about him?
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« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2013, 01:09:04 AM »

Mass hysteria crowd-mentality? It's not too uncommon when one person freaks out hysterically and then the crowd follows his example and claims to have experienced the same thing. Not sure if it's true or not, but I once read about this one experiment a sociologist did in the former USSR where he chose a random building, stood in front of it, and within a day, something like twenty people were also standing behind him waiting for no reason.
This is a rather poor example as the two are not the same.
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« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2013, 01:15:20 AM »

Mass hysteria crowd-mentality? It's not too uncommon when one person freaks out hysterically and then the crowd follows his example and claims to have experienced the same thing. Not sure if it's true or not, but I once read about this one experiment a sociologist did in the former USSR where he chose a random building, stood in front of it, and within a day, something like twenty people were also standing behind him waiting for no reason.
This is a rather poor example as the two are not the same.

Mass hysteria crowd mentality is usually an excuse offered when psychiatrists cannot find any reason why several people become sickened.

Usually, to the embarrassment of the psychiatrists, there IS an odorless chemical leak, or some contamination present in the food, soil, or air that sickens the more susceptible individuals who may be atopic allergic or have chemical sensitivities.

So, whenever a shrink says that people are subjected to mass hysteria, I dismiss that claim as quackery. Those doctors should do their homework and really try to find the source of the illness, rather than dismiss it as idiopathic (an idiot of a pathologist).

Now, mass hysteria due to demonic activity probably is possible.
Could the herd of swine [mentioned in the Gospels] be said to become hysterical on their way to the sea where they drowned?
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« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2013, 01:16:12 AM »

I was abducted by aliens one time. I asked if I could take their pic and they said no. Something about how they were ok with blurry images back in the day, but that technology was getting too advanced and they were using cloaking devices and allowing no photography now. I really wanted that pic!

Cloaking devices? Were they Romulans or Klingons? I like Romulans better, but there are some Orthodox liturgical translations into Klingon, making missionary activity a little easier Besides, the Romulans aren't known for steadfastness.
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« Reply #88 on: February 02, 2013, 01:18:55 AM »

Seems plausible. I've come to the conclusion that whatever aliens are they are most likely not interstellar travellers since their modus operandi doesn't match up. A being capable of interstellar travel would not need to abduct people, probe them, creep in the dark, etc. They could see all the workings of a human being from orbit and disappear in plain day light.

Which leaves demons... or highly evolved time travelling frogs from earth's future.

If they are as smart as we expect them to be, then that would be a very smart thing to do, to keep the guinea pigs in the dark for the research, even use a double blind experiment when necessary that's where those in positions of influence come into play. you abduct people probe them and creep in the dark etc because it works to keep a certain order to things you want to continue to study in their normal habitat and echo system. rather than bulldozing their way in. don't u think? hmm.. Smiley
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« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2013, 01:23:21 AM »

Mass hysteria crowd-mentality? It's not too uncommon when one person freaks out hysterically and then the crowd follows his example and claims to have experienced the same thing. Not sure if it's true or not, but I once read about this one experiment a sociologist did in the former USSR where he chose a random building, stood in front of it, and within a day, something like twenty people were also standing behind him waiting for no reason.
This is a rather poor example as the two are not the same.

Mass hysteria crowd mentality is usually an excuse offered when psychiatrists cannot find any reason why several people become sickened.

Usually, to the embarrassment of the psychiatrists, there IS an odorless chemical leak, or some contamination present in the food, soil, or air that sickens the more susceptible individuals who may be atopic allergic or have chemical sensitivities.

So, whenever a shrink says that people are subjected to mass hysteria, I dismiss that claim as quackery. Those doctors should do their homework and really try to find the source of the illness, rather than dismiss it as idiopathic (an idiot of a pathologist).

Now, mass hysteria due to demonic activity probably is possible.
Could the herd of swine [mentioned in the Gospels] be said to become hysterical on their way to the sea where they drowned?

so you are not quite opposed to the possibility of mass hysteria occurring, only to the assigned source, if I have understood you correctly Maria.
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« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2013, 01:26:02 AM »

I was abducted by aliens one time. I asked if I could take their pic and they said no. Something about how they were ok with blurry images back in the day, but that technology was getting too advanced and they were using cloaking devices and allowing no photography now. I really wanted that pic!

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« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2013, 01:29:44 AM »

I was abducted by aliens one time. I asked if I could take their pic and they said no. Something about how they were ok with blurry images back in the day, but that technology was getting too advanced and they were using cloaking devices and allowing no photography now. I really wanted that pic!

lol, only one time?   Wink

Asteriktos chased them away with Holy Water.  Roll Eyes
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From my own experience, things can look completely real, like a human, but you will know right off the bat that there is something terribly, terribly wrong.
....sort of like Mothman.
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lol, only one time?   Wink

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« Reply #94 on: February 02, 2013, 02:17:15 AM »

I'm still pretty sure that I saw my patron about two years ago right when I decided to convert and my dad had relapsed. It was in a dream, we were sitting on a bench, I was crying and he was hugging me telling me it would be okay.
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lol, only one time?   Wink

I'm a very uncomplicated test subject  Cry

Either that or you blew their test instruments apart with your impertinence, but I bet they get that a lot now that every has camera phones and everything on the planet is on FB in two seconds.
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From my own experience, things can look completely real, like a human, but you will know right off the bat that there is something terribly, terribly wrong.
....sort of like Mothman.

