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« Reply #405 on: February 08, 2013, 08:29:58 PM »

This concern would be more for my son than for me, but man-on-man sexual abuse can happen at any age.

Agreed.  

I can't imagine a fully heterosexual man being able to be gratified by young boys.

This is just such common logic:   Ask yourselves - who is more likely to sexually abuse your son?

A) A married family man with 3 children who has been married for 12 years and one of his children are in your son's troop.

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B) A gay man that lives with his partner with no children.  He just wants to be a scout leader because he likes children.




According to most stuff I've read, the former. Out and openly practicing gay men are less likely to be closeted pedophiles. If you are going to be in the closet, you go all the way.
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« Reply #406 on: February 08, 2013, 08:32:55 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html



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« Reply #407 on: February 08, 2013, 08:37:44 PM »

There are A LOT of Christians that need to read the scriptures.

This is not a subject that should be debated.

God called Men who lay with Men an ABOMINATION.
God called Women who lay with Woman an ABOMINATION.

Not just sinful, but abominable!!!

Do you want somebody who has such a distraught and messed up family, who loves their own sex, will not engage in normal relations as God created us, to be the role model for your son or sons?

Us Christians DO NOT JUDGE homosexual behavior, GOD already did.  When we call homosexual behavior an abomination, we are only repeating what God called it.

No Christian should want their sons role models / mentors / troop leaders to be homosexuals.  End of story.

It is a sin.

But I guess the question to you should be: Do you believe that people who commit that sin should be put to death?

No.

I believe that the New Covenant Christ taught us (by example the adulterous woman) that we should not cast stones at her.  He said 'go now and sin no more' to her.

Now, if a gay person were to repent of their sin and not practice it, okay the doors are open as we all struggle.   But they won't.  They want to be accepted and for us to accept their sin & them living in their sin.

In case you hadn't noticed, the order of events goes:
1.) Crowd brings woman to Jesus, wanting to kill her;
2.) Jesus gets crowd to disperse without harming the woman;
3.) Jesus tells woman to go and sin no more.

It does NOT go:
1.) Crowd brings woman;
2.) Jesus tells woman not to sin, woman says "OK";
3.) Crowd disperses.

Uh huh....

^And he writes in the dust.
^Oldest leave first

I believe that God showed us to forgive people.

What is not included in this story is if the woman continually goes out being adulterous and later gets stoned to death.  We don't know.

God forbids gay relationships.  We can call homosexuality a sin.  They live in sin.   They however do not want to CHANGE their sin or repent of their sin.  They don't even want to struggle with it.  They want us to accept it....

I mean if you'd like to accept it, and if you even have children then you can allow your son to the gay scouts all you want.

For me as a parent with sons in the scout age, the thought of brining them to a homosexual's house who normally do not have children to be a "troop leader" is an absolute outrage.

I don't know if you have children, but anybody without children are only guessing here.  The bond between parent and child is incredibly strong.  I would seriously take a slow agonizing torture filled death for any of my children.  I care for them immensely beyond words.  The sacrifice for children is immeasurable.   Nothing like a close dog - not even in the same ball park.   It's like closer than a parent, brother, grandparent, and cousin combined and multiplied by 50.

So sorry, I could not support the boy scouts sending a gay man to lead my son in his troop.  Now, let's talk about Scout Camp.... wait, let's don't.
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« Reply #408 on: February 08, 2013, 08:39:40 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
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« Reply #409 on: February 08, 2013, 08:41:22 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.

YiM, you have no idea what you are talking about. At least try to read what you responding to before doing so.
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« Reply #410 on: February 08, 2013, 08:42:17 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.
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« Reply #411 on: February 08, 2013, 08:43:28 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html







There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.



You don't have to like anyone. Facts are facts.

There are lots of guys in jail for rape who will tell you that you are wrong. Anyway, they rape not because they think someone is 'attractive' or 'arousing,' but because of the desire for power and the desire to hurt. Many of them also were abused at some point.

Same reason any rapists do that. (Which does not at all justify it; that's just what they say, is all.)
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« Reply #412 on: February 08, 2013, 08:44:12 PM »

This concern would be more for my son than for me, but man-on-man sexual abuse can happen at any age.

Agreed.  

I can't imagine a fully heterosexual man being able to be gratified by young boys.

This is just such common logic:   Ask yourselves - who is more likely to sexually abuse your son?