I saw that movie years ago, but don't remember exactly what happened in it. 
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« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2013, 02:34:25 AM »

I was abducted by aliens one time. I asked if I could take their pic and they said no. Something about how they were ok with blurry images back in the day, but that technology was getting too advanced and they were using cloaking devices and allowing no photography now. I really wanted that pic!

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Asteriktos chased them away with Holy Water.  Roll Eyes

It does, and prayers.  Haven't had anything happen in my house, only in one other person's house where an old freemason had died, and it just looked at me, went to the window, and said to something outside, "This one isn't like the others."  And then he left.  He looked like a regular guy.  The whole time I just prayed the Psalm, "Let God arise and His enemies be scattered, let those who hate Him flee before His face..."  I found out the name of the old guy, and put him on my prayers for the departed list.

Asteriskos and me, uncomplicated test subjects.  Smiley

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« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2013, 08:43:07 AM »


From my own experience, things can look completely real, like a human, but you will know right off the bat that there is something terribly, terribly wrong.
....sort of like Mothman.

I love that movie!



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« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2013, 09:21:57 AM »


From my own experience, things can look completely real, like a human, but you will know right off the bat that there is something terribly, terribly wrong.
....sort of like Mothman.

I saw that movie years ago, but don't remember exactly what happened in it. 
In that movie, the "Mothman" looked human, but there was something not quite right with him/her/it.
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« Reply #100 on: February 04, 2013, 09:23:51 AM »


From my own experience, things can look completely real, like a human, but you will know right off the bat that there is something terribly, terribly wrong.
....sort of like Mothman.

I love that movie!
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Me, too. Except it scared the crap out of me!
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« Reply #101 on: February 04, 2013, 09:52:56 AM »


From my own experience, things can look completely real, like a human, but you will know right off the bat that there is something terribly, terribly wrong.
....sort of like Mothman.

I love that movie!
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Me, too. Except it scared the crap out of me!

No kidding! My buddy and I saw it in the theater when it first came out. We saw it at night. We were both freaked out afterwards. But my buddy had an interesting theory. He said that the Mothman might be the angel of death.


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« Reply #102 on: February 04, 2013, 10:43:45 AM »

I haven't read pretty much anything in here yet, but could someone tell me if an Ancient-Aliens-hair-man joke or meme has been posted yet?
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« Reply #103 on: February 04, 2013, 11:17:33 AM »

I haven't read pretty much anything in here yet, but could someone tell me if an Ancient-Aliens-hair-man joke or meme has been posted yet?

More of my schtickl you are stealing.
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« Reply #104 on: February 04, 2013, 11:42:20 AM »

I haven't read pretty much anything in here yet, but could someone tell me if an Ancient-Aliens-hair-man joke or meme has been posted yet?

More of my schtickl you are stealing.

Copying and flattery, yo!

But seriously, the topic is kinda boring but I don't want to post and awesome picture like this...



...if it's already been done.  That would just be annoying.
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« Reply #105 on: February 04, 2013, 12:54:45 PM »

I haven't read pretty much anything in here yet, but could someone tell me if an Ancient-Aliens-hair-man joke or meme has been posted yet?

More of my schtickl you are stealing.

Copying and flattery, yo!

But seriously, the topic is kinda boring but I don't want to post and awesome picture like this...



...if it's already been done.  That would just be annoying.

If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?
If ancient aliens didn't exist, how were the demons able to abduct Orthodox Christians?



I've never seen this show or a clip of it and have only seen this internet bit here and yet I can't stop laughing everytime someone uses it. I think Nick or someone explained the context to me, but it really doesn't need any.

It might just be the unsignified signifier.
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« Reply #106 on: February 04, 2013, 01:51:56 PM »

Speaking of freaky movies that deal with UFO's and psychic or supernatural phenomena, "Fire In The Sky" is a great movie. Along with "The Mothman Prophecies," it's my favorite movie of this genre. Even if these movies are highly exaggerated and perhaps deviate from the historical accounts, they still leave you wondering what in the heck really happened. Too bizarre to be attributed merely to hoaxes or to the power of suggestion.



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« Reply #107 on: February 04, 2013, 02:09:59 PM »

I haven't read pretty much anything in here yet, but could someone tell me if an Ancient-Aliens-hair-man joke or meme has been posted yet?

More of my schtickl you are stealing.

Copying and flattery, yo!

But seriously, the topic is kinda boring but I don't want to post and awesome picture like this...



...if it's already been done.  That would just be annoying.

If a demon lacks a physical body, then how could they physically abduct a human?
If ancient aliens didn't exist, how were the demons able to abduct Orthodox Christians?



I've never seen this show or a clip of it and have only seen this internet bit here and yet I can't stop laughing everytime someone uses it. I think Nick or someone explained the context to me, but it really doesn't need any.

It might just be the unsignified signifier.