A) A married family man with 3 children who has been married for 12 years and one of his children are in your son's troop.

-or-

B) A gay man that lives with his partner with no children.  He just wants to be a scout leader because he likes children.




According to most stuff I've read, the former. Out and openly practicing gay men are less likely to be closeted pedophiles. If you are going to be in the closet, you go all the way.

I do not believe in their immoral lifestyle living in sin wanting to be accepted should be deemed a "leader" of a troop.  Scouts by their own books talk about morality.   As a Christian, I do not believe it is a good choice to put them in leadership roles of our children (clergy, teachers, troop leaders)

I can't accept a sin that is an abomination to God.  
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« Reply #413 on: February 08, 2013, 08:46:11 PM »

All sins are abominations to God.

Do you really want to haul out the full list of things in Leviticus, such as eating shrimp and wearing clothing of more than one fabric?
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« Reply #414 on: February 08, 2013, 08:46:42 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.

You would eh?

A 100% straight heterosexual man + getting frisky with a little boy + and the study to prove it!
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« Reply #415 on: February 08, 2013, 08:49:13 PM »

All sins are abominations to God.

Do you really want to haul out the full list of things in Leviticus, such as eating shrimp and wearing clothing of more than one fabric?

Or the list from Paul, where he calls it Vile?

The difference, you repent of sins.
Homosexuals often do not and want their sin accepted.   Often stating "God made me this way". 
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« Reply #416 on: February 08, 2013, 08:51:33 PM »

All sins are abominations to God.

Do you really want to haul out the full list of things in Leviticus, such as eating shrimp and wearing clothing of more than one fabric?

Or the list from Paul, where he calls it Vile?

The difference, you repent of sins.
Homosexuals often do not and want their sin accepted.   Often stating "God made me this way". 

Who is without sin? Who does not struggle with something?

Have you gotten there yet? I sure wish I had.
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« Reply #417 on: February 08, 2013, 08:52:18 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.

You would eh?
Yes, I would. Partly because you have no credibility with me. Partly because I know a hasty generalization when I see one. You are making sweeping generalizations solely from your personal point of view, and that's wrong.

A 100% straight heterosexual man + getting frisky with a little boy + and the study to prove it!
Can you provide proof for your point of view outside of the way you imagine things to be?
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« Reply #418 on: February 08, 2013, 08:57:01 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.

YiM, you have no idea what you are talking about. At least try to read what you responding to before doing so.

You got me.  I don't have time to read it.

As a 100% straight man, I have 5 children and only so much time to argue why homosexuals should not be leading our children.

I will state that any study on pedophiles by the testimony of pedophiles I can't accept.

A 100% straight man will not be aroused by a little boy for any reason whatsoever.  
100% straight men like women.  100% straight men do not want to touch a little boy's junk.

If people disagree... Fine.

But I would not have a gay man being a leader of my son's scout troop.

Now who else has a son in this argument?  I'd like to know how they'd feel about a gay troop leader at scout camp where your son sleeps either in or near their tent.
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« Reply #419 on: February 08, 2013, 09:00:06 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.

You would eh?
Yes, I would. Partly because you have no credibility with me. Partly because I know a hasty generalization when I see one. You are making sweeping generalizations solely from your personal point of view, and that's wrong.

A 100% straight heterosexual man + getting frisky with a little boy + and the study to prove it!
Can you provide proof for your point of view outside of the way you imagine things to be?

I guess you want what a gay or pedophilia study done by the testimony of confirmed pedophiles that say they are straight?  Or prison rapists who say they are straight too?

But then,

Cast off my testimony of being straight.... You know, my imagination... nearly 2 decades of marriage and raising 5 children.  I guess I know nothing.  Let's rely on studies of the testimonies of rapists and pedophiles when they call themselves "straight".   Nice.

Studies....
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« Reply #420 on: February 08, 2013, 09:01:42 PM »

Yeshuaisiam, you are free to believe what you want. It's just that's what the men who have been busted for this stuff usually say about themselves. (For the record - I don't know what the numbers are for women who assault, but I expect they are similar.) Are they lying? Only they know.
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« Reply #421 on: February 08, 2013, 09:02:01 PM »

I wonder. Did Paul have any notion of people who are 'born' with same-sex attractions?

Even if people were “born” this way, it makes no difference.  Just because a person who MAY have been born with a temptation or desire to do something justifies nothing.  It’s a weak excuse.  That, and there is nothing to show people are born homosexual instead of an outside influence pushing them in that direction.  Some people make the choice of their own volition.  It makes no difference what the human reasoning if God said it is wrong.

He seems to be criticizing here, people -- heterosexual -- whose extreme lust has taken them into 'vile affections',
Or just people in general.  

not people whose normal state of attraction is directed towards those of the same sex.
Again, it makes no difference.  Some people’s normal state sends them to prison for violent crimes.
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« Reply #422 on: February 08, 2013, 09:03:20 PM »

I personally don't care if a pedophile or rapist calls themselves "gay" or "straight"...I care that they stay away from anyone who could be hurt by their actions.
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« Reply #423 on: February 08, 2013, 09:04:08 PM »

I personally don't care if a pedophile or rapist calls themselves "gay" or "straight"...I care that they stay away from anyone who could be hurt by their actions.

This.
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« Reply #424 on: February 08, 2013, 09:04:42 PM »

I would withdraw from Boy Scouts if gays were allowed, because I would not want to be exposed to potential or actual pedophiles.
Oy! That canard again. Roll Eyes What connection has ever been shown between homosexuality and pedophilia? Or have you so soon forgotten that the Boy Scouts have had a major problem with pedophilia even in spite of their ban on gays?

Also, homosexuality would violate the "morally straight" provision on the scout oath. It would prevent a Scout from being reverent, because certain religions, such as Orthodox Christianity, do not accept homosexuality as a normal way of life. Accepting gays as Scouts implies accepting the gay way as normal, at least for Scouting.
I can agree with this, though.

I do see an equally evil division between pedophiles who are gay pedophiles and heterosexual pedophiles.
Both equally sick and disturbing.

However, post-pubescent pedophilia draws some differences.

If Joseph was in his mid 20's and Mary was 14-15, these ages were accepted at this time and would have got Joseph 20 years today.

If Jimmy was in his mid 20's and Marty was 14-15 (in the time of Christ), he would have got stoned then and 20 years today.

The result of this is that gay pedophilia by our definition today (a man at 26 and teen at 15) is equally illegal.  But prior to the 2nd covenant he would have been stoned or put to death.

I don't know who is included when you say "our definition," but this is not the psychological or psychiatric definition of pedophilia.

The psychiatric definition of homosexuality changed recently.  Now what?
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« Reply #425 on: February 08, 2013, 09:05:52 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.

An as a 100% gay man I can equally state that I cannot imagine ever being aroused by small children.  Therefore, based on your logic, neither gay nor straight men can be pedophiles.
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Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





When women want to be troop leaders for boys and men want to be troop leaders for girls, this may come in handy.
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« Reply #427 on: February 08, 2013, 09:12:06 PM »

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Fixed that for you.
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« Reply #428 on: February 08, 2013, 09:12:09 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.

I hold them in the same light.  The "study" is not bilateral.  It pushes for one view only.  When your study refers to “most peoples” opinions, it’s a bad study.
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« Reply #429 on: February 08, 2013, 09:13:24 PM »

There are lots of guys in jail...who will tell you that you are wrong.
And you believe them based on their character and trustworthiness, yes?

Anyway, they rape not because they think someone is 'attractive' or 'arousing,' but because of the desire for power and the desire to hurt. Many of them also were abused at some point.

Same reason any rapists do that. (Which does not at all justify it; that's just what they say, is all.)

Not really.  Two different reasons to take action.  Two different mind sets.  Two different personalities.  Two different crime categories.  Different in almost every way.  This is like comparing a car accident to a NASCAR crash.
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« Reply #430 on: February 08, 2013, 09:15:18 PM »

This brings up an interesting question; if we don't want homosexual men working in the Boy Scouts due to the sexual-attraction element, how would we feel about a woman working in the Boy Scouts? Women too are sexually attracted to males, yet, for some reason I doubt that most of us would be as worried about a woman being around our male children as we would a homosexual man being around them. Just goes to show how the homosexual man has been so stigmatized in society.
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« Reply #431 on: February 08, 2013, 09:16:38 PM »

All sins are abominations to God.

Do you really want to haul out the full list of things in Leviticus, such as eating shrimp and wearing clothing of more than one fabric?