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« Reply #108 on: February 04, 2013, 04:33:35 PM »

So, being hypothetical, what if aliens were real? And they offered ten humans the opportunity to come live on their home planet? I'd hope that the Orthodox would jump on this opportunity to do Missionary work on their planet, before the Evangelicals took over and polluted their planet.
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« Reply #109 on: February 04, 2013, 05:04:13 PM »

So, being hypothetical, what if aliens were real? And they offered ten humans the opportunity to come live on their home planet? I'd hope that the Orthodox would jump on this opportunity to do Missionary work on their planet, before the Evangelicals took over and polluted their planet.

I have a feeling that if there are aliens out there, they are primitives.  When we run into them we'll just do what we usually do.  Kill off most of them, convert some of them, and study their past a hundred years or so after their civilization if obliterated.  It's easier to admire the dead.
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« Reply #110 on: February 04, 2013, 06:04:24 PM »

So, being hypothetical, what if aliens were real? And they offered ten humans the opportunity to come live on their home planet? I'd hope that the Orthodox would jump on this opportunity to do Missionary work on their planet, before the Evangelicals took over and polluted their planet.

I have a feeling that if there are aliens out there, they are primitives.  When we run into them we'll just do what we usually do.  Kill off most of them, convert some of them, and study their past a hundred years or so after their civilization if obliterated.  It's easier to admire the dead.

I call the first alien-burger. I wonder what they'd taste like.
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« Reply #112 on: August 15, 2013, 02:19:55 AM »

I don't believe in Aliens.

I suppose there could hypothetically be aliens, but the evidence hasn't come out to convince me.

Let alone do I believe they are the same things as demons.

I'm sure that there are many evangelicals that would love to decry ET as the Devil incarnate.

And now I'm hearing this from the Orthodox?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #113 on: August 15, 2013, 03:00:30 AM »


From my own experience, things can look completely real, like a human, but you will know right off the bat that there is something terribly, terribly wrong.
....sort of like Mothman.

o.o

mothman was freaky.. Why would you bring that up.
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« Reply #114 on: August 15, 2013, 04:21:00 AM »

I believe the article. Truth is that there are many "spiritual phenomena" out there and they are very strange, yet most people don't know or are inclined to not believe them. Just like the author said, if the saints experienced all sorts of demonic attacks; and I would add that, in the Bible, in the episode of the plagues, people were able to perform some frightening things through the power of demons, and then St. Cyprian was able to work with the power of satan and do all sorts of things (killing, teleporting people, or whatever he was doing) -- so then these things have always happened and will happen again with God's will and in the way that He wants (according to our times); the spiritual is here, even more than we are aware or we are here ourselves.
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« Reply #115 on: August 15, 2013, 04:52:12 AM »

I don't believe in Aliens.

I suppose there could hypothetically be aliens, but the evidence hasn't come out to convince me.

Let alone do I believe they are the same things as demons.

I'm sure that there are many evangelicals that would love to decry ET as the Devil incarnate.

And now I'm hearing this from the Orthodox?  Roll Eyes
If you, admittedly, do not know what they are or if they even exist, why do you ridicule those who believe in what they could be?
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« Reply #116 on: August 15, 2013, 04:56:14 AM »

I believe the article. Truth is that there are many "spiritual phenomena" out there and they are very strange, yet most people don't know or are inclined to not believe them. Just like the author said, if the saints experienced all sorts of demonic attacks; and I would add that, in the Bible, in the episode of the plagues, people were able to perform some frightening things through the power of demons, and then St. Cyprian was able to work with the power of satan and do all sorts of things (killing, teleporting people, or whatever he was doing) -- so then these things have always happened and will happen again with God's will and in the way that He wants (according to our times); the spiritual is here, even more than we are aware or we are here ourselves.
Like when God changes Aarons staff into a snake and Pharaoh called his wise men and sorcerers who did the same thing?  Both sides had the ability to change their staff into a snake.  One God, one Satan.
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« Reply #117 on: August 15, 2013, 06:02:46 AM »

I don't believe in Aliens.

I suppose there could hypothetically be aliens, but the evidence hasn't come out to convince me.

Let alone do I believe they are the same things as demons.

I'm sure that there are many evangelicals that would love to decry ET as the Devil incarnate.

And now I'm hearing this from the Orthodox?  Roll Eyes

If the Devil is capable of appearing as a brilliant angel to deceive the faithful, what's stopping him from appearing in a form reminiscent of an extraterrestrial being? Especially in this day and age, what with our gaze more firmly pointed at the stars then ever before. It's a veritable gold mine for demonic entrapment.
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« Reply #118 on: August 15, 2013, 03:52:26 PM »

Many fathers believed that Angels had very slim body which was very different from us.
They also believed that the angels which turned to demons had now fat body ( not fatter than us but than other angels.)
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« Reply #119 on: August 15, 2013, 05:21:09 PM »

I have been thinking. Why exactly would the Devil appear in the form of an extraterrestrial, when all the majority of people seem to do, when they hear such stories, is to laugh?

I mean, people might be convinced that we are not alone in the Universe, but how many are actually taking the "I was abducted by aliens" stories seriously? 
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