Dead horse...we beat (pun intended) you to it.
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« Reply #432 on: February 08, 2013, 09:18:13 PM »

This brings up an interesting question; if we don't want homosexual men working in the Boy Scouts due to the sexual-attraction element, how would we feel about a woman working in the Boy Scouts? Women too are sexually attracted to males, yet, for some reason I doubt that most of us would be as worried about a woman being around our male children as we would a homosexual man being around them. Just goes to show how the homosexual man has been so stigmatized in society.

I think there have been Den Mothers. There is, or was, a system called the buddy system, where they would never leave a child alone with an adult one-on-one. The kids were taught to bring another kid wherever they went, including on a walk to the restroom. In case anything bad happened, there was always someone to get help. Scary to think about, but these days I guess we have to.
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« Reply #433 on: February 08, 2013, 09:18:30 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.

You would eh?
Yes, I would. Partly because you have no credibility with me. Partly because I know a hasty generalization when I see one. You are making sweeping generalizations solely from your personal point of view, and that's wrong.

A 100% straight heterosexual man + getting frisky with a little boy + and the study to prove it!
Can you provide proof for your point of view outside of the way you imagine things to be?

I guess you want what a gay or pedophilia study done by the testimony of confirmed pedophiles that say they are straight?  Or prison rapists who say they are straight too?

But then,

Cast off my testimony of being straight.... You know, my imagination... nearly 2 decades of marriage and raising 5 children.  I guess I know nothing.
No, you only know your own experience, which has value in and of itself in its own realm, but compared to a broader study, your experience is nothing more than anecdotal "evidence", which is not a sound basis for any kind of generalization.

Let's rely on studies of the testimonies of rapists and pedophiles when they call themselves "straight".   Nice.

Studies....
Again, more believable than you.
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« Reply #434 on: February 08, 2013, 09:18:41 PM »

All sins are abominations to God.

Do you really want to haul out the full list of things in Leviticus, such as eating shrimp and wearing clothing of more than one fabric?

Or the list from Paul, where he calls it Vile?

The difference, you repent of sins.
Homosexuals often do not and want their sin accepted.   Often stating "God made me this way". 

Who is without sin? Who does not struggle with something?

Have you gotten there yet? I sure wish I had.

I am not certain what your point is here.  Could you clarify?  What it sounds like, to me, is no one is perfect so don’t call out any wrongs in this world.  I know that couldn’t be what you mean.
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« Reply #435 on: February 08, 2013, 09:20:03 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.

You would eh?
Yes, I would. Partly because you have no credibility with me. Partly because I know a hasty generalization when I see one. You are making sweeping generalizations solely from your personal point of view, and that's wrong.

But, is this not what the majority of what the posts about this subject are based on?  Personal opinion?  What I mean is, I can find a "study" to "prove" anything.  The rationalization for that is all based on personal motivation.
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« Reply #436 on: February 08, 2013, 09:21:44 PM »

If you expect to find anybody, even us straights, who has no sin, you never will. If one thinks that all gay people want to attack children, well, that is pretty ridiculous.
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« Reply #437 on: February 08, 2013, 09:23:16 PM »

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The psychiatric definition of homosexuality changed decades ago.

Fixed that for you.

No, you didn't.
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« Reply #438 on: February 08, 2013, 09:25:12 PM »

This brings up an interesting question; if we don't want homosexual men working in the Boy Scouts due to the sexual-attraction element, how would we feel about a woman working in the Boy Scouts?

Same response.  No.

Women too are sexually attracted to males, yet, for some reason I doubt that most of us would be as worried about a woman being around our male children as we would a homosexual man being around them.

That is an incorrect assumption.

Just goes to show how the homosexual man has been so stigmatized in society.

So has the white, conservative, Christian man. 
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« Reply #439 on: February 08, 2013, 09:25:25 PM »

Well, 'strue anyway. You can even get the DSM out of the library. It makes for very interesting reading.
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« Reply #440 on: February 08, 2013, 09:26:39 PM »

If you expect to find anybody, even us straights, who has no sin, you never will. If one thinks that all gay people want to attack children, well, that is pretty ridiculous.

I agree on both points, but what does it have to do with your response to him? 
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« Reply #441 on: February 08, 2013, 09:27:24 PM »

This brings up an interesting question; if we don't want homosexual men working in the Boy Scouts due to the sexual-attraction element, how would we feel about a woman working in the Boy Scouts? Women too are sexually attracted to males, yet, for some reason I doubt that most of us would be as worried about a woman being around our male children as we would a homosexual man being around them. Just goes to show how the homosexual man has been so stigmatized in society.

I think there have been Den Mothers. There is, or was, a system called the buddy system, where they would never leave a child alone with an adult one-on-one. The kids were taught to bring another kid wherever they went, including on a walk to the restroom. In case anything bad happened, there was always someone to get help. Scary to think about, but these days I guess we have to.

There have been, and yes, even female Scoutmasters as well.

Also, from the leader side, as a protection, we have something called two deep leadership, where one on one contact with scouts is to be avoided, always having another adult/adult leader in the room with us, so accusations can not be dreamed up against leaders, and as a safety against abuse of the children.

For exactly what we as Scout leaders, and even Scouts do, here is a link to the training video, and you can even take our training yourself to know exactly what is done here. http://www.scouting.org/Training/YouthProtection.aspx and yes, it is free. it is Youth Protection Training(YPT)
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« Reply #442 on: February 08, 2013, 09:27:44 PM »

Well, 'strue anyway. You can even get the DSM out of the library. It makes for very interesting reading.

30 years is pretty recent.  I suppose it depends on your point of view.
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« Reply #443 on: February 08, 2013, 09:27:55 PM »

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So has the white, conservative, Christian man. 


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« Reply #444 on: February 08, 2013, 09:28:33 PM »

Well, 'strue anyway. You can even get the DSM out of the library. It makes for very interesting reading.

30 years is pretty recent.  I suppose it depends on your point of view.

No, it's a pretty big book written by professionals. It depends on them.
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« Reply #445 on: February 08, 2013, 09:29:18 PM »

And re what Kerdy has said, while it is done and I know it has, and wont change, BSA should be male only, at the very least, on the troop level and in the Boy Scouts in specific. Venturing/sea scouts, okay, but not in BSA or, to an even extent, Cub Scouts. And yes, i feel the same about only women in girl scouts, no males there either, in the same way
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« Reply #446 on: February 08, 2013, 09:29:25 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.

You would eh?
Yes, I would. Partly because you have no credibility with me. Partly because I know a hasty generalization when I see one. You are making sweeping generalizations solely from your personal point of view, and that's wrong.

But, is this not what the majority of what the posts about this subject are based on?  Personal opinion?  What I mean is, I can find a "study" to "prove" anything.  The rationalization for that is all based on personal motivation.
You do realize that I'm not recognizing that studies have any serious credibility in and of themselves? I just recognize that what little credibility they do have is greater than the zero credibility yeshuaisiam has with me. You could also say it this way: What little credibility studies do have with me, which isn't much, yeshuaisiam has even less, since he's making gross generalizations from nothing more than his own personal experience.
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« Reply #447 on: February 08, 2013, 09:31:31 PM »

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So has the white, conservative, Christian man. 


 Cheesy



Again, what is the point being made here other than ridiculous posturing?
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« Reply #448 on: February 08, 2013, 09:32:10 PM »

Well, 'strue anyway. You can even get the DSM out of the library. It makes for very interesting reading.

30 years is pretty recent.  I suppose it depends on your point of view.

No, it's a pretty big book written by professionals. It depends on them.

We are having two different conversations here.  I will stop and let you have yours.
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« Reply #449 on: February 08, 2013, 09:33:29 PM »

Statistically speaking, in the U.S. at least, more pedophiles self-identify as straight.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html





Heh, as a 100% straight man, I fully disagree.

There is no way that a man who is heterosexual could look at a little boy even in domination and be aroused.

ah well, their study.  Like their rainbow graphic on the top too.
I would take a study over your self-based speculation any day of the week.

You would eh?
Yes, I would. Partly because you have no credibility with me. Partly because I know a hasty generalization when I see one. You are making sweeping generalizations solely from your personal point of view, and that's wrong.

But, is this not what the majority of what the posts about this subject are based on?  Personal opinion?  What I mean is, I can find a "study" to "prove" anything.  The rationalization for that is all based on personal motivation.
You do realize that I'm not recognizing that studies have any serious credibility in and of themselves? I just recognize that what little credibility they do have is greater than the zero credibility yeshuaisiam has with me. You could also say it this way: What little credibility studies do have with me, which isn't much, yeshuaisiam has even less, since he's making gross generalizations from nothing more than his own personal experience.

I understand.  Thanks for explaining. Smiley
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